leveling out 95 runner

itsmeagain5789 · 10-22-2006, 07:56 AM

hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows an easy way to just level out a stock 95 4wd 4runner without messing with anything up front. I'm thinking about getting spacers, but I want to know what size spacers would level it. any other suggestions?

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AH64ID · 10-22-2006, 08:02 AM

You want to raise the rear right?

Performance Products springs, Old Man Emu springs, spacers. If all you do is raise the rear you wont have to touch the front.

FredTJ · 10-22-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by itsmeagain5789

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but I want to know what size spacers would level it. any other suggestions?

Well, since no one here knows how much it's sagged in the rear it's going to be real tough to tell you want sized spacers you're going to need, don't you think?

Measure and see what it's going to take to bring the rear up.

Fred

mudbutt · 10-22-2006, 08:16 AM

One of the Techs I work with just put in some napa springs, they were $65? They are a progressive rate spring that returned his truck to stock rear height. This was on a 95 runner at was 1/2" from the bumpstops

keithguts · 10-22-2006, 08:38 AM

New springs will do it. I did ny 95 runner, and it now sit level. The new springd gave it a lift of about 3"

gwhayduke · 10-22-2006, 08:50 AM

Cheap way: Adjust your torsion bars up front to lower the front end. But don't be surprised if you bottom out even more.

Best way: See above posts.

AH64ID · 10-22-2006, 08:52 AM

One thing to remember is that a 1.5" spring will bring you up 1.5"es from stock, not where you sit now, so you need to get something to lift you over stock, not from where you are now.. make sence?

rezrunner92 · 10-22-2006, 03:10 PM

I just did the NAPA springs recently. I would recommend it VERY highly if all you want to do is go back to stock height. This was the most notable thing I have done to improve my ride.

Do Not turn your torsion bars down or you will ride even crappier than now.

Forget about spacers completely unless you want to do a lift. Just go down to NAPA, I think my wholesale price on mine was $76. It took me 30 minutes to replace mine on the rack.

itsmeagain5789 · 10-22-2006, 04:51 PM

yea, what i meant by stock was to make it look like a stock vehicle. raise the rear a little bit to level it. i still want the nice 10 inch clearance up front. either new springs or spacers for the back, or anything else that'll keep it riding like stock, but mainly to raise the rear. sorry, i should have wrote that differently.

AH64ID · 10-22-2006, 05:19 PM

Stock still has a sagging look to it, it takes about 1.5" of lift for a level stance. If you want a real nice level ride look at OME.

rezrunner92 · 10-22-2006, 05:26 PM

The springs from NAPA made mine 100% level and I was about 1/2" away from bottom out.

If you put spacers under worn out springs ya still have worn out springs is what i was trying to say before.

AH64ID · 10-22-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rezrunner92

The springs from NAPA made mine 100% level and I was about 1/2" away from bottom out.

If you put spacers under worn out springs ya still have worn out springs is what i was trying to say before.

Good to hear the NAPA ones bring it up..

Yeah I only reccommend spacers as a last resort... I always reccommend new springs first.

mtsumedi · 10-22-2006, 06:43 PM

I got some air bags to put in mine. Have been too lazy to put them in though.

itsmeagain5789 · 10-22-2006, 07:08 PM

i just checked napa's website and the coil springs are $86. i'll give the store a call tommorow just to be sure. hopefully that's all I need.

xcmountain80 · 10-22-2006, 07:10 PM

Hmmm stock is ok but heres what we did on my brothers 95, We used the 1.5" rear lift springs from AllPro Offroad then adjusted the torsion bars accordingly. Then got an alignment. looked great drove fine.

Aaron

Silverunner · 10-22-2006, 07:12 PM

To those that have the NAPA springs, do they sag at all when towing a load? Also, did you replace the shocks? Brand? Im thinking of going this route. Thanks

rezrunner92 · 10-22-2006, 07:15 PM

That is what I plan to do when I get some 31" tires. Won't 33" work too with that setup?

In my opinion turning the bars up that little bit has far less negative effect on ride comfort than turning them down to match a saggy back.

