Diff and locker questions. - Page 2

muddpigg · 10-30-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottsolinko

If your not doing any rock crawling don't bother with the 4.7's. if your not doing rocks or mud, do you need a locker? have you needed one yet? im just saying, if you don't need it, send it to me

Come on over an wheel this side of the country. Bet you'll rethink this statement.

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scottsolinko · 10-30-2009, 12:58 PM

Maybe, but he said he wasn't going to be doing any major rock crawling, so I figure the money for 4.7s would be better spent else where. But IDK, I have yet to 4x4 out there. Your rocks are more boulder field from what I understand, so ya the lockers would be good.

Lumpy · 10-30-2009, 01:00 PM

if it were me...Lock then gear. But that's me.

2DoorRunner · 10-30-2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottsolinko

If your not doing any rock crawling don't bother with the 4.7's. if your not doing rocks or mud, do you need a locker? have you needed one yet? im just saying, if you don't need it, send it to me

Yeah the 470s were for the 33s. But since im sticking with 31s im not doing anything to gearing. And a locker is pretty much an essential to offroading. And an aussie locker is pretty cheap.

yoder519 · 10-31-2009, 11:18 AM

noooooooooooo. get 33s!!!!!!! i msure you could find someone that would swap you some stock wheels for your aftermarket ones. i think you should-33x10.50s/stock wheels, dont regear you already got 4.56s, and throw a locker in the rear, the mayeb save up some money after the holidays and get your armor, but thats jsut me

2DoorRunner · 10-31-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoder519

noooooooooooo. get 33s!!!!!!! i msure you could find someone that would swap you some stock wheels for your aftermarket ones. i think you should-33x10.50s/stock wheels, dont regear you already got 4.56s, and throw a locker in the rear, the mayeb save up some money after the holidays and get your armor, but thats jsut me

Do they really make that big of a deal for off road? or are you only saying that because they look way better?

BLKNBLU · 10-31-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 2DoorRunner

Do they really make that big of a deal for off road? or are you only saying that because they look way better?

33's are nice but you don't "need" them. Lockers and armor first.

http://www.yotatech.com/f100/az-mart...5-07-a-132481/
Here is an example of what I could do with 31's, armor, and a rear locker. Yes the skid plates took a beating, but with good line selection and tire placement look at the trucks I was hanging with.

BLKNBLU · 10-31-2009, 03:31 PM

Here is your Aussie
http://www.aussielocker.com/item.php...0/320002/.html

More wheeling on 31's
http://www.yotatech.com/f100/elvis-u...3-08-a-138327/

Haven't been to the Aussie site in quite a while. I see they finally have the V6 locker.

2DoorRunner · 11-02-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLKNBLU

Here is your Aussie
http://www.aussielocker.com/item.php...0/320002/.html

More wheeling on 31's
http://www.yotatech.com/f100/elvis-u...3-08-a-138327/

Haven't been to the Aussie site in quite a while. I see they finally have the V6 locker.

That isnt the right one i dont think, it only goes untill 89s and mines a 90. I think i just need one of the pick up ones. And do i need the 7.5 or 8 inch one? Anyone?

Mudd Duck 1 · 11-02-2009, 09:30 PM

Go 33's they look bad @$$!!!!!! haha but i wouldn't regear im runnin 4:30's or there about with some 33x13.50 toyo mt's no prob also wanna locker? I got a new detroit locker never installed sittin in my shop $275 plus shipping jus thought i would throw that one out there it hasn't moved on craigslist just a bunch of looky loos haha anyway it may work heres the link http://bend.craigslist.org/pts/1444945273.html

2DoorRunner · 11-02-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudd Duck 1

Go 33's they look bad @$$!!!!!! haha but i wouldn't regear im runnin 4:30's or there about with some 33x13.50 toyo mt's no prob also wanna locker? I got a new detroit locker never installed sittin in my shop $275 plus shipping jus thought i would throw that one out there it hasn't moved on craigslist just a bunch of looky loos haha anyway it may work heres the link http://bend.craigslist.org/pts/1444945273.html

Oh sweet! Yeah i would totally go for that. You would have to wait untill like december though. I need to save up some money, then its a deal.
But i also need someone to confirm that your detroit locker will work for my 4runner. If you are willing to hold on to it for a bit, then i will defanitly get it.

And im still keeping an eye out for some steelies with stock backspacing so i can run 33s.

Thanks for helping me out mudd duck.

Oh, and how much is shipping to 98036?

