Newbie Modification Information - Page 2

rakkasan79 · 07-13-2008, 12:13 AM

hey all. this may be a dumb question but since i'm unsure of the answer i'll ask anyway. will i lose ground clearance on my 3rd gen if i go from 265x75x16 to 32x11.5x15?

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tc · 07-13-2008, 08:55 AM

Depends on the brand and specific tires. According to Tire Rack for BFG A/T, they are both 31.7" tall, so no, you would have pretty much the same ground clearance as now.

Unfortunately, I think a 32" is about all you can fit on a 3rd gen with no lift. If you have 1.5"-2", you should be able to fit a 33x10.50-15 or 255/85-16.

terrybo3 · 07-13-2008, 10:02 AM

Hey TC... I just bought a 2" lift (just coils and bj spacers) for my '95. I need the coil springs, definitely. Should I just use those and not the bj spacers, or should I sell the kit and buy stock height HD coil springs? I want to put 33s on eventually. I bought the lift before reading this thread...not too bad at $140, though. It's a Toytec 2" lift.

pkt1213 · 07-13-2008, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rakkasan79

hey all. this may be a dumb question but since i'm unsure of the answer i'll ask anyway. will i lose ground clearance on my 3rd gen if i go from 265x75x16 to 32x11.5x15?

Question is, if you have a 3rd gen V6 with the 16" wheels or, someone correct me if I am wrong, any 3rd gen with 16" wheels, you won't be able to fit a 15" wheel over your brakes. I know the SR5s and Limiteds came with larger brakes than the 4cyl ones.

tc · 07-13-2008, 05:16 PM

There are significant pluses and minuses to the BJ spacers. Read the thread in the second gen forum and see different people's experience - only you can decide what's right for you.

If it were me, I would install the BJ spacers and uncrank the tbars to level out the truck.

SWPERIC · 07-13-2008, 08:49 PM

i LOVE this thread. HUGE help but i have questions that i have searched and searched on and not been able to find a straight answer.

I understand that armor and lockers should be #1 but my stock shocks r going and i have ordered some bilsteins to replace them and i was going to replace the springs while i was at it. should i get keep my stock height? or get a 1" lift spring kit? also i need new tires before winter anyway and i need 2 to figure out how big of a tire i can get on my stock rims with the above recommended shock/spring combo. i just figure if i have 2 replace them, i might as well upgrade for a few bucks more.

looking for some advise. if anyone knows any good threads, can you please post a link here.

AxleIke · 07-13-2008, 09:31 PM

If you are already buying new springs, buy the lift.

**4x4Fink** · 07-13-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxleIke

If you are already buying new springs, buy the lift.

x2

If you're already having to replace them, then go ahead and do it right.

Fink

SWPERIC · 07-13-2008, 09:49 PM

can anyone recommend a spring package 2 get to go with my bilstein shocks? ive seen the performance products ones but thats about it. ive trusted eibach with my street cars for years but of course they dont make anything for my truck. keep in my that this HAS to b my daily driver. again sorry if this has been covered in other threads. i cant seem to find vehicle/application specific info for my 2002 4runner limited. thanks all.

tc · 07-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Check out the lift options at www.sonoransteel.com for your '02 third gen.

**4x4Fink** · 07-13-2008, 09:55 PM

Are you wanting lift?

If so go with OME (Old Man Emu) you can get them through Wheeler's Off Road or TRDParts4U.com (PM Strap22 on this board).

I ran them on my old 3rd gen and couldn't have asked for a better ride/off-road ability. They performed well on the street as well as in the rocks.

You can also get kits that are already pieced together from Sonoran Steel.

Do a search on here for "3rd gen OME" and see what you come up with.

Fink

**4x4Fink** · 07-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Check out the lift options at www.sonoransteel.com for your '02 third gen.

tc beat me to it!

Fink

jeff-CO · 07-14-2008, 03:29 PM

Excellent thread AxleIke, awesome video, tc.

I'm in Thornton/Boulder, and just took my bone stock 94 truck to Lefthand Canyon this past weekend. I tried a couple of the rocky areas in the first 100 yards of Carnage Canyon and quickly realized that everything you're saying here is true:

- my speed was too fast even in 4low, so I was on the clutch a lot and bumping into obstacles too fast.
- My tires were spinning often on the rocks and hills due to open diffs
- I only had a couple clearance issues, but it was more due to poor navigation.

