biggest size with no lift???

camo31"10.50" · 10-16-2007, 04:51 PM

my 1980 yota p/u is fine with the 31"10.50" tsl's....but my next tires is going to be a bit bigger...and alot wider...the next set im getting are 33x13.50x15 LTB's....im wondering if i would be able to run them with no lift at all...im sure i could get a bunch with a few tweaks that i have laying around the garage...but im wondering if i can run them with no lift...(dont mind the width i know the state laws and i will be running flares)..thanks in advance

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nix4x4 · 10-16-2007, 06:52 PM

I'm not 100% sure when it comes to 1st gens, but I seriously doubt you'll fit 13.5 wide under any stock compact truck. I know that to run 12.5 wide on a 3rd gen w/o rubbing you need 3-4" lift. BTW, post up pics of your Dodge, I'm interested to see what 54" worth of tire looks like

Djlarroc · 10-16-2007, 06:55 PM

Those tires are HUGE!! I will tell you that. I bought these for my truck and they are too damn big. They barely fit on 15x8s, and hit on the inner fender, but w/any flex, I am going to mess my chit up. I'm thinking of selling them now. I don't want to lift my truck. It's my DD.

Mr_Martinez1982 · 10-16-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nix4x4

I'm not 100% sure when it comes to 1st gens, but I seriously doubt you'll fit 13.5 wide under any stock compact truck. I know that to run 12.5 wide on a 3rd gen w/o rubbing you need 3-4" lift. BTW, post up pics of your Dodge, I'm interested to see what 54" worth of tire looks like

i too have a 92 runnin 31x10.5's wuts the biggest/ widest i can run before a lift is in order?

tc · 10-16-2007, 09:45 PM

First, any advantage of a wider tire offroad (in conditions other than sand, and maybe, sometimes, mud) is debatable, and everyone can go back and forth forever, but I have never found ANY objective evidence that a wider tire has more traction offroad than a narrower tire, especially for light trucks and Jeeps.

Second - and this IS FACT - for a given amount of lift, you can fit a taller tire if it's narrower.

Conclusion, IMHO, width causes MUCH more fitment issues than height for no real advantage. Height provides clearance under the diffs, and is the only practical way to get it.

You could maybe fit 33x10.50, no way in hell you're gonna fit 33x13.50. Maybe something like 30x13.50, and whats the point in that?

nix4x4 · 10-16-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Martinez1982

i too have a 92 runnin 31x10.5's wuts the biggest/ widest i can run before a lift is in order?

I've heard claims of 33x10.50 with no lift, but thats gotta be a tight squeeze. I personally would go with a 2-3" body lift from rough country, slight torsion bar crank, shackles in the rear, and do 33x12.50. This may not be the most bombproof setup, but if you're on a budget (like most of us) this setup shouldn't let you down. Just my .02

TurnerR · 10-16-2007, 10:35 PM

or if your on a real budget you can go with 33x10.50. they fit. tc was my inspiration. i did it... but 13.50... nope not gonna fit stock. its close with 10.50 but it works.. go with tc's advice and go with the skinny tire. save the cash you would need for the lift and grab a locker.

nix4x4 · 10-17-2007, 12:26 AM

T$ speaks wisdom here. Thats one thing I wish i would have done different. 33x10.50 + locker = way more capable rig than 33x13.50 with open diffs

stormin94 · 10-17-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nix4x4

T$ speaks wisdom here. Thats one thing I wish i would have done different. 33x10.50 + locker = way more capable rig than 33x13.50 with open diffs

Or even 31-10.50 and locked is better than 33-13.50 lifted and open diff.

chroad · 10-17-2007, 01:04 AM

Why do you have an aversion to lifting the Toyota? Surely it's money and no other reason since you mention in your signature that you've got 18 inches of it on a Dodge quad cab. Not that I'm advocating a lift for the Toyota...

camo31"10.50" · 10-17-2007, 08:56 PM

thanks to all of you....the 02 dodge is one i seen at a mud bog....its not mine...but its one that i want...i didnt mean for it to be like it was mine....the tires are actually 52"...but interco calls em 54...and they are 19.5 in wide...and on a 20 in rim...this dodge was HUGE....and was the best truck at the bog...it was amazing to see a diesel goin through all that...our diesel (02 quad cab SB 4x4 diesel) got stuck in our back yard in a few inches of mud....but by the time i got done with i had burried it up to the axles...had to get a dozer to get it out...but once again im sorry for the confusion..i've been meaning to change my sig but havent gotten around to it...thanks for all the info yet again...