2DoorRunner · 11-02-2009, 09:49 PM

Can anyone tell me if mudd ducks detroit locker will work in my 4rnr? I dont see why it wouldnt, but my parents would be pissed if i got the wrong thing.

muddpigg · 11-02-2009, 09:54 PM

I don't rock crawl anymore than what's on the trails. I like trail wheeling. If I was going to do it again, I'd've pony'd up for dual stock case before I went to 4:70. Just for the gear options. But at the time I wasn't able to do some of the other mods needed to run duals on a short wheel base. But now that I have 2:28 and 4:70 I don't know how I ever did with out them. I don't care to wheel by throttle with the combination of gears, suspension, lockers, and armor the 4rnr is very capable. Some of the trails get pretty rough especial where big tires and horse power were used. But I just gear the 22re through the same places

It really upsets the horsepower guys when they get behind me, but oh well have felt the same when I've had to wait and wait for them to throttle through.

muddpigg · 11-02-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2DoorRunner

Can anyone tell me if mudd ducks detroit locker will work in my 4rnr? I dont see why it wouldnt, but my parents would be pissed if i got the wrong thing.

get the part number from him and cross reference it with the detroit catalog or Randy's ring and pinion or marlins, or.... But also search for what is need to install a detroit. It's different than an Aussie/locrite but I hear they are awesome.

muddpigg · 11-02-2009, 10:02 PM

http://www.nw-wheelers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44342

You'll need to do some searching to see if its something you can use but its a good price.

2DoorRunner · 11-02-2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudd Duck 1

Go 33's they look bad @$$!!!!!! haha but i wouldn't regear im runnin 4:30's or there about with some 33x13.50 toyo mt's no prob also wanna locker? I got a new detroit locker never installed sittin in my shop $275 plus shipping jus thought i would throw that one out there it hasn't moved on craigslist just a bunch of looky loos haha anyway it may work heres the link http://bend.craigslist.org/pts/1444945273.html

muddpig had a good idea, could you get me the part number?

BLKNBLU · 11-03-2009, 04:46 AM

Ditto on getting the part # and checking against Detroits site. I assume you want the locker in the rear in which case you want the 8 inch/30 spline model. Mudd Duck 1 has 27 spline listed in his ad so you need to make really really sure about it. It's an awesome deal if it will work, but I'm afraid it isn't what you want. Check it out though.

The Aussie I listed is the right one though I did list the up to '89 4runner listing. You have a 4 cylinder non turbo so you need part # XD-20830 regardless if its listed as 84-89 runner or 79-95 truck etc.

Look again, click any 8 inch non V6 locker and you will get the same part #
http://www.aussielocker.com/make.php.../ee4f/20/.html

The fronts are the 7.5 inch/27 spline (also 2wd rear). Aussie didn't have a part for 6 cyl/turbo 4cyl until recently. Those diffs are different with larger bearings which changes the locker size. They won't work for you. If in doubt, contact Aussie. They will fix you up.

2DoorRunner · 11-03-2009, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLKNBLU

Ditto on getting the part # and checking against Detroits site. I assume you want the locker in the rear in which case you want the 8 inch/30 spline model. Mudd Duck 1 has 27 spline listed in his ad so you need to make really really sure about it. It's an awesome deal if it will work, but I'm afraid it isn't what you want. Check it out though.

The Aussie I listed is the right one though I did list the up to '89 4runner listing. You have a 4 cylinder non turbo so you need part # XD-20830 regardless if its listed as 84-89 runner or 79-95 truck etc.

Look again, click any 8 inch non V6 locker and you will get the same part #
http://www.aussielocker.com/make.php.../ee4f/20/.html

The fronts are the 7.5 inch/27 spline (also 2wd rear). Aussie didn't have a part for 6 cyl/turbo 4cyl until recently. Those diffs are different with larger bearings which changes the locker size. They won't work for you. If in doubt, contact Aussie. They will fix you up.

Thanks blu, thats exactly what i needed. I did a little research and found a site that has the history of 4runners, it confirms hat 1990s use the same diff as 86-89s. Hopefully i will be ordering up an aussie soon.

And sorry muddduck, your locker turns out not to be what i was really looking for. Good luck on the sale, and i will let you know if i find somebody that will buy it.

Mudd Duck 1 · 11-03-2009, 06:44 PM

alright no prob thought i would offer also if anyone's interested i have an extra sr5 instrument cluster $50 shipped has trip odometer with tach, temp, gas, oil, and battery came out of a v6 i believe it was a 90 4runner 230102 miles

Mudd Duck 1 · 11-03-2009, 06:47 PM

also anyone else interested in that locker lemme know it was originally going to be used in my dad's 91 pick up with a 4 banger

by the way the locker is a detroit locker installed in a toyota carrier just pull your 3rd member pop it in and your good to go

BLKNBLU · 11-03-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudd Duck 1

also anyone else interested in that locker lemme know it was originally going to be used in my dad's 91 pick up with a 4 banger

by the way the locker is a detroit locker installed in a toyota carrier just pull your 3rd member pop it in and your good to go

The part # would go a long way toward getting that locker sold. And dang it on the cluster. I need the previous style.