Anyway, if I ever convince my wife to let me spend any money

, I'm going with ARB air lockers, body armor (LOVE the rear bumper, tc!) then 33's if I can make'em fit like you guys suggest. My truck seems to have tons of room in the rear - we'll have to see about the front.

Thanks again,
-Jeff

BTW, I'm a total newbie at this - I got my first truck a few weeks ago, and would appreciate PMs with any tips or links: driving, mods/pics, videos, trail sites/maps, etc.

GSGALLANT · 07-14-2008, 04:46 PM

I agree in general with the original post, however, with a 2001 or 2002 4Runner, I disagree about the lift portion of the post. Those years of 4Runners are the lowest out there. Maybe the 2003+ are lower still... not sure.

The fact that the belly of the truck is so low means that I get hung up on many obstacles that other comparable trucks just glide over. I've ordered the Sonoran Steel system 1.2 lift, and I can't wait to install it.

As far as lockers, I will be buying some in the future (at least a rear locker), but for now, the traction control system on my 2002 works pretty well if it's used properly except on the worse of trails.

AxleIke · 07-14-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSGALLANT

I agree in general with the original post, however, with a 2001 or 2002 4Runner, I disagree about the lift portion of the post. Those years of 4Runners are the lowest out there. Maybe the 2003+ are lower still... not sure.

The fact that the belly of the truck is so low means that I get hung up on many obstacles that other comparable trucks just glide over. I've ordered the Sonoran Steel system 1.2 lift, and I can't wait to install it.

As far as lockers, I will be buying some in the future (at least a rear locker), but for now, the traction control system on my 2002 works pretty well if it's used properly except on the worse of trails.

If you armor the bottom, you don't have to worry about it, and the gears and lockers will allow you to drag. There is a point where you do need a lift. Eventually you will get to a point where you cannot go any further because you are hanging so badly it's stopping you.

But, if you have gears, lockers, and armor first, you can really get up a lot of stuff that will hit your belly, but not hang it.

These were set up as some guidelines for folks just starting out. If you feel that you need a lift, you should get a lift. This isn't the end all be all of modification direction. Just stuff to think about.

tc · 07-14-2008, 09:39 PM

x2

Also, the newer steering and suspensions are more "lift-friendly" than the 1995 and earlier IFS.

bryanrr2009 · 08-06-2008, 07:16 AM

i have a 3rd gen 4unner v6 SR5 package but came with stock 15" rims........so i can fit 32x10.5x15 under it with no other mods?

Johannes · 10-17-2008, 01:42 PM

Damn I wish I had known about this thread when I was in high school...all I wanted was a lifted truck, didn't get one, but all I thought about was lifting it. If I had only known...

AxleIke · 10-17-2008, 02:39 PM

Lockers, gears, and belly armor hard at work:

kennyboy019 · 10-30-2008, 11:51 AM

Ok, possibly dumb noob question.

When your talking about lockers, do you mean for the rear or the front? I already have front lockers and I know their stock.

tc · 10-30-2008, 12:03 PM

You are confusing locking hubs (what you have in the front) and locking differentials.

A locking hub engages the axle shaft to the wheel, allowing drive instead of just freewheeling.

A locking differential ensuures that power is distributed to both axle shafts simultaneously.

REBELIN2DEEP · 10-31-2008, 10:23 AM

Anyone have any info on a PRERUNNER kit for a 94 pickup sb?

NicCantDecide · 10-31-2008, 10:31 AM

I don't know what you mean exactly by prerunner, but if you're looking for a long travel kit for the front, look no further than Total Chaos. Their site is www.chaosfab.com I think.

Their Gen 3 kit is 2WD only and has the longest travel you can get. Their kits are pricey but if I were to go prerunner that's what I would buy.

wii_tarded · 10-31-2008, 11:22 AM

this is great, only confirms my thoughts. planning on an engined swap and ppl round here want me to go small block V8, sticking to V6, with the 8 i'll get a little too wild with the power and rip the driveline out in a heartbeat.

kennyboy019 · 10-31-2008, 03:18 PM

Ah, thanks TC.
Now, about how much does that cost?