10-16-2007, 06:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
nix4x4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I'm an Ohio boy! Posts: 1,212	I'm not 100% sure when it comes to 1st gens, but I seriously doubt you'll fit 13.5 wide under any stock compact truck. I know that to run 12.5 wide on a 3rd gen w/o rubbing you need 3-4" lift. BTW, post up pics of your Dodge, I'm interested to see what 54" worth of tire looks like __________________ 1992 Xtra Cab 3.0/5-speed Work in progress..

10-16-2007, 09:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,372	First, any advantage of a wider tire offroad (in conditions other than sand, and maybe, sometimes, mud) is debatable, and everyone can go back and forth forever, but I have never found ANY objective evidence that a wider tire has more traction offroad than a narrower tire, especially for light trucks and Jeeps. Second - and this IS FACT - for a given amount of lift, you can fit a taller tire if it's narrower. Conclusion, IMHO, width causes MUCH more fitment issues than height for no real advantage. Height provides clearance under the diffs, and is the only practical way to get it. You could maybe fit 33x10.50, no way in hell you're gonna fit 33x13.50. Maybe something like 30x13.50, and whats the point in that? __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

10-16-2007, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
TurnerR Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 109	or if your on a real budget you can go with 33x10.50. they fit. tc was my inspiration. i did it... but 13.50... nope not gonna fit stock. its close with 10.50 but it works.. go with tc's advice and go with the skinny tire. save the cash you would need for the lift and grab a locker. __________________ 1996 Tacoma, Standard Cab, 2.7, 5 speed, 31x10.50 A/Ts SOLD 2008 scion xD 2007 Honda cbr600rr 1970 Ford Bronco

10-17-2007, 12:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
nix4x4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I'm an Ohio boy! Posts: 1,212	T$ speaks wisdom here. Thats one thing I wish i would have done different. 33x10.50 + locker = way more capable rig than 33x13.50 with open diffs __________________ 1992 Xtra Cab 3.0/5-speed Work in progress..

10-17-2007, 01:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
chroad Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 73	Why do you have an aversion to lifting the Toyota? Surely it's money and no other reason since you mention in your signature that you've got 18 inches of it on a Dodge quad cab. Not that I'm advocating a lift for the Toyota... __________________ 95 X-Cab 22RE 5-speed 32" BFG/AT's 4.56 and other stuff 83 Trek 640 12-speed 27"x1" Continentals WAR EAGLE!

10-16-2007, 06:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Djlarroc Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,322	Those tires are HUGE!! I will tell you that. I bought these for my truck and they are too damn big. They barely fit on 15x8s, and hit on the inner fender, but w/any flex, I am going to mess my chit up. I'm thinking of selling them now. I don't want to lift my truck. It's my DD.

10-17-2007, 08:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,065	thanks to all of you....the 02 dodge is one i seen at a mud bog....its not mine...but its one that i want...i didnt mean for it to be like it was mine....the tires are actually 52"...but interco calls em 54...and they are 19.5 in wide...and on a 20 in rim...this dodge was HUGE....and was the best truck at the bog...it was amazing to see a diesel goin through all that...our diesel (02 quad cab SB 4x4 diesel) got stuck in our back yard in a few inches of mud....but by the time i got done with i had burried it up to the axles...had to get a dozer to get it out...but once again im sorry for the confusion..i've been meaning to change my sig but havent gotten around to it...thanks for all the info yet again... __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

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