Badfish740

Anyone ever purchase an engine from these guys? The price is right but the description is a little funny. Here is the description of the short block:

That sounds great, but then there's this:



If they're not remanufacturing engines why do they need cores? Where would they be getting brand new 22REs? I don't really care if the engine is new or remanufactured as long as its fresh, the description just seemed strange to me. Still, a brand new/remanufactured engine for less than $1400 shipped sounds either really good or too good to be true? I did a search and could only find one reference to them over the entire site. The poster just said they once got a bad engine from them. I'd like to find out more before I go with one negative review. Here's the site:

http://toyotatruckengine.com/product...products_id=88

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

They get money for cores and/or rebuild them I guess.

Try

Rebuild it yourself with engnbldr

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Badfish740

I'm confident in my ability to do a lot of things with cars and trucks, but rebuilding engines isn't one of them. Also, with my schedule by the time I pull the engine, disassemble it, bring the head and block to the machine shop, get it back, and start putting it together it could take months. Plus I'd be too afraid of screwing something up in the assembly process anyway. With this option I could pull the old engine one weekend, have the new one ordered, and install it the following weekend. I just want to find out if they're quality engines or not.

bryce_dielman

i rebuilt mine with all the parts through http://www.japanengine.com/ i was very satisfied with prices and shipping was fast hope this helps

tj884Rdlx

their "contact us" info provided an address in Colorado Springs. I google searched the street address and the phone number, which conjured up another site, toyotacarpart.com, and a business name, APR auto care.

maybe some colorado guys here are familiar with this shop. their car site says they're since '82.


i had a shade-tree mech. install what he described as a 'new' block for me a year ago. he also offered a 3yr-unltd. mil. warranty with it. i wonder if he sourced it from these guys. i can't imagine too many makers of "new" 22re's, but i can say the engine i've got is stronger than i expected. i don't know if they're chinese-origin or what. good luck finding out more info and making an educated purchase.

Badfish740

I would be that he either got it through them or whoever they get them from. So you're happy with the engine thus far? How many miles have you put on it? Did you do any performance upgrades while you were at it? I didn't realize the Chinese were copying/remanufacturing automotive engines these days. If they are Chinese I'm kind of torn...quality on Chinese made stuff is all over the place. The Honda clones that Harbor Freight sells most people rave about. They're a very popular repower option for log splitters (the engine wears out way before the splitter does), but it's hard to say whether or not a Chinese made 22RE would be a good buy. I'll keep looking around and maybe call the company.

ian1386

No experience with them, but it looks like they sell remanufactured engines as well as new ones, which is why they want the core even with a new engine purchase.

tj884Rdlx

he wasn't clear on the source, but did say it was a new, not rebuilt, and he said it comes with 3yr-unlimted warranty, which is what made me think to bring it up. not too often do you hear that.

he affixed one of those overheat strips on the block, and said as long as that thing is in good condition, he'd honor the warranty if anything went wrong. i will try to find a serial # on the block and post it, if anyone knows how to decode those and see if it's in fact a rebuild OEM or some other maker.

i had a long block installed and set up completely stock for ease of maintenance. no trick air cleaners, nothing. all emissions connected and functioning. aftermarket oem-style exhaust manifold into 2" exhaust with new cat and a basic muffler.

i had a shop troubleshoot the timing on it, and they suggested that the marks on the engine were not jiving with their instruments, and they were able to get more power out of it by using their own. i think they said it's 8* advanced.

but it performs awesomely so far, and has about 15k on it now. i can do 80mph down the interstate with it, and still have half a pedal left, not even floored. (i'm afraid to push it faster just cuz it's a light and tall SUV)

it accelerates solid and smoothly up to 5k if i push it, but i usually shift at 4k. it accelerates in 5th. so, this particular engine has really satisfied me.

i'll see about getting that serial # and maybe it will provide some more info for us. but someone out there is making a decent 22RE.

Badfish740

Thanks for pointing that out. I did a little more looking and found that their remanufactured 22RE long block goes for $1395. I called asked if they were Chinese copies and the girl on the phone said that she can't name their suppliers but that they are 100% Japanese products. The remans are done in-house at their facility. I'm still not totally convinced, but it's worth checking out more. I think I might talk to a buddy who is friendly with the parts and service department at one of the local dealers and see if he's/they've heard of them. Still, a rebuild of my current engine would definitely be cheaper with an engbldr kit. Its the time issue that has me looking at the ready-to-go longblocks. I guess if I got everything organized ahead of time I could get it done quickly provided the machine shop could give me a decent turnaround. Maybe they could assemble the long block for me too? I'd imagine that for a shop that does these often they could get it together pretty quick.

The girl I spoke with mentioned that any warranty claim needs to include a picture of the heat strip to make sure the engine was not overheated-I bet it was the same company.

tj884Rdlx

that is a very interesting bit of info, thanx for mentioning it!

wyoming9

iTrader: (1)

Another option find a long block to rebuild . have it all done then decide on a weekend round up some good help .