07-13-2008, 08:55 AM	#27 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,375	Depends on the brand and specific tires. According to Tire Rack for BFG A/T, they are both 31.7" tall, so no, you would have pretty much the same ground clearance as now. Unfortunately, I think a 32" is about all you can fit on a 3rd gen with no lift. If you have 1.5"-2", you should be able to fit a 33x10.50-15 or 255/85-16. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

07-13-2008, 10:02 AM	#28 (permalink)
terrybo3 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 130	Hey TC... I just bought a 2" lift (just coils and bj spacers) for my '95. I need the coil springs, definitely. Should I just use those and not the bj spacers, or should I sell the kit and buy stock height HD coil springs? I want to put 33s on eventually. I bought the lift before reading this thread...not too bad at $140, though. It's a Toytec 2" lift. __________________ No more stock flex!!! :D Model: 1995 4Runner SR5 - Blue/Blue Engine/Performance: 3.0 L V6 3VZE, 5spd. Manual, no mods to the engine yet... Suspension: 2" Toytec balljoint spacers up front, 2" Lift Toytec coil springs in the rear Tires: 31x10.50 on stock wheels Misc: Extra Power Outlet Mod (3 total outlets), 200W Power Converter Mod(for the laptop), more to come

07-13-2008, 05:16 PM	#30 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,375	There are significant pluses and minuses to the BJ spacers. Read the thread in the second gen forum and see different people's experience - only you can decide what's right for you. If it were me, I would install the BJ spacers and uncrank the tbars to level out the truck. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

07-13-2008, 08:49 PM	#31 (permalink)
SWPERIC Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 280	i LOVE this thread. HUGE help but i have questions that i have searched and searched on and not been able to find a straight answer. I understand that armor and lockers should be #1 but my stock shocks r going and i have ordered some bilsteins to replace them and i was going to replace the springs while i was at it. should i get keep my stock height? or get a 1" lift spring kit? also i need new tires before winter anyway and i need 2 to figure out how big of a tire i can get on my stock rims with the above recommended shock/spring combo. i just figure if i have 2 replace them, i might as well upgrade for a few bucks more. looking for some advise. if anyone knows any good threads, can you please post a link here. __________________ My Build Thread for sale. very cheap, almost free. 2002 4runner limited running boards (golden pearl) free to a good home. or any home at that 2002 runner stereo with 6 cd changer and external amp.

07-13-2008, 09:31 PM	#32 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,887	If you are already buying new springs, buy the lift. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

07-13-2008, 09:49 PM	#34 (permalink)
SWPERIC Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 280	can anyone recommend a spring package 2 get to go with my bilstein shocks? ive seen the performance products ones but thats about it. ive trusted eibach with my street cars for years but of course they dont make anything for my truck. keep in my that this HAS to b my daily driver. again sorry if this has been covered in other threads. i cant seem to find vehicle/application specific info for my 2002 4runner limited. thanks all. __________________ My Build Thread for sale. very cheap, almost free. 2002 4runner limited running boards (golden pearl) free to a good home. or any home at that 2002 runner stereo with 6 cd changer and external amp.

07-13-2008, 09:52 PM	#35 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,375	Check out the lift options at www.sonoransteel.com for your '02 third gen. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

07-13-2008, 09:55 PM	#36 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,952	Are you wanting lift? If so go with OME (Old Man Emu) you can get them through Wheeler's Off Road or TRDParts4U.com (PM Strap22 on this board). I ran them on my old 3rd gen and couldn't have asked for a better ride/off-road ability. They performed well on the street as well as in the rocks. You can also get kits that are already pieced together from Sonoran Steel. Do a search on here for "3rd gen OME" and see what you come up with. Fink __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1." Last edited by 4x4Fink; 07-13-2008 at 09:56 PM.

