Do It YourSelf Quality Spray in Bed Liner?

SuaveGato · 05-07-2006, 04:07 PM

Hello,
Just wondering if there is such a thing as a Quality, Do It YourSelf, Spray in Bed Liner? I have a compressor, I have a gun (several actually) and am willing to sacrifice a nozzle if I have to modify it, drill it open etc. I have tried the Herculiner kit, it’s crap really. Is there any way to get professional results, or at least close to it at home? Anywhere to buy the “one part” material? i.e. Speedliner, Scorpion Liner, Mega Liner, Super Liner etc… instead of the two part components? Or is it just not worth it and am I better off to just pay a professional place?

The reason I ask is that I want to coat some pretty unorthodox things and so would have to find a pro place that is willing to work with me… And, as I build and weld stuff, I’d like to find a way to coat it myself instead of having to go back to a dealer.

Thanks,
biGjOhn

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rimpainter.com · 05-07-2006, 04:18 PM

I used to work for Rhino Linings. If you think Herculiner is crap, then you aren't going to find anything else that meets your standards for "unorthodox" items. Take a look at this thread. Do you still think Herculiner looks like crap? If so, then go professional for your items.

If you are looking to coat items that will be considered high wear, then go for something professional, such as Rhino.

SuaveGato · 05-07-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <96 Runner>

I used to work for Rhino Linings.

So are you saying then that Herculiner is as good as Rhino linings? I'm not sure what inference you are trying to draw by stating that you used to work for Rhino linings?

Quote:

Originally Posted by <96 Runner>

If you think Herculiner is crap, then you aren't going to find anything else that meets your standards for "unorthodox" items.

I tried it on several different surfaces and didn't have very good results with adhesion, longevity or "evenness". And I prepped everything better than directed and used the xylotone stuff or whatever it's called?

Quote:

Originally Posted by <96 Runner>

Take a look at this thread. Do you still think Herculiner looks like crap? If so, then go professional for your items.

that's looks pretty good for DIY but still doesn't look nearly as good to me as professional? That's kind of why I posted here, to see if anyone has tried spraying on anything at home, instead of rolling?

Quote:

Originally Posted by <96 Runner>

If you are looking to coat items that will be considered high wear, then go for something professional, such as Rhino.

yeah, some will be high wear, some will be "cosmetic"... Have you ever tried doing rims on a truck? I was thinking of trying that? Just for S&G?
I often want to coat various things that I weld up... varmint shooting stands, motorcycle & atv racks and parts, etc... but I have also been toying with the idea of doing the lower third on my 1996 Tacoma, the floor pans and maybe the rims too? also thought I might try doing the plastic fenders on one of my old Honda ATC's that are cracked?
thanks,
John

hosh · 05-07-2006, 05:15 PM

I've sprayed duplicolor on a truck bed. Its looks nice, but isn't something for high wear. You will need a spray gun designed for spraying liner material. Mine has about a 1/4" nozzel. And your compressor needs to be able to keep up with that size spray gun. With my little pancake compressor it took awhile.

rimpainter.com · 05-07-2006, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuaveGato

So are you saying then that Herculiner is as good as Rhino linings? I'm not sure what inference you are trying to draw by stating that you used to work for Rhino linings?

No, definitely not. However, for parts in low-wear areas I think Herculiner is just fine.

Quote:

I tried it on several different surfaces and didn't have very good results with adhesion, longevity or "evenness". And I prepped everything better than directed and used the xylotone stuff or whatever it's called?
that's looks pretty good for DIY but still doesn't look nearly as good to me as professional? That's kind of why I posted here, to see if anyone has tried spraying on anything at home, instead of rolling?

That's cool. It's hard to get a feel for exactly what others want over the net. My Herc job is far from perfect, this I know. A spray gun would have been more even, but the end product just isn't as durable as some of the professional liners out there. So there lies the dilemma.

Quote:

Have you ever tried doing rims on a truck? I was thinking of trying that?

No, haven't tried that. However, I have painted my rims. I don't think I would like textured rims, but that's just me.

