QuietGiant

I have seen posts regarding the Steering Relay Rod recall that many dealers are not doing front end alignments (toe in) because of bad Idler Arms. Is it common that the Idler Arm fails with 94 4Runners? I bought a 94 4Runner with 95k miles (orig owner). The truck never saw a dirt road. I have to bring it in for the recall but want to know if I should do front end work first... I was thinking outer tie rod ends and the Idler Arm. Also, I have seen complaints that the Toyota Idler Arm and general oem replacements other that Moog are a problem. Any thoughts? QuietGiant

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mastacox

Usually the stealership will agressively try to solicit work you would have to pay for while they have you car apart for the recall. You might consider getting some simple stuff done, as long as they don't try to screw you. But, it's probably a better deal to just make them do the rod and nothing else.

As for idler arms, man I hate that thing. With my lift (BJ spacers with 26mm T-bars and 33-12.50 TrXuS M/T's) the thing would keep an alignment for MAYBE 2 weeks. Those damn plastic bushings in there just can't take the heat. So, I decided to go hardcore and got an invincible Chrome-Moly Idler Arm from Total Chaos Fabrication (you may recognize them for their extended A-arm "Caddy" lift for 2nd gens). It's a little expensive ($299) but it's super strong, and bolts straight in (you just have to drill the center link to 5/8"). I highly recommend it, because my 4Runner keeps its alignment agressively now, even off-road. Highly recommended!

http://www.chaosfab.com/toyaccess_4wd.html

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mt_goat

Yeah and what most won't bother to tell you is the bushing can be replaced in the idler arm. Unless the idler arm is bent it's probably just the plastic bushing that is worn out. IIRC when I replaced my bushing it was maybe a $5 part.

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QuietGiant

I considered having a new bushing pressed instead of buying a replacement idler arm. Are there still machine shops that press bushings? I havn't seen one in years? At the moment, I am in Phoenix AZ. Do you have a recommendation as to where I can get one pressed here? Mastacox, I see you are from Tucson (not exactly next door).

joatmon

You don't need to have anyone press them in. They're plastic. You can push them out with a screwdriver and push them back in with your fingers and a flat surface. I just did this this weekend. The thing that took the longest was filling it back up with grease. Here's a write up: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/idler/

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1991 4Runner SR5 V6 5-Speed 4X4 230,000+ miles
Things I need to fix/repair: Fan Clutch, Bent Spare Tire Carrier.

Things I've added/fixed/repaired: Centerforce Clutch, Centerforce Heavy Flywheel, Reman R150F tranny, Leaking steering gear box, Rearend sag, Suspension Bushings, Shocks, Ball Joints/Tie Rods, Leaking valve covers.

Things I need to add: Radio w/ CD, CB, Fog lights, Driving lights, Rear aux lights, Seat covers

tc

I would take it in first. There's a fair chance that they will cover the replacement of the idler arm, pitman arm, and tie rods (they did on mine!)

Be sure to read the ENTIRE stickied thread at the top.

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QuietGiant

Thanks for the "heads up" TC, on the sticky thread and Joatman, on the Idler Arm maintenance post. VERY helpful. I will do new bushings this weekend and call for the recall appointment. I am in Phoenix AZ at the moment with the 4Runner. I saw a post on the 14 page thread where Right Toyota in Scottsdale was used and the member was happy. I'm on the other side of Phoenix closer to Bell Toyota (North Phoenix) and Larry Miller Toyota (Peoria). Has anyone had experience with either of these dealers? I would like to go to the dealer yielding the least brain damage to the customer... QuietGiant
PS. TC, I notice you have a 96 SS Impala (Personal Cop Car). Nice ride. I had one but, I sold it last year with 18k orig miles. I refered to mine as my "4200LB Corvette"

tc

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Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R
96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car
Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place

Stop with the mods and get on the trail!

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burpwagon

Yeah take it in first, thing is the dealer makes a pretty good deal on recalls because the main factory pays for the work so they are getting paid to begin with. I have had my 934WD PU recalled twiice with good service both times.