07-14-2008, 03:29 PM	#38 (permalink)
jeff-CO Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Thornton, Colorado Posts: 5	Excellent thread AxleIke, awesome video, tc. I'm in Thornton/Boulder, and just took my bone stock 94 truck to Lefthand Canyon this past weekend. I tried a couple of the rocky areas in the first 100 yards of Carnage Canyon and quickly realized that everything you're saying here is true: - my speed was too fast even in 4low, so I was on the clutch a lot and bumping into obstacles too fast. - My tires were spinning often on the rocks and hills due to open diffs - I only had a couple clearance issues, but it was more due to poor navigation. Anyway, if I ever convince my wife to let me spend any money , I'm going with ARB air lockers, body armor (LOVE the rear bumper, tc!) then 33's if I can make'em fit like you guys suggest. My truck seems to have tons of room in the rear - we'll have to see about the front. Thanks again, -Jeff BTW, I'm a total newbie at this - I got my first truck a few weeks ago, and would appreciate PMs with any tips or links: driving, mods/pics, videos, trail sites/maps, etc.

07-14-2008, 04:46 PM	#39 (permalink)
GSGALLANT Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,760	I agree in general with the original post, however, with a 2001 or 2002 4Runner, I disagree about the lift portion of the post. Those years of 4Runners are the lowest out there. Maybe the 2003+ are lower still... not sure. The fact that the belly of the truck is so low means that I get hung up on many obstacles that other comparable trucks just glide over. I've ordered the Sonoran Steel system 1.2 lift, and I can't wait to install it. As far as lockers, I will be buying some in the future (at least a rear locker), but for now, the traction control system on my 2002 works pretty well if it's used properly except on the worse of trails. __________________ 2002 4Runner, Auto-A340F, 3.4L, 4.30 Gears TJM T15 Front Bumper & Warn M8000, 4xInnovation sliders, Sonoran Steel 1.2 Lift, Toytec LCA Skids, Tundra Brake Upgrade (231mm), Extended rear diff breather, Deckplate Mod, Andymod, Dual batt setup with Optima blue top aux battery, Hardwired 1000W inverter, Aux fuse box, Full time power to 12V plugs, Yaesu FT7800R Radio, "4-air" system for airing up/down tires. 2004 Camry LE - stock (and will stay that way) 1993 4Runner has been sold

07-14-2008, 09:39 PM	#41 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,375	x2 Also, the newer steering and suspensions are more "lift-friendly" than the 1995 and earlier IFS. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-06-2008, 07:16 AM	#42 (permalink)
bryanrr2009 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NC Posts: 16	i have a 3rd gen 4unner v6 SR5 package but came with stock 15" rims........so i can fit 32x10.5x15 under it with no other mods?

10-17-2008, 01:42 PM	#43 (permalink)
Johannes Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Corvallis, OREGON Posts: 200	Damn I wish I had known about this thread when I was in high school...all I wanted was a lifted truck, didn't get one, but all I thought about was lifting it. If I had only known... __________________ Own: 1985 Toyota 4Runner Owned: 1995 Toyota Pickup 4x4

10-17-2008, 02:39 PM	#44 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,887	Lockers, gears, and belly armor hard at work: __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

10-30-2008, 11:51 AM	#45 (permalink)
kennyboy019 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38	Ok, possibly dumb noob question. When your talking about lockers, do you mean for the rear or the front? I already have front lockers and I know their stock.

10-30-2008, 12:03 PM	#46 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,375	You are confusing locking hubs (what you have in the front) and locking differentials. A locking hub engages the axle shaft to the wheel, allowing drive instead of just freewheeling. A locking differential ensuures that power is distributed to both axle shafts simultaneously. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

10-31-2008, 10:23 AM	#47 (permalink)
REBELIN2DEEP Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3	Anyone have any info on a PRERUNNER kit for a 94 pickup sb?

10-31-2008, 10:31 AM	#48 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 330	I don't know what you mean exactly by prerunner, but if you're looking for a long travel kit for the front, look no further than Total Chaos. Their site is www.chaosfab.com I think. Their Gen 3 kit is 2WD only and has the longest travel you can get. Their kits are pricey but if I were to go prerunner that's what I would buy.

10-31-2008, 11:22 AM	#49 (permalink)
wii_tarded Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 223	this is great, only confirms my thoughts. planning on an engined swap and ppl round here want me to go small block V8, sticking to V6, with the 8 i'll get a little too wild with the power and rip the driveline out in a heartbeat. __________________ '91 Runner, 31's, Flowmaster, ISR. What should be, and what is, are two different things! Live so the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral!

10-31-2008, 03:18 PM	#50 (permalink)
kennyboy019 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38	Ah, thanks TC. Now, about how much does that cost?

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