2DoorRunner · 11-03-2009, 07:00 PM

I would get the cluster, but mines in km, and i sort of like people thinking im going 100mph on the freeway. When pigs fly

Mudd Duck 1 · 11-03-2009, 08:03 PM

i also have the basic cluster that is just a speedo with gas and maybe temp not really sure if thats what your referring to BLKNBLU. probably not? are you talkin you need it for an 80's vehicle? and the km thing is cool the only prob on the locker is i don't know the part number and neither does my dad who originally was going to use it i just know its good for 4 cylinder pick ups with 27 spline rear ends i don't know about 4runners though

BLKNBLU · 11-03-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudd Duck 1

i also have the basic cluster that is just a speedo with gas and maybe temp not really sure if thats what your referring to BLKNBLU. probably not? are you talkin you need it for an 80's vehicle? and the km thing is cool the only prob on the locker is i don't know the part number and neither does my dad who originally was going to use it i just know its good for 4 cylinder pick ups with 27 spline rear ends i don't know about 4runners though

Yeah, I meant that I need (want) one for 84-89 4runner.

On the locker, is/was your Dad's truck a 2wd? If yes, you are correct that it should be a 27 spline 7.5 inch. I'll have to doublecheck before I post whether or not it will fit in an IFS front. I think yes, but I'll doublecheck.

BLKNBLU · 11-03-2009, 09:00 PM

Right, so I poked around Eaton's site and they don't list an application for a Detroit locker for the 7.5 inch at all. After re-visiting muddduck's ad it looks like a Lockrite/aussie/detroit ez locker in a Toyota carrier. So Muddduck, yes it is made by Eaton/Detroit but it is not what most folks mean when they refer to a Detroit Locker. A true Detroit replaces the entire carrier. The ez locker is a "lunchbox" style similar to the lockrite by Richmond or the Aussie by Torq masters. If that is the case, your price is not really that great. They are $269 new, granted yours is already installed in a carrier so there is value in that. Check me out on all this, also see if you can spy the part #811A017 anywhere on it. Good luck.

10-31-2009, 11:18 AM	#30 (permalink)
yoder519 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: virginia Posts: 1,006	noooooooooooo. get 33s!!!!!!! i msure you could find someone that would swap you some stock wheels for your aftermarket ones. i think you should-33x10.50s/stock wheels, dont regear you already got 4.56s, and throw a locker in the rear, the mayeb save up some money after the holidays and get your armor, but thats jsut me __________________ Sold&Missed 95 Yota pu 22RE/33x12.50 Maxxis Buckshot Mudders/TG Sliders/4Crawler 2in BL//TG Diff Breather/Herculined Floorboard/Magnaflow Hi-Flow Cat/2.25" Exhaust/Glasspack/Procomp black steelies/Procomp shocks/Superlift 2" AALs/4 Crawler 1.5" BJers 1998 Dodge Cummins 24V 4x4 5spd/Quad Arenaline/4in Exhaust/6in Tip/AFE Intake

10-31-2009, 03:31 PM	#33 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,668	Here is your Aussie http://www.aussielocker.com/item.php...0/320002/.html More wheeling on 31's http://www.yotatech.com/f100/elvis-u...3-08-a-138327/ Haven't been to the Aussie site in quite a while. I see they finally have the V6 locker. __________________ 86 4Runner, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, rear Lockright, SAS w/ARB My build thread. http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-s-sac-155872/

11-02-2009, 09:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
Mudd Duck 1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: oregon Posts: 38	Go 33's they look bad @$$!!!!!! haha but i wouldn't regear im runnin 4:30's or there about with some 33x13.50 toyo mt's no prob also wanna locker? I got a new detroit locker never installed sittin in my shop $275 plus shipping jus thought i would throw that one out there it hasn't moved on craigslist just a bunch of looky loos haha anyway it may work heres the link http://bend.craigslist.org/pts/1444945273.html __________________ 95 4Runner, SR5, 3.0, 5 speed, 4 inch Sky Jacker, 33-13.50-15 Toyo MT's, Detroit True Lock, Smitty Built tube bumper, More to come including 3.4 swap

11-02-2009, 09:54 PM	#38 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,395	I don't rock crawl anymore than what's on the trails. I like trail wheeling. If I was going to do it again, I'd've pony'd up for dual stock case before I went to 4:70. Just for the gear options. But at the time I wasn't able to do some of the other mods needed to run duals on a short wheel base. But now that I have 2:28 and 4:70 I don't know how I ever did with out them. I don't care to wheel by throttle with the combination of gears, suspension, lockers, and armor the 4rnr is very capable. Some of the trails get pretty rough especial where big tires and horse power were used. But I just gear the 22re through the same places It really upsets the horsepower guys when they get behind me, but oh well have felt the same when I've had to wait and wait for them to throttle through. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY Balljoints for sale. Open to trades and offers. http://www.yotatech.com/f11/ball-joi.../#post51278784

