want to run 31's --what gear do i need?

tacho75 · 11-11-2009, 02:03 PM

i want to run 31's on my 88 4runner automatic r22e
my question it's what gears do i need to have factory
acceleration.....i am planing to use it as a pre runner
an i need all the torque i can get back from the stock r22e
like i mentioned my 4 runner it's automatic transmision
any helped will be great....thanks

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gilby4runner · 11-11-2009, 02:38 PM

stock gearing will work with 31's just fine

pwd · 11-11-2009, 02:41 PM

for the record I believe my Pickup came stock with 31 Inch tires and according to the sticker it has 4.56s with a manual tranny.

Not sure what size tires came with my 4Runner, but the door sticker on it says it has 4.88s with an auto.

Both are V6.

abecedarian · 11-11-2009, 02:45 PM

I've got 30" tires on my 88 4Runner and stock 4:10 gears. I noticed a loss of acceleration and the ability to hold highway speeds in 5th gear on moderate grades. 4:88's are on my list of things to do to it so I can get the stock feel back.
With the automatic, you're on the losing end of a battle since your engine turns higher rpm's already compared to a stickshift in any particular gear.

mt_goat · 11-11-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by abecedarian

With the automatic, you're on the losing end of a battle since your engine turns higher rpm's already compared to a stickshift in any particular gear.

Not in overdrive, 4th gear (OD) in the auto turns lower rpms than 5th gear in a manual.

My V6 auto came with 31s and 4.88 and was still a dog in OD. 3rd gear in an auto is 1 to 1, 4th gear in a manual is 1 to 1. 3rd in auto = 4th in manual.

abecedarian · 11-11-2009, 02:55 PM

I suppose I stand corrected. I forgot about the lockup. But I wouldn't consider locking the torque converter another gear.
But the OP was looking for acceleration anyhow.

mt_goat · 11-11-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by abecedarian

But I wouldn't consider locking the torque converter another gear.

I wouldn't either

But its a 4-speed auto tranny without the lockup, right? Or does he have no OD gear in that model?

abecedarian · 11-11-2009, 03:06 PM

This is why I should avoid transmission discussions.

mt_goat · 11-11-2009, 03:13 PM

Tacho75, what model tranny do you have? Specificly, what's your final drive ratio? I'm guessing its .71 to 1, but I seem to remember some early models had no OD gear...ie they were 3-speed autos.

mt_goat · 11-11-2009, 03:33 PM

More info: http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_TechInfo.shtml

1stgen4gunner · 11-11-2009, 04:55 PM

Stock gearing is fine (4:10) but 4:56 gears are probably the best for 31's, try not to go any lower because I had a 4:88 rear end in my 88' runner (refer to sig for motor trans. combo) and it was a dog.

TOYOTA 1 · 11-11-2009, 05:31 PM

abe wont 4:88's be a lil much for a 30" tire?

my 864r has 33x9.50's and 410's its not bad at all, even on the freeway.

though i do find myself going a smidgen faster than everyone else

abecedarian · 11-11-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

abe wont 4:88's be a lil much for a 30" tire?

my 864r has 33x9.50's and 410's its not bad at all, even on the freeway.

though i do find myself going a smidgen faster than everyone else

probably a bit much for now. But roads I used to be able to maintain 65 in 5th with the 225/75's require a shift down to 4th to keep speed. I'm just looking at the future: I do plan on larger tires, probably 33's to fill the wheel wells since I've got a 4" bracket lift... and might even be adding long travel on top of that in the next few months... but am aiming at a 33-34" tire when I'm done so having to deal with being over-geared for a while is just a little bit of fun.

LITLRED · 11-11-2009, 07:01 PM

Mine is an 86 runner with 4 speed auto, 4.3 gears and 31's. She seems to have plenty of zip, comparable to my 4.3l blazer.

abecedarian · 11-11-2009, 07:02 PM

4.3 diffs? huh?

LITLRED · 11-11-2009, 07:24 PM

The gearing 4.3 in the differentials. Hows that?

I think its stock for my rig.

bob200587 · 11-11-2009, 07:27 PM

4.88s with 31s on a auto

4.88s with 33s on a manual.

camo31"10.50" · 11-11-2009, 07:31 PM

exactly....Bob hit it right...with a autotragic you will want some 4.88's for 31's..and 5.29's for 33's....

but it might be easier for you to do a tranny swap to a manual..lol that'll give ya a little gain

Matt90V6SR5 · 11-11-2009, 08:57 PM

Lol @ autotragic...So what gear ratio is in my 90 V6 5-speed 4Runner?

camo31"10.50" · 11-11-2009, 09:08 PM

check your gear code in the VIN...mine is G252( i believe that's the correct code) which is 4.56's!!! mine came with 31" tires stock though

if you're came with 31" tires from the factory..then you got 4.56's..but if you came with 29's..then you got 4.10's

Matt90V6SR5 · 11-11-2009, 09:15 PM

Ive got 31s to,does it say on the vehicle any where?

TOYOTA 1 · 11-11-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by abecedarian

probably a bit much for now. But roads I used to be able to maintain 65 in 5th with the 225/75's require a shift down to 4th to keep speed. I'm just looking at the future: I do plan on larger tires, probably 33's to fill the wheel wells since I've got a 4" bracket lift... and might even be adding long travel on top of that in the next few months... but am aiming at a 33-34" tire when I'm done so having to deal with being over-geared for a while is just a little bit of fun.

copy!

that thing will be a lil race car for the time being with 488's and 30's lol

..

be sure to post some pics!