SuaveGato · 05-07-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hosh

I've sprayed duplicolor on a truck bed. Its looks nice, but isn't something for high wear. You will need a spray gun designed for spraying liner material. Mine has about a 1/4" nozzle. And your compressor needs to be able to keep up with that size spray gun. With my little pancake compressor it took awhile.

I still have 9/10 of my can of Herculiner, maybe I will try spraying some and see if I get better results? I don't have a gun specifically for spraying liner material or undercoating though. I will poke around online and see what I can come up with without breaking the bank or I may play around with drilling out the nozzle on one of mine?
thanks,
biGjOhn

SuaveGato · 05-13-2006, 05:30 PM

Hello again. Ok so check this out. I found this “hopper” style texture sprayer at Harbor freight tools on sale for $19.99. http://tinyurl.com/nak7u It has Nozzles of 4,6 & 8 mm. I’m gonna give it a try with the Herculiner that I have left and see how it goes? If I can get “decent” results by spraying it with this hopper gun I may do the whole dang truck! Will post results but it will be a while before I get to it, too many projects in the hopper… Just wanted to share that “find” with others…

Thanks,

Tanto · 05-13-2006, 06:17 PM

coating your rims with something like herculiner is going to get ripped up. Since you don't have your location filled in, I'll just say that sand will destroy anything short of linex or rhino.

CoedNaked · 05-13-2006, 06:33 PM

I don't think "quality" and "do-it yourself bedliner" can be put in the same sentence. I just have yet to hear of anything that can even compare or stand up to the abuse my Line-X Over the rail has stood up to. The line-x liners have a warranty on them, they look great, they are durable as hell, and it's done right the first time so you won't have anything to worry about. Perhaps a spray on yourself might work again as mentioned above, in a low wear area, but otherwise I say go hard or go home, and suck it up and wait til you have the cash. There is a $20 off coupon you can print off of the Line-x website that dealers should accept.

fnrunner · 05-22-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuaveGato

Hello again. Ok so check this out. I found this “hopper” style texture sprayer at Harbor freight tools on sale for $19.99. http://tinyurl.com/nak7u It has Nozzles of 4,6 & 8 mm. I’m gonna give it a try with the Herculiner that I have left and see how it goes? If I can get “decent” results by spraying it with this hopper gun I may do the whole dang truck! Will post results but it will be a while before I get to it, too many projects in the hopper… Just wanted to share that “find” with others…

Thanks,

Any luck using the hopper gun yet?? Just curious as to how it turned out.
I'm not sure herculiner is thick enough, but it might be. I've personally never seen the stuff after it's mixed, but what a friend tells me is that's it's thicker than say house paint. Might work well with the 4mm nozzle - should produce a "fine" texture.

Bob_98SR5 · 05-22-2006, 10:48 AM

i dont have a truck, but if i did, a spray on bed liner would be one of those areas where i would NOT skimp. it will get abused like no other, so why go cheap? furthermore, what if you decided that the cheap stuff was not a good investment and then decided to get a real bed liner sprayed in? i am sure that shop would charge you up the yin yang to have it removed too

rimpainter.com · 05-22-2006, 11:03 AM

^ that is correct Bob. Back in '97, we used to charge $300 or so to take out junk DIY liners. In fact, not to start a war here, but I also stripped a significant amount of Line X liners from trucks to put in Rhino. Maybe their process has changed, but in the past Line X was crap.

fnrunner · 05-23-2006, 07:19 PM

I can't imagine trying to remove any "professionally" installed liner....$300 is cheap in my book for that kind of work!
So any updates Suave? I'm just curious....

