Removing lockers?

chevyassasin · 12-01-2009, 04:09 PM

Well, ive just bought a 86 pickup thats been locked and geared (to 4.11 i think), but i need it to be steet worthy and it's hard to steer a completly locked truck. I was just planning on taking off the front locker since the strait axel trucks do ok on the road, would that be ok? Is there something else i can do other than take it off? And any advice?

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camo31"10.50" · 12-01-2009, 04:20 PM

4.10's were stock duude...are you sure it just isn't in 4wd????......just askin lmao

and it shouldn't be straight axle unless it has been SAS'd..solid axle production stopped in '85 in the states..

post up some pics!!

Booosted Supra · 12-01-2009, 04:31 PM

Yeah I would double check the linkage, your axles shouldn't be binding up too bad with a locker unless someone welded them, check your hubs too to make sure there fully unlocked they could have gotten stuck in lock... I mean I run a front locker and dont notice it til my hubs are locked, and a rear spool and I dont even think thats to bad at all

chevyassasin · 12-01-2009, 04:32 PM

i know its not a strait axel, i was just sayin guys with em can still drive on the road. It could be stuck in 4x4, idk. I know it has lockers. They are "spool" lockers, what does that mean?

camo31"10.50" · 12-01-2009, 04:47 PM

SPOOL type lockers lock BOTH tires together ALLL THE TIME..no matter what...pull your diff..remove that spool..and put it back in...might as well do the same with the rear..cuz it's gonna eat your tires faster than you can pee..

bain · 12-01-2009, 04:54 PM

when you turn corners slowly does your rear inside tire spin and chirp?

Booosted Supra · 12-01-2009, 04:56 PM

I dont think there is a spool for the 7.5 its most likely welded

ocdropzone · 12-01-2009, 05:01 PM

if you have a spool or have a welded third you might has well start hitting craigslist for a set of third members...

TOYOTA 1 · 12-01-2009, 05:37 PM

take the cover off the front of the ifs diff housing and take a pic and post it.

4Crawler · 12-01-2009, 06:08 PM

Easy way to check for a locker or spool is to raise the tires on that axle off the ground, transmission in neutral and spin one tire and see which way the other tire spins. If it spins the same direction, that diff. is locked. If it spins opposite, it is open. Then alternate turning the one tire backward and forward and see if the other tire follows the direction changes exactly (if so a spool) or if it free wheels a bit then clanks to a stop and changes direction (an automatic locker).

Rix · 12-05-2009, 11:49 PM

All you need is one of the hubs unlocked, and then you can steer just fine.

chevyassasin · 12-11-2009, 01:19 PM

i think i'm just goin to leave em how they are, they seem to do ok on the road i just had to get used to them not letting me turn as good. thanks for all your guys help though.

904_runner · 12-11-2009, 01:23 PM

Are you driving in 4wd on the road?

Yes having the rear end welded will reduce turning capacity a little bit. Once you get used to it it won't be a problem..

Your tires will wear out quickly in the back, so you may want to rotated your tires more often than not.

muddpigg · 12-11-2009, 01:44 PM

If its a full spool there is no easy pulling it as it replaces the carrier. Don't think they make mini spools for us. Welded well new carrier. Either way its going to require a gear set up. If its a lunch box locker than you'll need spider gears. A detroit will require a carrier also.

Think you made the best desicion to keep it.

You can always look at swapping you rear dif and front axle to someone who has open ones.

chevyassasin · 12-15-2009, 02:45 PM

i'm definatly goin to rotate more often cause i'm puttin a brand new set of 35" mud terrains (bfgoodrich) and i want them to last lol. how often should i rotate?

brian2sun · 12-15-2009, 03:30 PM

If you have manual hubs (which I'm guessing you do), the front spool locker will not bother you when the hubs are unlocked. As I'm sure you know, In 4WD (when you lock the hubs) your diff will be locked too. If that's affecting your ability to steer when you actually need 4WD like on a snowy uphill, you can lock just 1 hub and essentially you get 3WD.

Nothing you can do about the rear except get used to it or remove/replace the locker.

12-01-2009, 04:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,850	4.10's were stock duude...are you sure it just isn't in 4wd????......just askin lmao and it shouldn't be straight axle unless it has been SAS'd..solid axle production stopped in '85 in the states.. post up some pics!! __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 4runner V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

12-01-2009, 04:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Booosted Supra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Haddonfield NJ Posts: 280	Yeah I would double check the linkage, your axles shouldn't be binding up too bad with a locker unless someone welded them, check your hubs too to make sure there fully unlocked they could have gotten stuck in lock... I mean I run a front locker and dont notice it til my hubs are locked, and a rear spool and I dont even think thats to bad at all __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5: 38.5x15x15 TSL Boggers on rock crawlers, 4 inch suspension lift, 1 inch body lift, F&R Yukon 5.71 gears, Trail gear rear spool, Lockrite front, Aisin Hub conversion, 1st gen roll bar mod, ISR mod, ARB Safari Snokel, ARB Bull Bar, Custom safari rack, Wabfab rock sliders, CB wired, Safari brush lines, Hella fogs, very minor trimming and lots more!

