Clutch/flywheel question

jddelrosso · 07-02-2008, 07:31 AM

So I shot from the hip when purchasing parts to swap my motor and figured I may as well swap the clutch flywheel and pressure plate while the motor was out of the truck. So I bought an excedy kit off of EBAY thinking I would be set. I looked at the kit again today for no reason other then boredom and noticed that it says the flywheel is only good for 89-95 2wd trucks and 89-92 4wd. I have a 94 4wd truck, but the motor and tranny I am using came from an 87. I assume then that the kit will work but before I install it I would like to know if I am correct.

Oh, and now that I think about it is there anything special I need to do to swap the older transmission into the truck or should everything bolt up?

Thanks for any info
Jeremy

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FredTJ · 07-02-2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jddelrosso

So I shot from the hip when purchasing parts to swap my motor and figured I may as well swap the clutch flywheel and pressure plate while the motor was out of the truck. So I bought an excedy kit off of EBAY thinking I would be set. I looked at the kit again today for no reason other then boredom and noticed that it says the flywheel is only good for 89-95 2wd trucks and 89-92 4wd. I have a 94 4wd truck, but the motor and tranny I am using came from an 87. I assume then that the kit will work but before I install it I would like to know if I am correct.

Oh, and now that I think about it is there anything special I need to do to swap the older transmission into the truck or should everything bolt up?

Thanks for any info
Jeremy

I don't have any answers to your specific questions however what you are doing is illegal and you're opening yourself up to a possible $2500.00 fine.

Fred

Josh.Photo · 07-02-2008, 06:22 PM

Fred. What is illegal about what he wants to do?

not trying to be a jerk or anything, but an honest question.

Jay351 · 07-02-2008, 06:30 PM

Please tell me what he is doing that is illegal. I would really like to know.

Im assuming you are running a 22re (or possibly a 22r), what transmission though?

crews462 · 07-02-2008, 06:38 PM

I'd be curious what's illegal as well.?

89silverpu · 07-02-2008, 06:43 PM

Yeah? Its illegal to put the wrong parts on a vehicle?

FredTJ · 07-02-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crews462

I'd be curious what's illegal as well.?

It's illegal to put an engine from an older model year into a newer model year vehicle. EPA, emissions, etc.

You simply can't do that.

Fred

89silverpu · 07-02-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredTJ

It's illegal to put an engine from an older model year into a newer model year vehicle. EPA, emissions, etc.

You simply can't do that.

Fred

Huh...never new that, sorta makes sense though, but does it matter if its the same engine?

FredTJ · 07-02-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89silverpu

Huh...never new that, sorta makes sense though, but does it matter if its the same engine?

Doesn't matter.
If you think about it for more than a nano second or two, you'll realize that the emission on the '94 engine is a lot less than that on the older one.

Fred

crews462 · 07-02-2008, 07:03 PM

Does that make it a state by state law? Vt doesn't test emissions upon inspection (at least on my 89)

FredTJ · 07-02-2008, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crews462

Does that make it a state by state law? Vt doesn't test emissions upon inspection (at least on my 89)

NO, it has nothing to do with a state testing or not.
IT IS A FEDERAL, EPA, LAW

Fred

crews462 · 07-02-2008, 07:15 PM

thanks fred

jddelrosso · 07-03-2008, 07:21 AM

I as well thought that was a state by state law. I am also not worried though because my dad does NY state inspections for me and at the same time on the 94 it is just a safety inspection so they only check out lights, brakes and whatnot. So thank you for the warning, and Ill watch my back for the legal problems I may run into.

Back to the original issue, it is a 22re motor, I just looked at the old and new flywheel side by side and did not see any real difference, Im going to examine the clutch and flywheel tonight, what should I look for in order to tell if they are the same or different. Thanks
Jeremy

FredTJ · 07-03-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jddelrosso

I as well thought that was a state by state law. I am also not worried though because my dad does NY state inspections for me and at the same time on the 94 it is just a safety inspection so they only check out lights, brakes and whatnot. So thank you for the warning, and Ill watch my back for the legal problems I may run into.

Back to the original issue, it is a 22re motor, I just looked at the old and new flywheel side by side and did not see any real difference, Im going to examine the clutch and flywheel tonight, what should I look for in order to tell if they are the same or different. Thanks
Jeremy

Also, if you ever sell the vehicle you could have a problem.....