SuaveGato · 05-24-2006, 10:00 PM

Hello all,
Unfortunately, no updates yet… Been busy with other projects around the house… pouring concrete, painting etc. I have the hopper and the 9/10th or so gallon of Herculiner left. I am going to try it on some other things before the truck, if I do it to the truck at all? I have some widgets that I have been wanting to coat anyway, we’ll see how it goes? If I could find a Line-X or Rhino here in California for $300, I’d just do that for sure… but everything is more $ out here! Plus, I want to do the floor pans and lower third “rocker” panels too… all of that would probably be bucks out here! Haven’t gotten any quotes yet, but I’m guessing $600 - $800? We’ll see. I did find another product that was recommended to me by someone else who has used it. Might be worth a try too? It’s called Raptor Liner made by U-Pol. Some guy on eBay sells it: http://tinyurl.com/g5x2v And they have a website too: http://tinyurl.com/gven2
I talked to the guy today and said that he has sold it to numerous people for floor pans and bedliners and he also has a rock chip prevention coating that is popular too.. said it is a little more pliable, thicker and more “rubbery”. I’ll post more info. and or pix when I get going on this project but I have a long list of “honey Do’s” right now…

Thanks,

dewey · 06-02-2006, 09:33 PM

does anyone have pictures of a red truck with the bottoms of the doors herculined? i have a red 2nd gen and i think this might be something i want to do.

also, can this stuff be put on over rust? maybe used as a rust stopper? thanks for the info

ecchamberlin · 06-02-2006, 09:48 PM

I have done it both ways. I did it myself in my 99 Taco and it was okay but to keep it from scratching through to the metal I had to put in a rubber mat which is a good idea anyway. On our 04 Taco I took it straight over to LineX in National City CA and had them do it. I am really happy with it so far 2 years later.

Why did I do it myself the first time around? Because I could not afford to do it right in my opinion. Not trying to be a jerk but that is honestly what drives most of our purchasing decisions.

The guys at LineX did an outstanding job with the prep work which is what makes or breaks this stuff IMO. They also gave me a written guarantee that says if it gets dinged or comes off at all to bring it in and they will fix it free. They had a truck in while mine was there that a guy had accidentally dumped hot grill coals on and melted it. They were fixing it for free. They said they were fixing it because it had their name plate on it even though it was his mistake. That is the type of company I want to do business with.

I have friends who also say Rhino linings are excellent.

You get what you pay for IMO!

fnrunner · 06-05-2006, 11:24 AM

It will adhere to rust, but I would HIGHLY recommend removing & treating the areas first. Spray in liners will just trap rust in & it WILL continue to rust/ munch away at the steel.

Stomis · 04-08-2007, 05:44 PM

If you completly cover rust it doesnt keep going. When Oxygen is cut fromt he rust it stops because it require it to continue. Now if the rust is coming through the other side and you only do one side thats a different story.

fnrunner · 04-10-2007, 08:52 AM

so how would you explain a rust bubble in a relatively fresh paint job (1-2yrs old)? Where there's no top surface paint chip or otherwise solid steel on the back side.

It came down to prep work & making sure ALL the rust was killed (converted to black oxide or completely removed with new steel) prior to spraying the epoxy primer/sealer.

cheers!

gilby4runner · 04-10-2007, 09:25 AM

I had an 87 truck and they supposedly got rid of the rust... 1 year later it was back. If you dont cut it out and rid the truck of all of it the rust will return. Maybe in your case maybe the rust was in early stages and they didnt catch it. That was the body shops excuse for my truck...just my .02 not sure it helped much

WSUWESTON · 04-10-2007, 12:44 PM

I rolled my interior a couple months ago. I would have loved to have it sprayed by a shop, but they quoted me at $500. I can think of a lot of other things I would rather spend that much on. Plus it is not going to get the wear a bed will.

Swansen · 08-29-2007, 09:29 AM

well, just for added info, and i realize this is an old thread, i've been doing a crap ton of research and this is what it seems to come down to. There are to types of liner, polyurea elastomer and polyurethane. The only real difference i have found is that the polyurethane fades and chalks while the polyurea doesn't, granted if you use a UV top coat then the polyurethane option isn't works out much better. Other than that, they really seem to be the same thing, people say the polyurea is stronger and holds better, but i have no proof against or for that statement. However regardless of what you do, proper prep work seems to be key. Make sure the area is really roughed up and very clean. On a last note, spray on seems to be the best option for durability regardless of which type of liner you choose, so if you can get an undercoating gun and spray it on.

