3rd Gen 35's vs 4th Gen 35's & MISC

hross14 · 10-01-2007, 07:15 AM

OK, please dont flame--but i was hit and rolled on Saturday night and my 3rd gen 4Runner is probably going to be totaled.

So now i have to get a new car. Question is--for those who have or are running 35's for both the 3rd and the 4th--which one would you say it was easier to make fit? Also, I have heard that you can crank up the front lift on the 4ths quite a bit (3 or so) and not have any problems. Is the 4th gen stronger in the front end (i.e. CV's, bearings....What about the rear axles? Does anybody know whether they are full floating or not?

I ask becaue these are items i was going to do to my 3rd runner very soon and they werent (relative i know) that expensive.

I have read the faq's but just wanted to here from the guys in the trenches. People who are really wheeling (rock, mud) their rigs. Any and all details will be appreciated.

Thanks Henry

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elbandito · 10-01-2007, 08:46 AM

Honestly, I would love to set up my Runner as you describe and I have had many vehicles set up that way. But...to lift a 4G Runner to fit 35's is still very costly. If I were to set up a rig for rock wheelin or heavy trail/mud use, I would buy an 80 series LC. The Slee 6" lift is relatively inexpensive and you can't beat the solid front axle for strength/reliability/ease of mods. The aftermarket availability for accessories is much bigger for LC's too.

Duc Hunter · 10-01-2007, 09:31 AM

Over on toyota120 there are a few (they are probably here too) folks who have or are building to run 35?s. I was one of those people but I will be scaling back my expectations as I do not wheel in rocks etc enough, and my rig is my daily driver and on the street 95% of the time. Since moving to the south east from northern CA my wheeling terrain has changed too, which all needs to be taken into account. I do not have much experience with 3rd gens so this is from a 4th gen perspective. Keep in mind also that I was very close to selling my 4Runner and getting into an FJC, but backed out at the last minute because my 4Runner is more comfy, a rear bumper is now available, has a V8???? Also, my philosophy on building a rig is simple, build it as low as you can to accommodate the tires you NEED to not drag your under body parts everywhere on the trails you run often. My old FJ40 had 35? swampers, a leaf over and ran Rubicon regularly. I also built it in 1988 and it made Rubicon easy. It was one of the lowest cruisers I ever saw at the Rubithon event to run 35?s without rubbing, and that was often and advantage.

I LOVE my 4th gen, I like my girlfriends 3rd too. Both are great vehicles, so this is like splitting hairs, keep that in mind. I love the comfort and interior room in my rig better, esp. between my shoulders/head and the side windows of the rig. I also love my V8, and even though I have gone to 33? tires to-date, I do not lack for power. For 33? tires you can run spacers, like I have had for a long time, or real suspension lift with springs like the OME lift I am about to put in. Why switch? I am adding front and rear bumpers and need more weight carrying capacity after adding that weight and have found that spacer lifts do not work as well off-road as a spring lift. Even with 33? tires some report a little rubbing at full tweak. To your question, yes 4th gens can lift 3.5-4? in the suspension up front without hurting the cv angles. Also remember we start out lower than a 3rd gen, so in the end we do not wind up that much taller. To go over 33? we 4th gen?rs are doing body lifts up to 1.5?. This, and trimming the front body mount a-la FJC?s and bumpers (I would add after market bumpers) we can fit 34? tires. 35? tires are tough simply because the wheel wells are not open enough front-to-back to accommodate them well at full tweak. What is the point of a bigger tire if you need to extend your bump stops 2 inches to prevent it from going up into the wheel well and rubbing your body? IMHO ther is none. Apparently FJC?s have wheel wells large enough to fit 35?s without cutting the body as much as a 4Runnner. This may also be a little different with the 06- 4Runners as they went to more round wheel wells that may be bigger. I don?t know though, just a thought.

For suspension, to do it ?right? and get as close the 35? as you can I would recommend an OME lift (about 3.5 inches) from Slee Offroad so they pre-assemble them for you (~$1,000 out the door), a 1.5? body lift, front bumper of your choice (I have a shrockworks), the CBI rear bumper (only one available at this point), new upper control arms to keep your handling nice and tight like stock, cut the front body mount a-la an FJC and you will be as close as you can be. If you NEED 35? tires for your wheeling you would also want to get sliders, Bud Built skids for everything including your gas tank, a winch etc. You will have gone up from 30? tires to 35? tires though, so again if you are dong wheeling that NEEDS 35? tires you will want to do new diff gears (4.56 is all that is offered and perfect)?.while you are in there you should do an ARB airlocker too. When I look at this list though, much of it can be said for the 3rd gen as well, I believe.