In and out in one day no real down time Still come out cheaper in the long run.

If you know of a Good*** automotive machine shop let me know????

Most all these companies will do all they can to wiggle out of warranties and blame the user

phildelfino

i called them and was told they only do toyota engines, 22re, 3vze and 5vze(3.4L).

with only a $200 core charge it is worth it to not give them your core and rebuild it yourself. that's the cheapest core charge i've seen.

i'm thinking of buying a 3.0L from them, keeping my core and rebuilding mine.

i think the prices have come down a bit since august when i first talked to them.

Badfish740

All good points. So added it all up and figured out that the Engbldr kit plus all of the extras (261C cam, water pump, timing cover, and assuming that I need a full set of head components) comes to just under $550. Does anyone know what a reasonable price would be for run-of-the-mill machine work and assembly on a 22RE? If I can get it done for $500-600 I'd still be out way ahead of a new or remanufactured long block, plus it would be better than stock with the 261C cam.

tj884Rdlx

spoke to this outfit today. seems their record keeping is um, LAX. they told me they don't log the engine serial # or the heat strip serial # when they sell engine. only the purchaser's name. they had no record of my name or my installer's name. but they did indicate their new engines have blocks painted black, which is what i have.

so it's possible my engine came from THEIR source, but who knows who else is selling engines from that same source.

wish i could have provided more info. seems there's NO WAY TO TRACK 22RE ENGINE SERIAL NUMBERS ANYWHERE. i've looked all morning online, can't find anything on it.

wyoming9

iTrader: (1)

If you are going to go the engine builder route why not just buy a new head with the over size valves and the cam you want?? I would guess till you pay to have a head rebuilt it would be cheaper to buy just what you want..

I am talking rebuilt not just a quick valve job.

Then you only need to worry about machine work for the block

83pingpong

Every reputable remanufactured engine seller out there has a few bad reports (including "Toyota Truck Engines" or APR auto- new everything?). It really makes you wonder. Parts suppliers like engnbldr have a clean record because of the unblemished reputation and quality of the parts manufacturers, but then you are faced with finding a good machine shop for the critical work of preparing those bearing surfaces and cylinders. There is no sure way to get from A to B without some risk.

There is a lot of down time at play with a rebuild, and if you work a full scheduled fulltime job, and have to squeeze in the rebuild time around kids activities (which should be a priority!), and other stuff.

One good alternative I can think of is to find a used block that has not been abused or damaged (threads, overheating, etc), so you can take your time on the rebuild. Maybe an old beat up Camry or Corolla is the place to go there. Take the engine, chuck the rest. Take your chances on a reputable machine shop, buy the parts from engnbldr, and cross your fingers!

The other alternative is to buy a rebuilt longblock from one of the many, many sources out there, be careful breaking it in and hope for the best. As attractive as this alternative is, I have to say that finding a used block and doing it yourself is the most likely to succeed route. More work, but do it yourself and you can be sure it is done right. Lots of examples right here on this forum prove it, over and over.

I have GOT to find a used 22R block. My engine stand awaits.

RyanV

iTrader: (1)

It should be noted that they don't want the core. I spoke to them on the phone and he changed the website to say no core needed.

Dunno man...the guy said they never had one of the new engines comes back and that their new head is better than the Topline casting.

??

83pingpong

Toyotatruckengine.com shows a $75 core charge for the long block, and it is up to $1650. Short block is $1200.

I found a cheap used 22r. Looks like from a Camry or something (throttle linkage looks like from a sedan).

But it is a rebuilt engine, so what I am going to do is strip it down to long block and swap over my components, then install this as a temporary engine. I'll get to work on my original block, which has never been rebuilt.

The temporary engine will probably run crappy, leak oil, or whatever. If it runs OK, I'll take videos and sell it after I swap in my rebuild.

Unfortunately I can't do it now, because I don't have my garage done yet. I want to finish the garage this Summer. So the project will have to wait. Damn. Lucky the truck is still running fine. It does not smoke, and does not leak oil, but consumes it fast enough to check every 1000 miles! 230k miles so I guess it is blow by at cylinders and maybe a little at valve guides. I just hope the timing chain tensioner keeps it together!

RyanV

iTrader: (1)

I meant their new motors have no core charge anymore and shipping is cheap to your doorstep.

He said everything is new down to the last nut or bolt. Not rebuilt and it's done by million dollar robotic machines. The deck is also prepped properly for a metal layet steel headgasket. Also the head they sell is close to a billet aluminum. I'm just repeating what he told me.

http://www.toyotatruckengine.com/bra...-all-new-22re/

Now that ripoff report I read about this company stated that they asked for the heat tab that would indicate an overheat situation. If the engine is overheating it shouldn't be run and needs to be troubleshot. You can't blame the engine builder for the motor getting too hot.

83pingpong

I see. I did not look in their new engines links. Where could they buy new engine blocks... China?