Haven't towed a trailer or boat yet. I didn't replace the shocks yet either still got old worn out Ranchos on it.

xcmountain80 · 10-22-2006, 07:33 PM

You know I cant remember if he had 32" or 33" Super swampers on there..... But they certainly were not 31's. I think they might have been 32's but remeber the Super swampers are a lil bigger if not meatier than say an AT or an MT.

Aaron

Bear80 · 10-23-2006, 01:01 AM

The NAPA springs are great and can't beat the price! I towed my boat all the time and I could never tell the springs to pull down with the weight. They set the rear back to the stock height and ride great, if you take some load off the front bars and give it a slight rake to the rear you'll be surprised how nice the 4Runner will ride. I ran Ranchos before I knew better but it was ok, I'm sure a set of Billy's would make for a smooooth ride. I would also recommend Edelbrock ISA shocks, if they make them for the 4Runner. I run a set on my fzj80 and absolutely love them!

4mydogs · 10-23-2006, 07:50 AM

Downeys worked for me --
http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=53245

itsmeagain5789 · 10-23-2006, 02:33 PM

ok, for you guys that have added napa springs, is stock height leveled, or is it still an inch or 2 lower in the rear with the new springs. I took the runner to a friend of mynes shop were two tech's looked at it and told me that the springs were fine. I'm thinking that the person who had the car before me, may have lifted the front with the torsion bars. but it was a chic I bought it from, so i really doubt that. If so, is there a way to check that? keep in mind it is a 4x4, im not sure if that really matters in the back though. I also went out and measured the back. From the floor up to the highest point of the wheel well (on the outside), it is 34 inches. the front is a whole 2 1/2 inches taller. this is really bugging me. i was hoping the tech would just say the springs were bad. haha

rezrunner92 · 10-23-2006, 02:52 PM

I can't post a pic but it made mine perfectly level. The front fender wheel cutouts are higher so that may play a little trick on your eyes but mine is level.

People told me my springs were fine too but they weren't.

AH64ID · 10-23-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsmeagain5789

ok, for you guys that have added napa springs, is stock height leveled, or is it still an inch or 2 lower in the rear with the new springs. I took the runner to a friend of mynes shop were two tech's looked at it and told me that the springs were fine. I'm thinking that the person who had the car before me, may have lifted the front with the torsion bars. but it was a chic I bought it from, so i really doubt that. If so, is there a way to check that? keep in mind it is a 4x4, im not sure if that really matters in the back though. I also went out and measured the back. From the floor up to the highest point of the wheel well (on the outside), it is 34 inches. the front is a whole 2 1/2 inches taller. this is really bugging me. i was hoping the tech would just say the springs were bad. haha

The back wheel well is shorter than the front since the tires dont turn

Take a look at the roofline, not the wheel wells..

FredTJ · 10-23-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AH64ID

The back wheel well is shorter than the front since the tires dont turn

Take a look at the roofline, not the wheel wells..

Measure (with the vehicle on level ground) the distance between the bottom of the rocker (part under the door, so to speak) to the ground. Measure in two spots, right behind the rear of the front wheel well and right in the front of the rear wheel well.
That'll tell you for sure.

Fred

Bear80 · 10-23-2006, 08:39 PM

Here is the truck with NAPA springs, setting how it would stock. As stated before, the front fenders have a larger oppening, giving the illusion that the rear is lower.

This is how I ran it with a slight rake, made the gaps in the fenders look the same.

10-22-2006, 08:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	You want to raise the rear right? Performance Products springs, Old Man Emu springs, spacers. If all you do is raise the rear you wont have to touch the front. __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

10-22-2006, 08:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
keithguts Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bay Shore, NY Posts: 1,422	New springs will do it. I did ny 95 runner, and it now sit level. The new springd gave it a lift of about 3" __________________ IF YOU DON'T DRIVE A TOYOTA, TEST DRIVE ONE TODAY! MY PICS 95 4runner 3.0 auto 4x4 My Rig My Rig RangerMan Enjoy

10-22-2006, 08:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
gwhayduke Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,576	Cheap way: Adjust your torsion bars up front to lower the front end. But don't be surprised if you bottom out even more. Best way: See above posts. __________________ '99 4Runner SR5 4WD, 5-SPEED. Abzug's vehicle for urban expeditions, navigating flash floods and debris flows (try 12-15 inches of rain in one week). It always gets her home. '95 4Runner LIMITED 4WD, 5-SPEED, over a quarter million on the original 3vze & headgaskets. TRD heavy duty clutch, TRD heavy duty flywheel, OME 900 springs and shocks. This old gal has gotten me out into the field, and back for 8 years, never failed to start or gotten stuck.

