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Old 02-13-2008, 06:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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That civic is pretty amazing but i have one bone to pick with Hondas what the freak is up with the interference motors? My wife used to have a 1993 honda civic that was meticulously cared for from day one (her parents bought it new) with all maintenance done at dealer when all of a sudden at 112k timing belt goes and so does the motor, give me non interferance and timing chains if possible.
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Old 02-13-2008, 08:45 PM   #27 (permalink)
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well...that belt is only rated for 90k...so your bad dude...

Japanesse cram every ounce of power they can out of their tiny motors thats why...

chains can still break too...
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:12 PM   #29 (permalink)
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22r and 22re Toyota

232, 258, 4.0l AMC/jeep

Any Small block chevy

Old VW bug motors

318 360 Dodge

225 Slant six dodge

Ford 300 six

Those would be my picks but I will admit I am pretty ignorant to import motors other than some toyota motors
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I would say the 22R(E), the VW bug engine & the Ford 300. I've had the Toy & Ford. Both great engines.
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what the freak is up with the interference motors? .

i agree if they are going to belt the motor it should be non-interferance (like most yotas!)
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Honda - basically any of the F, B, and H series engines. Those thing are bullet proof.
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22re, or the F22 motor out of the 90-93 honda accord - they'll run forever - also, the 4banger out of the old Volvo 240's and 245 are said to run to 500-600K.
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22re - I know a lot of them where people neglect them and they still run like they're new.
Honda D16xx, - a lot of them burn oil because people beat so hard on them, but when taken care of will last forever ^^^^

5VZ-FE - my T100 has 190,000 on it and runs excellent, and I do a lot of short driving when I'm at home.
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225 Slant six dodge
I'm surprised no one else said this. We had a forklift which we bought used and when I changed the oil on it I drained about 1.5 quarts of sludge from the pan. I thought the oil pressure gauge was broke because it never moved. Filled it with oil, and bam! oil pressure. Pretty solid engine.
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Can only tell you my own experience.

My Rx7 13b rotary. Seems to be unbreakable. I've been spoiled by it as I compare everything to it. It just works... and continues to work.
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i thought rotarys need rebuilds every 100000 miles.

and my vote would be the 3.4 v6 its only been out for around 13 years so people havent really gotten above 300 thousand with this engine yet but it will
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I was going to say most inline 6s. They just run forever.

I've seen a lot of Ford 300s with lots of miles.

Also I have no idea how many miles were actully on the 258 in my CJ5 but they'll run forever with just regualr mataince.
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i thought rotarys need rebuilds every 100000 miles.
160k with zero done except spark plugs... once. Could have regapped them.

I think a lot of "rebuilds' are a result of sticking apex seals. Very simple to avoid. Switch to an oil like Rotella T, or any good synthtic detergent oil. When they stick it seems like engine failure. Which it is not. The spring-loaded seals will stick if gunked up. I had the problem once about 10 years ago. Switched to Rotella T. Engine has been perfect. Only vehicle I have that can drive almost everywhere in second gear. Because of an enormous torque range.

And rebuild is simple and cheap... should you actually need it. 4 moving parts.

If you like to race... it is the way to get into it with absolute minimum expense.

I don't get why they aren't used in more light planes.

I don't show mine below since its not so relevant to this forum.

Sorry for the diversion... but the question was reliability.
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TY-out of all the post i agree with you the most

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22r and 22re Toyota

232, 258, 4.0l AMC/jeep--if only the rest of the jeep was built right

Any Small block chevy--Slightly disagree they had there problems also

Old VW bug motors--this was a good motor as long as it didnt get to hot

318 360 Dodge--this was another good reliable motor--i give it s "B"

225 Slant six dodge--If memory serves me correctly--this was voted as the most reliable motor ever. Reports of this motor having 800K on the odo--google it and you will see

Ford 300 six

Those would be my picks but I will admit I am pretty ignorant to import motors other than some toyota motors
AND last but not least--the Old Volvo 4bangers--those things just kepts going and goinng and......
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and i forgot the Nissan 2.4 liter 4 banger

--Benz 240d--i know it is diesel but i coulnt help it
--And though BMWs have little problems all the time--There chassis and motors seem to go forever.

When Cali came out with the crazy smog laws--all the old cars quickly left the streets becuase they had high Hydro Carbons--Benzs and BMW were unreliable but they passed smog when they "were" running
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately as I'm constantly searching for a winter beater to replace my 86 4Runner when it croaks.

My criteria are simple. When looking at a car with 200k+ miles and not knowing any maintenance history, what engines do I trust to likely go another 100k with no major repairs/maintenance (plugs, wires, starter, sensor here and there, valve adjustments, water pump are acceptable).

There are a lot of 'reliable' engines that given the proper maintenance can have a very long life. But not knowing the vehicle history eliminates a lot of engines that are needy.
22RE - Head gaskets at ~200k and timing chain
Subaru 2.2 - Head gaskets
Any engine with a timing belt.
SBC 5.7 Vortec - intake manifold gasket
SBC LT1 - Optispark
Ford Modular V8's - spark plug threads in heads (and other problems???)
Toyota car V6's - sludge
GM 3.4 V6 - intake manifold gasket

Even though all of the above are great high mileage units, I had to take them off my list. The only engines that remained on were

SBC 5.7 TBI
SBC LSX variants
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Ford I6 (fuel injected)
Nissan VQ (haven't dug into the details on this one, but they seem to have a good rep)
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i'm going STEAM on my next build. j/k
to be honest, my 5vzfe in the 4runner has been the most reliable of all the cars i've owned, and i had two 22re celicas with head gaskets go at around 110k. not to say they weren't reliable up until then, but the broke down at about the exact same mileage. i guess you could say that part was reliable since on the second one i was waiting for it to happen
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the F22 motor out of the 90-93 honda accord - they'll run forever - .
I had a 93 Accord with the F22, it had 320k on it. I sold it for $500 and it still ran great. Original clutch too. Only problem we had was the camshaft was bad so we put a junkyard one on and kept on driving.


I hope the 350 Chevy is reliable. I'm putting it in my 88 4Runner! It came from my brothers 76 Blazer, and that motor came from a 78 Nova!

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I'll vote for the 22r and 4.3 chevy as well.

when I sold my '84 the origonal 22r had 408K kms on it, the last 200K of which were very hard and it never needed to be opened up.

my family have also had a bunch of 4.3's in work trucks that went 450K plus without work
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I wonder if that civic has rolled over yet?
Tough to tell. The date on the picture is 9/6/07 so maybe not yet.

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I drove an '86 Cherokee w/ the 2.8 V6 and it had about 250,000 on it but I had to work on it quite a bit.
General Motors 2.8 liter in a Jeep, or was it the Chrysler 2.8?
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GM 2.8...
You're kidding right... Worst motor ever.

The old Toyota 4.2 I6 out of the FJ40's (having a brain fart on the series of the motor) might be right there with the 22RE. The FJ45 Farm truck we had in Oz was looking at the downhill side of the 450K mountain, and it had had about as hard a life as any engine I can think of. We never had to fix a thing on it. It was loud,and rough, but it just would not die.

I agree about the 1300cc VW though, hands down one of the most relaible ever. I've also heard that Pinto motors were legendary and that you almost can't kill them. Any validity to that??

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I agree about the 1300cc VW though, hands down one of the most relaible ever. I've also heard that Pinto motors were legendary and that you almost can't kill them. Any validity to that??

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