All of this said most of the guys REALLY wheeling 4th gen?s have had great success with their 33? tires, and that greatly reduces the challenge of building a rig, vs. the effort of fitting 35? tires. You sacrifice what, 1 inch of ground clearance with a 33? over a 35?? A 3rd gen faces many of the same challenges (bumpers, body lift, gearing when going to 35? tires etc) and lacks the V8 option, less towing capacity, has less room in side, has fewer/older gen electronic aids. Don?t fool yourself, 03- 4Runners are vastly improved for the better over the 3rd gens for off-road application (and FJC?s even more than the 4th gen 4Runners). I see a 3rd gens advantages as being cheaper to purchase used, giving you more $$$ for improvements, they are smaller which can be an advantage at times, there seem to be more parts out there for them etc.

For me I always want to start with the newest vehicle with the best base I can as I tend to keep vehicles a long time. With more interior room, a quieter interior, a V8, a larger towing capacity, much larger brakes (mine is a limited).....and now that a rear bumper is available my choice would still be a 4th gen. I hope this helps a little?

hross14 · 10-01-2007, 01:53 PM

thanks for the reply--Third gens are taller than 4th gens and there arent many options out there to regear a 4th right? By the time you raise the front you will be at about a third gen heigth? Considering i already have stuffs i might look at an 80 series LC or another 3rd gen.

Do LC's have that robust of a running gear?

hross14 · 10-01-2007, 02:30 PM

I took a look at the LC 80's series and think that it is too long. I would have a hard time trying to fit it into my Garage to do stuff to it!!!Uggg

Might take a look at the FJC

neliconcept · 10-01-2007, 03:14 PM

LCs have been considered the best manufactured wheeling rig out of the box, you have 9.5" rear third and 8" high pinion (on some) and you can get strong Longfields for the front and cromolies for the rear. 35s can be fit with a 3.5 inch lift and some trimming i think, maybe even less lift, can get 6 inch slee spring and stuff 37-40s with the right gearing and strong axles to handle the big meats.

really depends on what you want to do.

get a 3rd gen if you dont wanna blow a huge chunk of change. 4th gens will prob do that to you.

hross14 · 10-01-2007, 04:45 PM

I am so tempted to go to the LC Side--but.....would it take a chunk of clams ($ for the square folks) to do all those things mentioned above--like maybe starting with a 1990 and doing the above stuffs--

The thought has come to mind to put a Dizzel in a 1990??? I am just thinking out loud here folks but temptation lurks around every corner

Duc Hunter · 10-02-2007, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hross14

I am so tempted to go to the LC Side--but.....would it take a chunk of clams ($ for the square folks) to do all those things mentioned above--like maybe starting with a 1990 and doing the above stuffs--

The thought has come to mind to put a Dizzel in a 1990??? I am just thinking out loud here folks but temptation lurks around every corner

I looked at an LC too, and LOVE them! When I looked at them I had a few thoughts that added to their cost. They, at this point, have a lot of miles on them. As a result the engine will need to be rebuilt. The only engine to get is the 4cam engine. Even with that, it lacks come power for the street, esp. once you add 35's and weight of a winch, bumpers etc. Also, the interior does not really have more room than my 4th Gen.....for people anyway. You can supercharge the engine though, the 4 cam, which would be great. You want an oil burner? Talk about adding cost! Ouch!

They are amazing rigs..........but I still think get a 3rd gen to save money or a 4th gen for more comfort, power etc. As for the FJC, when I looked at it they had the same build costs as the 4th Gen (esp. in the gearing etc), are not as nice on the street, where mine spends most of it hours, plus they are newer meaning you have to pay more to get one.

neliconcept · 10-02-2007, 07:29 AM

LCs will cost the most to modify, 3000k for a slee 6inch system, bumpers cost more, etc etc... but it will be the most wheeling efficient rig.

however, you can lift a 3rd gen for 700 or go 1200 and do SS system 1.5 and get the perfect lift.

go ahead and get armor, maybe another 2300, lockers and what not. and you have a rig that can keep up with the rest and do more then you probablly want to.

I will be locked front and rear, 5:1 case which puts me at 95:1 with 4.56 gearing and ill be able to do trails that I really dont even have the skill nor want to be able to do.

AxleIke · 10-02-2007, 07:59 AM

The 80 series land cruiser is the best out of the box toyota rig for building an extremely capable rig.

They cost a bit to get started.

Best I've heard them getting is 15 mpg. Most are in the 10-12 range. I'm sure there are some that get more, but most folks get that around here.

They have a bullet proof engine.