10-22-2006, 08:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	One thing to remember is that a 1.5" spring will bring you up 1.5"es from stock, not where you sit now, so you need to get something to lift you over stock, not from where you are now.. make sence? __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

10-22-2006, 03:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
rezrunner92 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 401	I just did the NAPA springs recently. I would recommend it VERY highly if all you want to do is go back to stock height. This was the most notable thing I have done to improve my ride. Do Not turn your torsion bars down or you will ride even crappier than now. Forget about spacers completely unless you want to do a lift. Just go down to NAPA, I think my wholesale price on mine was $76. It took me 30 minutes to replace mine on the rack. __________________ 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Stock suspension, Warn manual hubs, 31" x 15" tires. 1992 Reg Cab P/U, 22RE, 4x4 5spd, work truck. 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Running Boards, Sunroof, Roof Rack, Stock Mall Runner 160,000 actual miles, wiped out bottom end, good heads, good transmission and SWEET, paid $800

10-22-2006, 08:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
mudbutt Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 107	One of the Techs I work with just put in some napa springs, they were $65? They are a progressive rate spring that returned his truck to stock rear height. This was on a 95 runner at was 1/2" from the bumpstops

10-22-2006, 04:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
itsmeagain5789 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 243	yea, what i meant by stock was to make it look like a stock vehicle. raise the rear a little bit to level it. i still want the nice 10 inch clearance up front. either new springs or spacers for the back, or anything else that'll keep it riding like stock, but mainly to raise the rear. sorry, i should have wrote that differently.

10-22-2006, 05:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Stock still has a sagging look to it, it takes about 1.5" of lift for a level stance. If you want a real nice level ride look at OME. __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

10-22-2006, 05:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
rezrunner92 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 401	The springs from NAPA made mine 100% level and I was about 1/2" away from bottom out. If you put spacers under worn out springs ya still have worn out springs is what i was trying to say before. __________________ 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Stock suspension, Warn manual hubs, 31" x 15" tires. 1992 Reg Cab P/U, 22RE, 4x4 5spd, work truck. 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Running Boards, Sunroof, Roof Rack, Stock Mall Runner 160,000 actual miles, wiped out bottom end, good heads, good transmission and SWEET, paid $800

10-22-2006, 06:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
mtsumedi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 254	I got some air bags to put in mine. Have been too lazy to put them in though. __________________ 1993 4Runner SR5 4x4 1995 Avalon XLS 1999 Coleman Bayside Pop Up Camper 2,700lbs 8-O

10-22-2006, 07:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
itsmeagain5789 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 243	i just checked napa's website and the coil springs are $86. i'll give the store a call tommorow just to be sure. hopefully that's all I need. __________________ Ed New rig - 2007 Silver Tacoma Double Cab 4x4 trd offroad, roofrack, tacoma weather mats, dealer alarm, bed/reverse lights, cb, Toytec 3 inch with 885's, aal's, dif drop, and shims 265/75/r16 cooper discover stt's on stock rim, custom made sliders, rear dif breather mod Former rig (SOLD. she will be missed) - 95 4x4 4runner 3.0 auto 161,000 miles ram off road grille guard and 2 pro comp 55 w lights. 1.5 inch rear springs from allpro offroad 32x11.50 bfg mud terrain(byebye gas mileage)

10-22-2006, 07:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,876	Hmmm stock is ok but heres what we did on my brothers 95, We used the 1.5" rear lift springs from AllPro Offroad then adjusted the torsion bars accordingly. Then got an alignment. looked great drove fine. Aaron Last edited by xcmountain80; 10-22-2006 at 07:12 PM.

