Firefightertaco

well i recently blew up my 22re in my 86 4 runner and got a buddy that has a 83 22r, just wondering if it will bolt right up?

84sr5yoty

Sure will. Just keep in mind that 81-84 used a different block and head design.

Make sure that the correct oil pan is used for the intended application since Celica?s, 4X2, and 4X4 trucks ALL used different oil pans. Also, make sure the head has the correct setup for power steering if you have it.

4runnerx3

The 22r has a taller deck, and the timing chain covers will not swap.

86toysr5

the only to check for would be the line up pins on the tranny we had to removed one to put a 20r in a 86 that had the 22re

FredTJ

Be aware that the swap is, more than like, and highly probably, Federally illegal.





Fred

rdlsz24

I also have heard that swapping an older engine into a newer car is a no-no. Yours could be exempt though since it's over 20 years old. Not sure. I wouldn't worry about it.

Rob

drew303

hmm, interesting

Emissions? Can you elaborate?

I suppose, engine, body and frame swaps are illegal to?

dropzone

iTrader: (6)

Dunno about WA, but in Oregon you would probably have to have a DEQ referee make a determination...but usually motor swap must be same year or newer..

12crawl

Aint no law dog,catch me if you can LOL

toy89yota

Federally illegal? Not so sure about that, I would imagine that it would be a state law if any. I understand some states have dumb laws like that but I have never heard of a federal law on engine swaps. Please enlighten me.

abecedarian

Yeah, you can put an 83 22r engine into an 86 22re chassis. For the most part, the engine will bolt right up to the transmission.

Will it work? Probably not without dealing with head / distributor / fuel pump / intake / exhaust manifold issues.

Not sure why you'd want to swap an older engine with lower HP and torque ratings in though.

As for the 'legality', 83 pickups were not available with EFI. That means that 'technically' a carbureted engine would be installed in a fuel injected spec'd chassis, which would be illegal per basic interpretations of the laws. If the 83 engine was mechanically the same as the 86 EFI engine, then there would be little issue with it. Same as putting an 86 22r engine into a 93 for instance since from 85 through 95 the 22r and 22re are the same design save for the eccentric on the cam for the carburetor's fuel pump.

Some rules to follow would be-
... swapping engines would mean that emissions must meet or surpass the more strict of the year of the chassis or the year of the engine. When an engine has been made without design changes over multiple years, it is generally acceptable to put an older engine into a newer vehicle since the engine being installed is technically the equivalent to the newer engine. So like mentioned, an 85-95 22r or 22re are technically the same engine since the only mechanical difference is the eccentric on the cam. There are external differences such as PAIR, etc, but those are external controls, not internal modifications.
... swapping in an engine that was available for the chassis within the year of manufacture is generally acceptable. So changing an 88 22re to an 88 3vze is possible without much hassle provided all emissions equipment is in place and operational.

toy89yota

looks like I was wrong just found this. Guess I have been living in ND to long, no emissions testing up here and I love that.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

abecedarian

"No testing" doesn't mean that changing things isn't illegal. It just means you're less likely to get caught.

However, some states acknowledge that people change things, either by necessity or desire, and have addressed that in their laws.

FredTJ

And, as you mentioned, regardless of what the State may say, it's still FEDERALLY illegal and can subject the person to a pretty damn hefty fine




Fred

DeathCougar

iTrader: (23)

So can littering, and I am sure no one has ever done that before

I say don't do the swap. Not because its supposedly "illegal" but because of the headache you will cause yourself in figuring out the wiring, fuel, spark, and other systems associated with swapping a different kind of engine in.

sfayota

lol Exactly! If I wanna do a swap I will. All the tree huggers and uncle sams kiss asses can cry to somebody else.