If you've got the change, you'll be happy with them. They ride smooth and handle bumpy dirt roads with ease.

If you need to stay cheap, get a 4runner.

hross14 · 10-02-2007, 09:03 AM

Two thoughts are coming to mind

LC--needs a motor swap of some sort--but i could get a decent amount of lift to stuff meats under it.

4Runner--cheaper--but i cant get the meats?

I thought about it and i think i am going to stick with a 3rd gen 4Runner and stuff 35's. I have the SS#7--so upgrading to the 1.5 will be cake. Going to lock the rear and lsd the front. Or i may think about a SAS. I am not sure.....Just cant believe that gal wrecked my truck like that. Seems like a blur

hawkdog21 · 10-02-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hross14

Two thoughts are coming to mind

LC--needs a motor swap of some sort--but i could get a decent amount of lift to stuff meats under it.

4Runner--cheaper--but i cant get the meats?

I thought about it and i think i am going to stick with a 3rd gen 4Runner and stuff 35's. I have the SS#7--so upgrading to the 1.5 will be cake. Going to lock the rear and lsd the front. Or i may think about a SAS. I am not sure.....Just cant believe that gal wrecked my truck like that. Seems like a blur

oh, you can def get 35s on there, not hard either....

hross14 · 10-02-2007, 10:37 AM

The thing that worries me about 35's is there ability to eat axles. Am i wrong on this and the front is probably a little more stout than i think?

honest plan is to lock, Chromo and Chunk the back (Free Floating Axle/bearing system), 35's, armour, LSD the front, and of course the other goodies. but should i really be thinking about SASing the front? Thats really were my concern lays--those CV axles not holding up. That is mainly why i am LSDing the front--to provide me a little bit of security

MoJ · 10-02-2007, 12:18 PM

Hi - Newb here...

I've been lurking on here and researching 4-gen 4-runners. I 've owned and wheeled an 80 series LC for 5 years or so.

I noticed a few errors in what was said above about the 80. First, running 35's is pretty simple. 3" OME lift & caster correction bushings ($700), a little mud flap trimming (or some just remove), and lowering the rear bumpstops 1.5" will get you a very capable trail rig with 35's and plenty of articulation. Armor for an 80 can be pricey compared to what I've seen for the 4-runner. Sliders in particular - expect to pay around $800 for a set. If you decide you want bumpers a front is $800 or so, rear is over $1k.

Regarding the 80 series 1FZFE, mileage isn't much concern if it's been half-way maintained. The designed rebuild interval is 300k.

Durability is great and if it has the factory front/rear locker option it can save you some money over having to buy aftermarket lockers.

Well, back to lurking.

hawkdog21 · 10-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hross14

The thing that worries me about 35's is there ability to eat axles. Am i wrong on this and the front is probably a little more stout than i think?

honest plan is to lock, Chromo and Chunk the back (Free Floating Axle/bearing system), 35's, armour, LSD the front, and of course the other goodies. but should i really be thinking about SASing the front? Thats really were my concern lays--those CV axles not holding up. That is mainly why i am LSDing the front--to provide me a little bit of security

if you have the cheddar, SAC it up, but if you are going in stages, like I am, then dont worry about it till later. im going to fall crawl in late october in harlan and running hard that i would never normally run until I got my DD and a trailer to tow it, so im gonna beat the hell out of my truck. I have an aussie up front and 35s, i will let you know how everything goes as far as axles breaking when i return, if they hold up there, thats saying alot...

hross14 · 10-02-2007, 03:25 PM

Well i got the call from the insurance and they are only paying me $6248 for the vehicle. Seems like i would have gotten at least 7500 for it. 97 with 162k. Nada says retail is $8550. Sucks that i dont get retail FMV...Sheets

10-01-2007, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
elbandito Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 35	My 2 Cents Honestly, I would love to set up my Runner as you describe and I have had many vehicles set up that way. But...to lift a 4G Runner to fit 35's is still very costly. If I were to set up a rig for rock wheelin or heavy trail/mud use, I would buy an 80 series LC. The Slee 6" lift is relatively inexpensive and you can't beat the solid front axle for strength/reliability/ease of mods. The aftermarket availability for accessories is much bigger for LC's too.