10-22-2006, 07:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
Silverunner Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: TN Posts: 59	To those that have the NAPA springs, do they sag at all when towing a load? Also, did you replace the shocks? Brand? Im thinking of going this route. Thanks __________________ '92 4runner V6 auto '92 civic hatchback -DD

10-22-2006, 07:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
rezrunner92 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 401	That is what I plan to do when I get some 31" tires. Won't 33" work too with that setup? In my opinion turning the bars up that little bit has far less negative effect on ride comfort than turning them down to match a saggy back. Haven't towed a trailer or boat yet. I didn't replace the shocks yet either still got old worn out Ranchos on it. __________________ 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Stock suspension, Warn manual hubs, 31" x 15" tires. 1992 Reg Cab P/U, 22RE, 4x4 5spd, work truck. 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Running Boards, Sunroof, Roof Rack, Stock Mall Runner 160,000 actual miles, wiped out bottom end, good heads, good transmission and SWEET, paid $800 Last edited by rezrunner92; 10-22-2006 at 07:16 PM.

10-22-2006, 07:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
xcmountain80 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jupiter, FL Posts: 1,876	You know I cant remember if he had 32" or 33" Super swampers on there..... But they certainly were not 31's. I think they might have been 32's but remeber the Super swampers are a lil bigger if not meatier than say an AT or an MT. Aaron

10-23-2006, 07:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
4mydogs Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Galt's Gulch, SC Posts: 1,401	Downeys worked for me -- http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=53245 __________________ 1995 SR5 V-6 4WD Limited, 180k miles, 31X10.5 BFG All Terrain T/A KOs, Downey 1.5HD rear coils, 9" Doetsch MV-12s, Hella 1000 fog lights, Alpine XM/CD head unit, and rear window dog drool. That which you manifest is before you. -- Enzo

10-23-2006, 01:01 AM	#19 (permalink)
Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	The NAPA springs are great and can't beat the price! I towed my boat all the time and I could never tell the springs to pull down with the weight. They set the rear back to the stock height and ride great, if you take some load off the front bars and give it a slight rake to the rear you'll be surprised how nice the 4Runner will ride. I ran Ranchos before I knew better but it was ok, I'm sure a set of Billy's would make for a smooooth ride. I would also recommend Edelbrock ISA shocks, if they make them for the 4Runner. I run a set on my fzj80 and absolutely love them! __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

10-23-2006, 02:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
itsmeagain5789 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 243	ok, for you guys that have added napa springs, is stock height leveled, or is it still an inch or 2 lower in the rear with the new springs. I took the runner to a friend of mynes shop were two tech's looked at it and told me that the springs were fine. I'm thinking that the person who had the car before me, may have lifted the front with the torsion bars. but it was a chic I bought it from, so i really doubt that. If so, is there a way to check that? keep in mind it is a 4x4, im not sure if that really matters in the back though. I also went out and measured the back. From the floor up to the highest point of the wheel well (on the outside), it is 34 inches. the front is a whole 2 1/2 inches taller. this is really bugging me. i was hoping the tech would just say the springs were bad. haha __________________ Ed New rig - 2007 Silver Tacoma Double Cab 4x4 trd offroad, roofrack, tacoma weather mats, dealer alarm, bed/reverse lights, cb, Toytec 3 inch with 885's, aal's, dif drop, and shims 265/75/r16 cooper discover stt's on stock rim, custom made sliders, rear dif breather mod Former rig (SOLD. she will be missed) - 95 4x4 4runner 3.0 auto 161,000 miles ram off road grille guard and 2 pro comp 55 w lights. 1.5 inch rear springs from allpro offroad 32x11.50 bfg mud terrain(byebye gas mileage)

10-23-2006, 02:52 PM	#22 (permalink)
rezrunner92 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 401	I can't post a pic but it made mine perfectly level. The front fender wheel cutouts are higher so that may play a little trick on your eyes but mine is level. People told me my springs were fine too but they weren't. __________________ 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Stock suspension, Warn manual hubs, 31" x 15" tires. 1992 Reg Cab P/U, 22RE, 4x4 5spd, work truck. 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Running Boards, Sunroof, Roof Rack, Stock Mall Runner 160,000 actual miles, wiped out bottom end, good heads, good transmission and SWEET, paid $800

10-23-2006, 08:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	Here is the truck with NAPA springs, setting how it would stock. As stated before, the front fenders have a larger oppening, giving the illusion that the rear is lower. This is how I ran it with a slight rake, made the gaps in the fenders look the same. __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

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