Fred

jddelrosso · 07-03-2008, 08:02 PM

I doubt it matters but I am going to use the entire intake from the newer truck anyway, which includes the egr system...

again, I doubt that matters

Jeremy

84socal · 07-03-2008, 10:44 PM

a 22re is a 22re there is little to nothing they changed on the blocks the only difference u might have is the vac lines and or some plugs and as far as the clutch and flywheel are concerned im pretty sure its all the same

good luck bro

jddelrosso · 07-04-2008, 06:18 AM

thanks, I hope you are right.

Jeremy

Josh.Photo · 07-04-2008, 02:17 PM

Fred. How are they able to tell? Do they go off the engine case numbers? As far as i knew, as long as the engine is in the same family. and has the same evap system it should be ok. I would think a 22re swapped with a 22re should be just fine. especially if its an older engine into a newer vehicle, that older/"dirtier" engine is going to be held to the newer/higher/cleaner emissions standard of the newer model vehicle.

again, im no expert on the issue. but i do have a friend who is a certified CA smog tech and i think this might be a question ill ask him.

Jay351 · 07-04-2008, 06:37 PM

Alot of what we do is not legal. Who cares? The monkeys at the inspection place won't know the difference from a 22re from 87 and a 22re from 94...

07-02-2008, 06:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
Josh.Photo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CA Posts: 41	Fred. What is illegal about what he wants to do? not trying to be a jerk or anything, but an honest question. __________________ "alot" is not a word. it's "a lot" get it right

07-02-2008, 06:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Please tell me what he is doing that is illegal. I would really like to know. Im assuming you are running a 22re (or possibly a 22r), what transmission though? __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

07-02-2008, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
crews462 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hills of Vermont Posts: 124	I'd be curious what's illegal as well.? __________________ 89 Pickup, 22RE, 5 spd, 175XXX

07-02-2008, 06:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
89silverpu Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vacaville/Sierra Nevada Mountains, CA/ UNLV (Las Vegas), NV Posts: 1,691	Yeah? Its illegal to put the wrong parts on a vehicle? __________________ '89 Beater Jeep Eater in progress 4.88's, TRD e-locker, Dual Cases, 33's, Armored, Tread Lightly Mixchallenge.info

07-02-2008, 07:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
crews462 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hills of Vermont Posts: 124	Does that make it a state by state law? Vt doesn't test emissions upon inspection (at least on my 89) __________________ 89 Pickup, 22RE, 5 spd, 175XXX Last edited by crews462; 07-02-2008 at 07:04 PM.

07-02-2008, 07:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
crews462 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hills of Vermont Posts: 124	thanks fred __________________ 89 Pickup, 22RE, 5 spd, 175XXX

07-03-2008, 07:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
jddelrosso Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 17	I as well thought that was a state by state law. I am also not worried though because my dad does NY state inspections for me and at the same time on the 94 it is just a safety inspection so they only check out lights, brakes and whatnot. So thank you for the warning, and Ill watch my back for the legal problems I may run into. Back to the original issue, it is a 22re motor, I just looked at the old and new flywheel side by side and did not see any real difference, Im going to examine the clutch and flywheel tonight, what should I look for in order to tell if they are the same or different. Thanks Jeremy

07-03-2008, 08:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
jddelrosso Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 17	I doubt it matters but I am going to use the entire intake from the newer truck anyway, which includes the egr system... again, I doubt that matters Jeremy

07-03-2008, 10:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
84socal Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28	a 22re is a 22re there is little to nothing they changed on the blocks the only difference u might have is the vac lines and or some plugs and as far as the clutch and flywheel are concerned im pretty sure its all the same good luck bro

07-04-2008, 06:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
jddelrosso Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 17	thanks, I hope you are right. Jeremy

07-04-2008, 02:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
Josh.Photo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CA Posts: 41	Fred. How are they able to tell? Do they go off the engine case numbers? As far as i knew, as long as the engine is in the same family. and has the same evap system it should be ok. I would think a 22re swapped with a 22re should be just fine. especially if its an older engine into a newer vehicle, that older/"dirtier" engine is going to be held to the newer/higher/cleaner emissions standard of the newer model vehicle. again, im no expert on the issue. but i do have a friend who is a certified CA smog tech and i think this might be a question ill ask him. __________________ "alot" is not a word. it's "a lot" get it right

07-04-2008, 06:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Alot of what we do is not legal. Who cares? The monkeys at the inspection place won't know the difference from a 22re from 87 and a 22re from 94... __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

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