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Old 01-31-2008, 10:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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whats better and why, 3.0 V6 or 22re?

hey, i have a 1988 4runner with the v6 and i love it, but now im getting an 88 4runner with a 22re, i know alot of people like the 22re, but is there any specific reason why they would rather have a 22re compared to the v6? just wondering what some pros and cons are, and is it possible to make the 22re more powerful than the v6, any help would be awesome, and thanx for helping me out
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22re is way easier to work on and dont eat head gaskets like the 3.slow does
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also does it make a difference offroading because its lighter? or how much lighter is it does anyone know?
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If some one has both laying around, they might be able to tell you, but there are always variations in how people weigh stuff, ie accessories, fluids etc etc,

personally, I've had two extended cabs, one with a 22-RE and one with a 3.0, I can tell the weight difference just from driving around, so I guess that "enough to notice" would be my answer

people would rather have a 22-RE because they have gotten a good reputation for being reliable and easy(er) to work on, but they do eat timing chains, and just as with any other engine, if you don't take care of them, they don't last forever,

Some people like the 3.0 because it has more power than a 22-RE, but it has gotten a bad reputation because of the issues with headgaskets and water pumps and the #6(?) exhaust valves like to burn up, and they are always going to tic and make wierd noises like crazy and you'll never know why

I'm happy with my 3.0, I wish I had a 4cyl, but only for the gas mileage, that's it, I like having the 3.0 because I am no longer afraid of on-ramps or punk kids in civics, It's not an impossible engine to work on but it is really cramped there but I don't think it's too bad (after working on jets for 5 years, I am kinda used to working in cramped places, so my opinion may be off)

bottom line is that they are both toyota engines, and they are both going to be more reliable than the majority of other engines
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yea i guess its just because ive never owned a 4 cylinder engine before, i like having the power, worst case scenario ill just get a bigger engine :\
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find one with a blown 3.slow for cheap swap in a 3.4L
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oh, and you can probably make a 22-RE more powerful than a 3.0, check out LC engineering:

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/default.aspx

They've got turbos superchargers all that crap, but it'll cost ya $$$

other than that, throw on a cam, headers, exhaust, maybe an igniton (msd whatever) and call it good, anything else is going to be more money than it's worth (unless you blew it up and are doing a rebuild, then bore it out)
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find one with a blown 3.slow for cheap swap in a 3.4L
That's the best way to do it if you've got the time/steady cash/and place to do it,

otherwise you can go buy a $3k to $4k 4runner, and maybe it'll blow up, maybe it wont
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doesnt boring it out make it more suseptible to damage? cuz isnt like the width of metal between each cycliner *hole?* become less or something, i dunno much about engines
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doesnt boring it out make it more suseptible to damage? cuz isnt like the width of metal between each cycliner *hole?* become less or something, i dunno much about engines
yeah in theory, but if you are looking for power, that is something you can do while you are rebuilding, if you are already rebuilding, I would go ahead and do it, i think if it does make it more "suseptible to damage" it is probably not by much

I'm not saying go crazy with bore it out, I don't think that the guys who do go very far with it, I know that it is a fairly common practice, if it was a %100 don't do it situation, then I would have never heard of it being done

You can also get stroker kits, I think the link I posted above has 'em

But, like I said, anything over the basic stuff, and you are going to be fighing an uphill battle, same situation with trying to get power out a 3.0, that, along with reliability, are the reasons for the popularity of the swap to the 3.4, you are starting out about 60hp ahead, and the 3.4 has a better aftermarket,

you can also do a 2rz or 3rz swap, into either a 4cyl or 3.0, both have thier differences, marlin's site has info on that:
http://www.marlincrawler.com/htm/tra...on/3rzbell.htm
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=19275.0

There is alos info in the engine swap section here too, but not a whole lot as it just opened up
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alright thanx alot eventually in the future i would realllllly like to get a chevy 350 small block, and a 700r4 transmission, i was reading that the 700r4 has a better crawl ratio, im learning gradually
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If some one has both laying around, they might be able to tell you, but there are always variations in how people weigh stuff, ie accessories, fluids etc etc,

personally, I've had two extended cabs, one with a 22-RE and one with a 3.0, I can tell the weight difference just from driving around, so I guess that "enough to notice" would be my answer

people would rather have a 22-RE because they have gotten a good reputation for being reliable and easy(er) to work on, but they do eat timing chains, and just as with any other engine, if you don't take care of them, they don't last forever,

Some people like the 3.0 because it has more power than a 22-RE, but it has gotten a bad reputation because of the issues with headgaskets and water pumps and the #6(?) exhaust valves like to burn up, and they are always going to tic and make wierd noises like crazy and you'll never know why

I'm happy with my 3.0, I wish I had a 4cyl, but only for the gas mileage, that's it, I like having the 3.0 because I am no longer afraid of on-ramps or punk kids in civics, It's not an impossible engine to work on but it is really cramped there but I don't think it's too bad (after working on jets for 5 years, I am kinda used to working in cramped places, so my opinion may be off)

bottom line is that they are both toyota engines, and they are both going to be more reliable than the majority of other engines
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alright thanx alot eventually in the future i would realllllly like to get a chevy 350 small block, and a 700r4 transmission, i was reading that the 700r4 has a better crawl ratio, im learning gradually
My Uncle had that engine in his tricked out Jeep, it might have been fast but it CHUGGED the fuel. if you want a better crawl ratio in a stock 22RE or 3.0, just get new gears (Inch worm, Yukon, Granny) and a dual transfer case with some lockers
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the 3.0 in all my buddies 1st gens are all in good shape and for the most part are reliable. They are a bit quicker than my 22re but the 22re in my truck has been so good to me that i cant help but love it
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most people say the 22re is better but if you take care of the v6 like i do you wont run into problems. Between the two motors its basically comes down to up keep
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cold start injectors good?

just got a 88 p/u v6 3.0 92k original mi. runs great ...

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The 22RE when compared to the 3VZE

Strengths
Easy to work on. You can actually stand in the engine bay is you remove the rad.
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Weaknesses
Noticeably less power and torque
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AFAIK V6 comes with a gear driven T case that can be re-geared
V6 comes with the R150 5spd which is a really good tranny
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The v6 t-case is chain driven, not gear. Just to clear things up.

The 22re likes to eat headgaskets too(timing chains aswell), unfortunatly you won't hear about it as often as the 3.0 hg issue is blow way out of proportion. All I can say is I like my engine, it gets me from A to B alright.. but If I had any less power then now I wouldnt drive my truck. The 3.0 with all its quirks is worth it just for the stock power gain over the 22re. My opinion of course.
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Cam, headers, exhaust and a bit of timing advance and your 22re is pushing 150hp easy.. All exceptionally easy jobs to do for most (cam is the hardest).

Also a stick shift is a great help. I have driven both and while the 3.0 is a bit more torquey the 22re is better overall. I had no trouble in traffic hauling 55-65mph in 4th and 5th gear and the truck is only a pos parts truck that barely drives.
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