10-01-2007, 09:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Duc Hunter Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 85	Over on toyota120 there are a few (they are probably here too) folks who have or are building to run 35?s. I was one of those people but I will be scaling back my expectations as I do not wheel in rocks etc enough, and my rig is my daily driver and on the street 95% of the time. Since moving to the south east from northern CA my wheeling terrain has changed too, which all needs to be taken into account. I do not have much experience with 3rd gens so this is from a 4th gen perspective. Keep in mind also that I was very close to selling my 4Runner and getting into an FJC, but backed out at the last minute because my 4Runner is more comfy, a rear bumper is now available, has a V8???? Also, my philosophy on building a rig is simple, build it as low as you can to accommodate the tires you NEED to not drag your under body parts everywhere on the trails you run often. My old FJ40 had 35? swampers, a leaf over and ran Rubicon regularly. I also built it in 1988 and it made Rubicon easy. It was one of the lowest cruisers I ever saw at the Rubithon event to run 35?s without rubbing, and that was often and advantage. I LOVE my 4th gen, I like my girlfriends 3rd too. Both are great vehicles, so this is like splitting hairs, keep that in mind. I love the comfort and interior room in my rig better, esp. between my shoulders/head and the side windows of the rig. I also love my V8, and even though I have gone to 33? tires to-date, I do not lack for power. For 33? tires you can run spacers, like I have had for a long time, or real suspension lift with springs like the OME lift I am about to put in. Why switch? I am adding front and rear bumpers and need more weight carrying capacity after adding that weight and have found that spacer lifts do not work as well off-road as a spring lift. Even with 33? tires some report a little rubbing at full tweak. To your question, yes 4th gens can lift 3.5-4? in the suspension up front without hurting the cv angles. Also remember we start out lower than a 3rd gen, so in the end we do not wind up that much taller. To go over 33? we 4th gen?rs are doing body lifts up to 1.5?. This, and trimming the front body mount a-la FJC?s and bumpers (I would add after market bumpers) we can fit 34? tires. 35? tires are tough simply because the wheel wells are not open enough front-to-back to accommodate them well at full tweak. What is the point of a bigger tire if you need to extend your bump stops 2 inches to prevent it from going up into the wheel well and rubbing your body? IMHO ther is none. Apparently FJC?s have wheel wells large enough to fit 35?s without cutting the body as much as a 4Runnner. This may also be a little different with the 06- 4Runners as they went to more round wheel wells that may be bigger. I don?t know though, just a thought. For suspension, to do it ?right? and get as close the 35? as you can I would recommend an OME lift (about 3.5 inches) from Slee Offroad so they pre-assemble them for you (~$1,000 out the door), a 1.5? body lift, front bumper of your choice (I have a shrockworks), the CBI rear bumper (only one available at this point), new upper control arms to keep your handling nice and tight like stock, cut the front body mount a-la an FJC and you will be as close as you can be. If you NEED 35? tires for your wheeling you would also want to get sliders, Bud Built skids for everything including your gas tank, a winch etc. You will have gone up from 30? tires to 35? tires though, so again if you are dong wheeling that NEEDS 35? tires you will want to do new diff gears (4.56 is all that is offered and perfect)?.while you are in there you should do an ARB airlocker too. When I look at this list though, much of it can be said for the 3rd gen as well, I believe. All of this said most of the guys REALLY wheeling 4th gen?s have had great success with their 33? tires, and that greatly reduces the challenge of building a rig, vs. the effort of fitting 35? tires. You sacrifice what, 1 inch of ground clearance with a 33? over a 35?? A 3rd gen faces many of the same challenges (bumpers, body lift, gearing when going to 35? tires etc) and lacks the V8 option, less towing capacity, has less room in side, has fewer/older gen electronic aids. Don?t fool yourself, 03- 4Runners are vastly improved for the better over the 3rd gens for off-road application (and FJC?s even more than the 4th gen 4Runners). I see a 3rd gens advantages as being cheaper to purchase used, giving you more $$$ for improvements, they are smaller which can be an advantage at times, there seem to be more parts out there for them etc. For me I always want to start with the newest vehicle with the best base I can as I tend to keep vehicles a long time. With more interior room, a quieter interior, a V8, a larger towing capacity, much larger brakes (mine is a limited).....and now that a rear bumper is available my choice would still be a 4th gen. I hope this helps a little? __________________ 04 4Runner Limited V8, NV, SR, GY, RF, HP, P9, Z1, E5, XM Radio, BlueTooth Wireless, NE lift (4" ft, 3.5" rear), 285/70/17 (had 265/70's), SpiderTrax Spacers, K&N FIPK, Magnaflow CAT-Back Last edited by Duc Hunter; 10-01-2007 at 09:36 AM.