Meighty · 08-29-2007, 10:02 AM

I've been wanting to put a DIY liner inside my truck on the floor pans. I read up above that someone did this. My question is...How has it held up? Any weird wear? Pictures by chance?

Plan:
I need to replace the old bench seat in my truck with something else. I can (hopefully) get my hands on a nice set of free audi seats. While i have the old seat out, I'll pull the carpet and put in a liner. Something like herculiner.

Swansen · 08-29-2007, 06:22 PM

well, here is a link to another thread with some pictures of DIYers. Oh yeah, make sure to see if you can get a UV mix for that, or buy the UV topcoat

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/herculine...er-pics-83409/

WSUWESTON · 08-29-2007, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meighty

I've been wanting to put a DIY liner inside my truck on the floor pans. I read up above that someone did this. My question is...How has it held up? Any weird wear? Pictures by chance?

Plan:
I need to replace the old bench seat in my truck with something else. I can (hopefully) get my hands on a nice set of free audi seats. While i have the old seat out, I'll pull the carpet and put in a liner. Something like herculiner.

I did my interior with DIY Bed Liner. You can see pics on my build post. In the first gen section, Daves 82 build or something like that. It has held up very well. I put extra coats where my feet would wear it down while driving. I love it

05-07-2006, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	I used to work for Rhino Linings. If you think Herculiner is crap, then you aren't going to find anything else that meets your standards for "unorthodox" items. Take a look at this thread. Do you still think Herculiner looks like crap? If so, then go professional for your items. If you are looking to coat items that will be considered high wear, then go for something professional, such as Rhino. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-07-2006, 05:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
hosh Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: skiatook ok Posts: 240	I've sprayed duplicolor on a truck bed. Its looks nice, but isn't something for high wear. You will need a spray gun designed for spraying liner material. Mine has about a 1/4" nozzel. And your compressor needs to be able to keep up with that size spray gun. With my little pancake compressor it took awhile. __________________ 95' 4runner -- sold 82' 4x4 -- organ donor for the 93 - but for now summertime playtoy 93' 4x4 extended cab --- Mods; buffalo dents- Future mods; SAS, 33"s, dual cases, motor rebuild 85' MR2 -- It Liiiiivvvveeeeessss!!!! and is almost on the road 87' EX500 -- basket case frankenbike "life, liberty and the pursuit of all those who threaten us"

05-13-2006, 06:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
CoedNaked Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,473	I don't think "quality" and "do-it yourself bedliner" can be put in the same sentence. I just have yet to hear of anything that can even compare or stand up to the abuse my Line-X Over the rail has stood up to. The line-x liners have a warranty on them, they look great, they are durable as hell, and it's done right the first time so you won't have anything to worry about. Perhaps a spray on yourself might work again as mentioned above, in a low wear area, but otherwise I say go hard or go home, and suck it up and wait til you have the cash. There is a $20 off coupon you can print off of the Line-x website that dealers should accept. __________________ 1993 Xtra Cab Pickup \| 4x4 \| 3.0 - V6 \| R150F \| Silver-Grey \| Amsoil 10w30 synthetic oil \| Amsoil Synthetic Drivetrain fluids\| Borla Cat-back Exhaust \| OME HD Leaf Springs \| Bilstein HD Shocks \| Downey Idler Arm Brace \| Grey Husky Liners \| SR5 Bucket Seat Swap \| Color matched Canopy \| Yakima racks \| Line-X OTR \| Michelin LTX A/T 31 x 10.5 x 15 \| 323,600 KM's (202,250 miles) \| Made in Japan - Vin starts with "J"\| Fish on

05-22-2006, 11:03 AM	#12 (permalink)
rimpainter.com Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,797	^ that is correct Bob. Back in '97, we used to charge $300 or so to take out junk DIY liners. In fact, not to start a war here, but I also stripped a significant amount of Line X liners from trucks to put in Rhino. Maybe their process has changed, but in the past Line X was crap. __________________ www.rimpainter.com Get your O Gasket Mod Here! My SC'd 4Runner's Profile My YouTube vids