Trustyrusty · 11-18-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tacho75

i need all the torque i can get back from the stock r22e

You might wanna re-think that...

MaK92-4RnR · 11-18-2009, 05:10 PM

You can run 31s stock. if it really bothers you, you can swap to 4.56s... no point though... you'll want 33s or 35s in the future.

11-11-2009, 02:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
pwd Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Bay, Ontario Posts: 230	for the record I believe my Pickup came stock with 31 Inch tires and according to the sticker it has 4.56s with a manual tranny. Not sure what size tires came with my 4Runner, but the door sticker on it says it has 4.88s with an auto. Both are V6. __________________ 1995 4x4 ext. cab Truck 3.0L 5-speed Bone stock, with Wab-Fab Shackles Rear Wide 6" $100 Acquired in May 07 , spent ~ $4400 on repairs so far: Paint job, parking brake cable, rad re-core, new tire winch, brake lines, fuel line, Bremo rotors, Toyota pads, new calipers (in this order), all new exhaust excluding headers 1992 4Runner 4x4 3.0L Auto Project Truck... the deeper money pit. Update Nov. 19: Fully road worthy. New Tires Coming Soon.

11-11-2009, 03:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Tacho75, what model tranny do you have? Specificly, what's your final drive ratio? I'm guessing its .71 to 1, but I seem to remember some early models had no OD gear...ie they were 3-speed autos. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 11-11-2009 at 03:15 PM.

11-11-2009, 03:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	More info: http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_TechInfo.shtml __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

11-11-2009, 04:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
1stgen4gunner Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 622	Stock gearing is fine (4:10) but 4:56 gears are probably the best for 31's, try not to go any lower because I had a 4:88 rear end in my 88' runner (refer to sig for motor trans. combo) and it was a dog. __________________ -Dave "It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated." Sorry Guys but I am trying chevy for a while, Current Rig- 2000 Chevy S10 ZR2, but I am sure I'll be back! 1990 Deluxe Extended Cab 22RE 5spd, Roll Bar, KC Lites, Flowmaster 50 series- SOLD 1988 4Runner SR5 3.0 3VZE Auto, 31" BFG A/T KO, Bushwhackers, 205,000 miles- SOLD and was driven 4500 miles to Anchorage AK 2003 KTM SX125 Last edited by 1stgen4gunner; 11-11-2009 at 05:52 PM.

11-11-2009, 07:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
LITLRED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Vancouver< WA Posts: 110	Mine is an 86 runner with 4 speed auto, 4.3 gears and 31's. She seems to have plenty of zip, comparable to my 4.3l blazer. __________________ 86 4Runner rebuilt 22RE Auto engnbldr kit 0.020 over, 10.5 x 31's, smitttybuilt front, custom back, royal purple 5w30, mech oil pressure gauge, alarm 1998 Avalon XLS bone stock...but not for long Last edited by LITLRED; 11-11-2009 at 07:19 PM.

11-11-2009, 07:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
LITLRED Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Vancouver< WA Posts: 110	The gearing 4.3 in the differentials. Hows that? I think its stock for my rig. __________________ 86 4Runner rebuilt 22RE Auto engnbldr kit 0.020 over, 10.5 x 31's, smitttybuilt front, custom back, royal purple 5w30, mech oil pressure gauge, alarm 1998 Avalon XLS bone stock...but not for long

11-11-2009, 07:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,853	4.88s with 31s on a auto 4.88s with 33s on a manual. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Flowmaster Muffler, LCE Header AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 190XXX miles

11-11-2009, 07:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,063	exactly....Bob hit it right...with a autotragic you will want some 4.88's for 31's..and 5.29's for 33's.... but it might be easier for you to do a tranny swap to a manual..lol that'll give ya a little gain __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

11-11-2009, 08:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Matt90V6SR5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Firestone,Co. Posts: 301	Lol @ autotragic...So what gear ratio is in my 90 V6 5-speed 4Runner?

11-11-2009, 09:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,063	check your gear code in the VIN...mine is G252( i believe that's the correct code) which is 4.56's!!! mine came with 31" tires stock though if you're came with 31" tires from the factory..then you got 4.56's..but if you came with 29's..then you got 4.10's __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

11-11-2009, 09:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
Matt90V6SR5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Firestone,Co. Posts: 301	Ive got 31s to,does it say on the vehicle any where?

11-18-2009, 05:10 PM	#24 (permalink)
MaK92-4RnR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Roseville, California ( NOR CAL ) Posts: 315	You can run 31s stock. if it really bothers you, you can swap to 4.56s... no point though... you'll want 33s or 35s in the future. __________________ 1992 Toyota 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0 V6 5 Speed - Completely stock with 136k Miles. Modifications: Exhaust: Doug thorley headers, magnaflow hi flow cat, borla turbo muffler, 2.25 piping with a 3" tip Stereo: Pioneer Premier Deck, 2 12" Subwoofers, Brand new speakers all around, 1 450w 4 channel amp, 1 1000w 2 channel amp. CB Radio: Cobra 19 DX IV 40-Channel Compact CB Radio

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