10-01-2007, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	thanks for the reply--Third gens are taller than 4th gens and there arent many options out there to regear a 4th right? By the time you raise the front you will be at about a third gen heigth? Considering i already have stuffs i might look at an 80 series LC or another 3rd gen. Do LC's have that robust of a running gear? __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-01-2007, 02:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	I took a look at the LC 80's series and think that it is too long. I would have a hard time trying to fit it into my Garage to do stuff to it!!!Uggg Might take a look at the FJC __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-01-2007, 04:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	I am so tempted to go to the LC Side--but.....would it take a chunk of clams ($ for the square folks) to do all those things mentioned above--like maybe starting with a 1990 and doing the above stuffs-- The thought has come to mind to put a Dizzel in a 1990??? I am just thinking out loud here folks but temptation lurks around every corner __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-01-2007, 03:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
neliconcept Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 0	LCs have been considered the best manufactured wheeling rig out of the box, you have 9.5" rear third and 8" high pinion (on some) and you can get strong Longfields for the front and cromolies for the rear. 35s can be fit with a 3.5 inch lift and some trimming i think, maybe even less lift, can get 6 inch slee spring and stuff 37-40s with the right gearing and strong axles to handle the big meats. really depends on what you want to do. get a 3rd gen if you dont wanna blow a huge chunk of change. 4th gens will prob do that to you.

10-02-2007, 07:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
neliconcept Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 0	LCs will cost the most to modify, 3000k for a slee 6inch system, bumpers cost more, etc etc... but it will be the most wheeling efficient rig. however, you can lift a 3rd gen for 700 or go 1200 and do SS system 1.5 and get the perfect lift. go ahead and get armor, maybe another 2300, lockers and what not. and you have a rig that can keep up with the rest and do more then you probablly want to. I will be locked front and rear, 5:1 case which puts me at 95:1 with 4.56 gearing and ill be able to do trails that I really dont even have the skill nor want to be able to do.

10-02-2007, 07:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,848	The 80 series land cruiser is the best out of the box toyota rig for building an extremely capable rig. They cost a bit to get started. Best I've heard them getting is 15 mpg. Most are in the 10-12 range. I'm sure there are some that get more, but most folks get that around here. They have a bullet proof engine. If you've got the change, you'll be happy with them. They ride smooth and handle bumpy dirt roads with ease. If you need to stay cheap, get a 4runner. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner. -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail.

10-02-2007, 09:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	Two thoughts are coming to mind LC--needs a motor swap of some sort--but i could get a decent amount of lift to stuff meats under it. 4Runner--cheaper--but i cant get the meats? I thought about it and i think i am going to stick with a 3rd gen 4Runner and stuff 35's. I have the SS#7--so upgrading to the 1.5 will be cake. Going to lock the rear and lsd the front. Or i may think about a SAS. I am not sure.....Just cant believe that gal wrecked my truck like that. Seems like a blur __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-02-2007, 10:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	The thing that worries me about 35's is there ability to eat axles. Am i wrong on this and the front is probably a little more stout than i think? honest plan is to lock, Chromo and Chunk the back (Free Floating Axle/bearing system), 35's, armour, LSD the front, and of course the other goodies. but should i really be thinking about SASing the front? Thats really were my concern lays--those CV axles not holding up. That is mainly why i am LSDing the front--to provide me a little bit of security __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

10-02-2007, 12:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
MoJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3	Hi - Newb here... I've been lurking on here and researching 4-gen 4-runners. I 've owned and wheeled an 80 series LC for 5 years or so. I noticed a few errors in what was said above about the 80. First, running 35's is pretty simple. 3" OME lift & caster correction bushings ($700), a little mud flap trimming (or some just remove), and lowering the rear bumpstops 1.5" will get you a very capable trail rig with 35's and plenty of articulation. Armor for an 80 can be pricey compared to what I've seen for the 4-runner. Sliders in particular - expect to pay around $800 for a set. If you decide you want bumpers a front is $800 or so, rear is over $1k. Regarding the 80 series 1FZFE, mileage isn't much concern if it's been half-way maintained. The designed rebuild interval is 300k. Durability is great and if it has the factory front/rear locker option it can save you some money over having to buy aftermarket lockers. Well, back to lurking.

10-02-2007, 03:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
hross14 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,160	Well i got the call from the insurance and they are only paying me $6248 for the vehicle. Seems like i would have gotten at least 7500 for it. 97 with 162k. Nada says retail is $8550. Sucks that i dont get retail FMV...Sheets __________________ Yes, I said "country." America really is a nation, but you couldn't convince those who lead the Democratic and Republican Parties of that. Both parties now see America as nothing more than an economy, a marketplace, and not a sovereign nation. They don't see you and me as citizens of this great nation; they see us as units of labor, consumers and taxpayers. Yes, I am here to collect my 238$ worth of stock from AIG. "What do you mean a free market economy doesnt apply to the rich?"

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