05-23-2006, 07:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
fnrunner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kokomo, IN Posts: 251	I can't imagine trying to remove any "professionally" installed liner....$300 is cheap in my book for that kind of work! So any updates Suave? I'm just curious.... __________________ Eric 89 'Runner SR5 - 3.0 / 5 spd / 31x10.50's / TRD Clutch / custom front & rear bumper -everything else, stock for now. Freshly Exo'd 85 'Runner SR5 - Orient reman'd 22RE w/Marlin HD clutch / Rears Up front custom pack, 63 Chevy's / Marlin's Billet 6-shooter arms & hi-steer & IFS box / Cooper 35x12.5s STT's / Custom OD green softtop...PICS

05-13-2006, 05:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
SuaveGato Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 128	Hello again. Ok so check this out. I found this “hopper” style texture sprayer at Harbor freight tools on sale for $19.99. http://tinyurl.com/nak7u It has Nozzles of 4,6 & 8 mm. I’m gonna give it a try with the Herculiner that I have left and see how it goes? If I can get “decent” results by spraying it with this hopper gun I may do the whole dang truck! Will post results but it will be a while before I get to it, too many projects in the hopper… Just wanted to share that “find” with others… Thanks,

05-22-2006, 10:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	i dont have a truck, but if i did, a spray on bed liner would be one of those areas where i would NOT skimp. it will get abused like no other, so why go cheap? furthermore, what if you decided that the cheap stuff was not a good investment and then decided to get a real bed liner sprayed in? i am sure that shop would charge you up the yin yang to have it removed too

05-24-2006, 10:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
SuaveGato Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 128	Nothing Yet.... stay tuned. Hello all, Unfortunately, no updates yet… Been busy with other projects around the house… pouring concrete, painting etc. I have the hopper and the 9/10th or so gallon of Herculiner left. I am going to try it on some other things before the truck, if I do it to the truck at all? I have some widgets that I have been wanting to coat anyway, we’ll see how it goes? If I could find a Line-X or Rhino here in California for $300, I’d just do that for sure… but everything is more $ out here! Plus, I want to do the floor pans and lower third “rocker” panels too… all of that would probably be bucks out here! Haven’t gotten any quotes yet, but I’m guessing $600 - $800? We’ll see. I did find another product that was recommended to me by someone else who has used it. Might be worth a try too? It’s called Raptor Liner made by U-Pol. Some guy on eBay sells it: http://tinyurl.com/g5x2v And they have a website too: http://tinyurl.com/gven2 I talked to the guy today and said that he has sold it to numerous people for floor pans and bedliners and he also has a rock chip prevention coating that is popular too.. said it is a little more pliable, thicker and more “rubbery”. I’ll post more info. and or pix when I get going on this project but I have a long list of “honey Do’s” right now… Thanks,

06-02-2006, 09:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
dewey Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 69	does anyone have pictures of a red truck with the bottoms of the doors herculined? i have a red 2nd gen and i think this might be something i want to do. also, can this stuff be put on over rust? maybe used as a rust stopper? thanks for the info __________________ 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Highlander Sport

06-02-2006, 09:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
ecchamberlin Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,917	I have done it both ways. I did it myself in my 99 Taco and it was okay but to keep it from scratching through to the metal I had to put in a rubber mat which is a good idea anyway. On our 04 Taco I took it straight over to LineX in National City CA and had them do it. I am really happy with it so far 2 years later. Why did I do it myself the first time around? Because I could not afford to do it right in my opinion. Not trying to be a jerk but that is honestly what drives most of our purchasing decisions. The guys at LineX did an outstanding job with the prep work which is what makes or breaks this stuff IMO. They also gave me a written guarantee that says if it gets dinged or comes off at all to bring it in and they will fix it free. They had a truck in while mine was there that a guy had accidentally dumped hot grill coals on and melted it. They were fixing it for free. They said they were fixing it because it had their name plate on it even though it was his mistake. That is the type of company I want to do business with. I have friends who also say Rhino linings are excellent. You get what you pay for IMO! __________________ Eric 2001 4Runner with stuff: http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.ph...6&topic=1098.0