11-02-2009, 10:02 PM	#40 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,395	http://www.nw-wheelers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44342 You'll need to do some searching to see if its something you can use but its a good price. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY Balljoints for sale. Open to trades and offers. http://www.yotatech.com/f11/ball-joi.../#post51278784

10-30-2009, 12:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
scottsolinko Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Logan, UT Posts: 13	Maybe, but he said he wasn't going to be doing any major rock crawling, so I figure the money for 4.7s would be better spent else where. But IDK, I have yet to 4x4 out there. Your rocks are more boulder field from what I understand, so ya the lockers would be good.

11-03-2009, 04:46 AM	#42 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,668	Ditto on getting the part # and checking against Detroits site. I assume you want the locker in the rear in which case you want the 8 inch/30 spline model. Mudd Duck 1 has 27 spline listed in his ad so you need to make really really sure about it. It's an awesome deal if it will work, but I'm afraid it isn't what you want. Check it out though. The Aussie I listed is the right one though I did list the up to '89 4runner listing. You have a 4 cylinder non turbo so you need part # XD-20830 regardless if its listed as 84-89 runner or 79-95 truck etc. Look again, click any 8 inch non V6 locker and you will get the same part # http://www.aussielocker.com/make.php.../ee4f/20/.html The fronts are the 7.5 inch/27 spline (also 2wd rear). Aussie didn't have a part for 6 cyl/turbo 4cyl until recently. Those diffs are different with larger bearings which changes the locker size. They won't work for you. If in doubt, contact Aussie. They will fix you up. __________________ 86 4Runner, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, rear Lockright, SAS w/ARB My build thread. http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-s-sac-155872/

11-03-2009, 06:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
Mudd Duck 1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: oregon Posts: 38	alright no prob thought i would offer also if anyone's interested i have an extra sr5 instrument cluster $50 shipped has trip odometer with tach, temp, gas, oil, and battery came out of a v6 i believe it was a 90 4runner 230102 miles __________________ 95 4Runner, SR5, 3.0, 5 speed, 4 inch Sky Jacker, 33-13.50-15 Toyo MT's, Detroit True Lock, Smitty Built tube bumper, More to come including 3.4 swap

11-03-2009, 06:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
Mudd Duck 1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: oregon Posts: 38	also anyone else interested in that locker lemme know it was originally going to be used in my dad's 91 pick up with a 4 banger by the way the locker is a detroit locker installed in a toyota carrier just pull your 3rd member pop it in and your good to go __________________ 95 4Runner, SR5, 3.0, 5 speed, 4 inch Sky Jacker, 33-13.50-15 Toyo MT's, Detroit True Lock, Smitty Built tube bumper, More to come including 3.4 swap Last edited by Mudd Duck 1; 11-03-2009 at 06:51 PM.

11-03-2009, 08:03 PM	#48 (permalink)
Mudd Duck 1 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: oregon Posts: 38	i also have the basic cluster that is just a speedo with gas and maybe temp not really sure if thats what your referring to BLKNBLU. probably not? are you talkin you need it for an 80's vehicle? and the km thing is cool the only prob on the locker is i don't know the part number and neither does my dad who originally was going to use it i just know its good for 4 cylinder pick ups with 27 spline rear ends i don't know about 4runners though __________________ 95 4Runner, SR5, 3.0, 5 speed, 4 inch Sky Jacker, 33-13.50-15 Toyo MT's, Detroit True Lock, Smitty Built tube bumper, More to come including 3.4 swap

11-03-2009, 09:00 PM	#50 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,668	Right, so I poked around Eaton's site and they don't list an application for a Detroit locker for the 7.5 inch at all. After re-visiting muddduck's ad it looks like a Lockrite/aussie/detroit ez locker in a Toyota carrier. So Muddduck, yes it is made by Eaton/Detroit but it is not what most folks mean when they refer to a Detroit Locker. A true Detroit replaces the entire carrier. The ez locker is a "lunchbox" style similar to the lockrite by Richmond or the Aussie by Torq masters. If that is the case, your price is not really that great. They are $269 new, granted yours is already installed in a carrier so there is value in that. Check me out on all this, also see if you can spy the part #811A017 anywhere on it. Good luck. __________________ 86 4Runner, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, rear Lockright, SAS w/ARB My build thread. http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-s-sac-155872/

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