12-01-2009, 04:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,850	SPOOL type lockers lock BOTH tires together ALLL THE TIME..no matter what...pull your diff..remove that spool..and put it back in...might as well do the same with the rear..cuz it's gonna eat your tires faster than you can pee.. __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 4runner V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

12-01-2009, 04:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
bain Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: lenoir, NC Posts: 390	when you turn corners slowly does your rear inside tire spin and chirp? __________________ geared,locked, lifted, snorkeled, protected and beat all to hell and I'll never use the search button!!! Last edited by bain; 12-01-2009 at 04:55 PM.

12-01-2009, 04:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Booosted Supra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Haddonfield NJ Posts: 280	I dont think there is a spool for the 7.5 its most likely welded __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5: 38.5x15x15 TSL Boggers on rock crawlers, 4 inch suspension lift, 1 inch body lift, F&R Yukon 5.71 gears, Trail gear rear spool, Lockrite front, Aisin Hub conversion, 1st gen roll bar mod, ISR mod, ARB Safari Snokel, ARB Bull Bar, Custom safari rack, Wabfab rock sliders, CB wired, Safari brush lines, Hella fogs, very minor trimming and lots more!

12-01-2009, 04:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
chevyassasin Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8	i know its not a strait axel, i was just sayin guys with em can still drive on the road. It could be stuck in 4x4, idk. I know it has lockers. They are "spool" lockers, what does that mean?

12-01-2009, 05:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
ocdropzone Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX Posts: 4,932	if you have a spool or have a welded third you might has well start hitting craigslist for a set of third members... __________________ ~Robb '81 Trekker The B4Runner Build TREKKER Forum Mini FAQ/Misc Ideas Thread TRY THESE SEARCH LINKS GOOGLE FOR TOYOTA WEBSITES LINK TO ONLINE FACTORY SERVICE MANUALS Drive a real 1st Gen Wheel Responsibly, Don't Screw It Up for Others

12-01-2009, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 8,292	Easy way to check for a locker or spool is to raise the tires on that axle off the ground, transmission in neutral and spin one tire and see which way the other tire spins. If it spins the same direction, that diff. is locked. If it spins opposite, it is open. Then alternate turning the one tire backward and forward and see if the other tire follows the direction changes exactly (if so a spool) or if it free wheels a bit then clanks to a stop and changes direction (an automatic locker). __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

12-05-2009, 11:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rix Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Posts: 36	All you need is one of the hubs unlocked, and then you can steer just fine.

12-11-2009, 01:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
chevyassasin Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8	i think i'm just goin to leave em how they are, they seem to do ok on the road i just had to get used to them not letting me turn as good. thanks for all your guys help though.

12-11-2009, 01:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,878	Are you driving in 4wd on the road? Yes having the rear end welded will reduce turning capacity a little bit. Once you get used to it it won't be a problem.. Your tires will wear out quickly in the back, so you may want to rotated your tires more often than not. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, front high pinion W/ARB, 30 spline longfields with chromo hub gears, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Duals coming soon: Pending funds My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

12-11-2009, 01:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,562	If its a full spool there is no easy pulling it as it replaces the carrier. Don't think they make mini spools for us. Welded well new carrier. Either way its going to require a gear set up. If its a lunch box locker than you'll need spider gears. A detroit will require a carrier also. Think you made the best desicion to keep it. You can always look at swapping you rear dif and front axle to someone who has open ones. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY Balljoints, 26mm torsion bars, idle arm for sale. Open to trades and offers. http://www.yotatech.com/f11/ball-joi.../#post51268965 Non ADD locked 4:88 front axle. http://www.nw-wheelers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47994 Last edited by muddpigg; 12-11-2009 at 01:45 PM.

12-15-2009, 02:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
chevyassasin Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8	i'm definatly goin to rotate more often cause i'm puttin a brand new set of 35" mud terrains (bfgoodrich) and i want them to last lol. how often should i rotate?

12-15-2009, 03:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
brian2sun Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lake Arrowhead, CA Posts: 827	If you have manual hubs (which I'm guessing you do), the front spool locker will not bother you when the hubs are unlocked. As I'm sure you know, In 4WD (when you lock the hubs) your diff will be locked too. If that's affecting your ability to steer when you actually need 4WD like on a snowy uphill, you can lock just 1 hub and essentially you get 3WD. Nothing you can do about the rear except get used to it or remove/replace the locker. __________________ 97 4Runner SR5 3.4L 4x4 285/75R16 Dunlop M/T Maxx Tractions Front - OME 883s & N91SC shocks Rear - OME 891s N86C shocks ARB rear locker ARB Bullbar 4.88s Pulled my ABS fuse mod My 4th Toyota truck

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