06-05-2006, 11:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
fnrunner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kokomo, IN Posts: 251	It will adhere to rust, but I would HIGHLY recommend removing & treating the areas first. Spray in liners will just trap rust in & it WILL continue to rust/ munch away at the steel. __________________ Eric 89 'Runner SR5 - 3.0 / 5 spd / 31x10.50's / TRD Clutch / custom front & rear bumper -everything else, stock for now. Freshly Exo'd 85 'Runner SR5 - Orient reman'd 22RE w/Marlin HD clutch / Rears Up front custom pack, 63 Chevy's / Marlin's Billet 6-shooter arms & hi-steer & IFS box / Cooper 35x12.5s STT's / Custom OD green softtop...PICS

04-08-2007, 05:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
Stomis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Point Pleasant NJ Posts: 630	If you completly cover rust it doesnt keep going. When Oxygen is cut fromt he rust it stops because it require it to continue. Now if the rust is coming through the other side and you only do one side thats a different story. __________________ 87 Chevy- Flatbed, dana 44 lockright, Custom 10.5 14 bolt lockright, 36 TSL radials

04-10-2007, 08:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
fnrunner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kokomo, IN Posts: 251	so how would you explain a rust bubble in a relatively fresh paint job (1-2yrs old)? Where there's no top surface paint chip or otherwise solid steel on the back side. It came down to prep work & making sure ALL the rust was killed (converted to black oxide or completely removed with new steel) prior to spraying the epoxy primer/sealer. cheers! __________________ Eric 89 'Runner SR5 - 3.0 / 5 spd / 31x10.50's / TRD Clutch / custom front & rear bumper -everything else, stock for now. Freshly Exo'd 85 'Runner SR5 - Orient reman'd 22RE w/Marlin HD clutch / Rears Up front custom pack, 63 Chevy's / Marlin's Billet 6-shooter arms & hi-steer & IFS box / Cooper 35x12.5s STT's / Custom OD green softtop...PICS

04-10-2007, 12:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
WSUWESTON Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver, Wa Posts: 440	I rolled my interior a couple months ago. I would have loved to have it sprayed by a shop, but they quoted me at $500. I can think of a lot of other things I would rather spend that much on. Plus it is not going to get the wear a bed will.

08-29-2007, 09:29 AM	#22 (permalink)
Swansen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 434	well, just for added info, and i realize this is an old thread, i've been doing a crap ton of research and this is what it seems to come down to. There are to types of liner, polyurea elastomer and polyurethane. The only real difference i have found is that the polyurethane fades and chalks while the polyurea doesn't, granted if you use a UV top coat then the polyurethane option isn't works out much better. Other than that, they really seem to be the same thing, people say the polyurea is stronger and holds better, but i have no proof against or for that statement. However regardless of what you do, proper prep work seems to be key. Make sure the area is really roughed up and very clean. On a last note, spray on seems to be the best option for durability regardless of which type of liner you choose, so if you can get an undercoating gun and spray it on.

08-29-2007, 10:02 AM	#23 (permalink)
Meighty Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 8	I've been wanting to put a DIY liner inside my truck on the floor pans. I read up above that someone did this. My question is...How has it held up? Any weird wear? Pictures by chance? Plan: I need to replace the old bench seat in my truck with something else. I can (hopefully) get my hands on a nice set of free audi seats. While i have the old seat out, I'll pull the carpet and put in a liner. Something like herculiner. __________________ When I read about the perils of drinking I had to give up reading...

08-29-2007, 06:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Swansen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 434	well, here is a link to another thread with some pictures of DIYers. Oh yeah, make sure to see if you can get a UV mix for that, or buy the UV topcoat http://www.yotatech.com/f2/herculine...er-pics-83409/

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