Is this truck lifted?

BlackBox · 07-17-2008, 02:49 PM

Disclaimer: I'm a super green newbie! And this may be the lamest question ever. I've searched around (actually been "stalking" this board, reading, learning, etc.) for a while now, and I can't find anything that would help me figure this one out. This might indicate that I already have my answer, but I figure it doesn't hurt to ask...

I need to know if my truck is lifted or not. It's a stock 88 4Runner, 22RE, sitting on 31x10.5x15 BFG AT/KO's with less than 1,000 miles on them. A good friend of mine suggested that it is lifted in the rear as I have very little rear sag, but this doesn't sound like very technical advice to me. I have 7" of clearance from the inside of the tread on my front tires to the bottom of my fender and 6 1/2" in the rear. The way I figure, as soon as I acquire a front bumper, most of the sag should be corrected.

(excuse the shoddy pics, this was taken at work with my camera phone)

Here are a couple of pics of my front suspension (and parts that need to be replaced

acutally just got new 1/2 shafts in the mail as I was typing this):

The truck's not sitting level - it's leaning on the driver's side in my parking garage - but the angles look pretty "normal" to me. I would have taken pics of my rear springs (which are sitting almost parallel to the body) but the sun wasn't helping.

Anyone have any idea whether or not this truck is actually lifted or not? Or any suggestions as to how I might go about figuring this one out? I do kinda feel like an idiot - but ah well. Thanks for your help.

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904_runner · 07-17-2008, 02:52 PM

Well if its leaning toward one side in the front, my first thought was previous owner cranked torsion bars unevenly, but there is no lift brackets on that to my knowledge. Looks stock from here

Jay351 · 07-17-2008, 02:59 PM

Looks stock to me. Lets see a picture of the rear leaf pack and shackle....

BlackBox · 07-17-2008, 03:00 PM

Thanks. It's actually leaning because that's the side of the parking garage that slopes up/down. It doesn't lean when it's on level ground.

I didn't see any brackets or anything either. My guess is that I just got lucky.

904_runner · 07-17-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBox

Thanks. It's actually leaning because that's the side of the parking garage that slopes up/down. It doesn't lean when it's on level ground.

I didn't see any brackets or anything either. My guess is that I just got lucky.

Oh, thought you meant on flat ground it is leaning.

Looks stock!

BlackBox · 07-17-2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

Looks stock to me. Lets see a picture of the rear leaf pack and shackle....

I'll take pics of the rear tonight when the sun goes down a bit.

4Crawler · 07-17-2008, 03:13 PM

See:
- http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/ar....jsp?id=398514

Most trucks and 4Runners are set at the factory to about 13.5" - 14" from the top of the rim to the fender lip.

abecedarian · 07-17-2008, 03:14 PM

looks stock to me. it may just be that the 4runner was never used as a truck so the rear isn't sagging much....

Optimus · 07-17-2008, 04:14 PM

other possibilities are that someone:

1) had the rear springs re-arched
2) installed an add-a-leaf kit, load helper springs, or air bag helpers
3) installed air shocks
4) installed new or used rear springs, either stock height or with a slight lift
5) installed longer rear shackles (an approximate 2" rear lift shackle often levels the vehicle out for a mere $40)
6)short lift blocks (unlikely)
7) or, like has been previously mentioned, you just lucky and have a level headed truck.

As for the front, I don't see any signs of the typical drop brackets used with the 3-4" suspension lifts, and I see stock control arms.
1) torsion bars could be cranked up (or down)
2) aftermarket torsion bars installed (normally stiffer but do provide some lift)
3) you might have upper ball joint spacers (usually provide 1/4" lift)
4) air shocks

That's about all that can add lift to the front of an IFS vehicle.

Mind you, listing these items doesn't mean I think your vehicle is actually lifted or has any of these. Basically, any stock height vehicle could have any of these options done. You just never know. If you can provide pictures of the rear springs and rear shackles, it may help determine what you have.

abecedarian · 07-17-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShawnF

other possibilities are that someone:

1) had the rear springs re-arched
2) installed an add-a-leaf kit, load helper springs, or air bag helpers
3) installed air shocks
4) installed new or used rear springs, either stock height or with a slight lift
5) installed longer rear shackles (an approximate 2" rear lift shackle often levels the vehicle out for a mere $40)
6)short lift blocks (unlikely)
7) or, like has been previously mentioned, you just lucky and have a level headed truck.

As for the front, I don't see any signs of the typical drop brackets used with the 3-4" suspension lifts, and I see stock control arms.
1) torsion bars could be cranked up (or down)
2) aftermarket torsion bars installed (normally stiffer but do provide some lift)
3) you might have upper ball joint spacers (usually provide 1/4" lift)
4) air shocks

That's about all that can add lift to the front of an IFS vehicle.

Mind you, listing these items doesn't mean I think your vehicle is actually lifted or has any of these. Basically, any stock height vehicle could have any of these options done. You just never know. If you can provide pictures of the rear springs and rear shackles, it may help determine what you have.

I'd say the front has no crank on the bars: look at the gap between the compression stops and the lower arm, and the arm is almost horizontal.

InternetRoadkill · 07-17-2008, 04:31 PM

Mine has new springs. It's at the factory height for an 88.

ozzydg55 · 07-17-2008, 04:33 PM

looks like a possible body lift

abecedarian · 07-17-2008, 04:36 PM

here's a 4" suspension lift on an 88 with 265/75r16 tires (just over 31" diameter):

yeah, it's my truck. so you can see how much room is between the upper wheel and fender lip with a lift.

07-17-2008, 02:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	Well if its leaning toward one side in the front, my first thought was previous owner cranked torsion bars unevenly, but there is no lift brackets on that to my knowledge. Looks stock from here __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

07-17-2008, 02:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
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07-17-2008, 03:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
BlackBox Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 43	Thanks. It's actually leaning because that's the side of the parking garage that slopes up/down. It doesn't lean when it's on level ground. I didn't see any brackets or anything either. My guess is that I just got lucky. __________________ 88Runner 22RE, <4k miles on new motor; 31x10.5x15; 4.88's; Aussie rear; extended f/r breathers; 1"bore mc/dual booster/V6 front discs; lame Smitty "steps" (random Frankenstein "modifications" compliments of the PO almost totally undone) 05 Prius, Gold package, custom Corolla sun/moon roof, all leather interior (DD)

07-17-2008, 03:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,828	See: - http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/ar....jsp?id=398514 Most trucks and 4Runners are set at the factory to about 13.5" - 14" from the top of the rim to the fender lip. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

07-17-2008, 04:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Optimus Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northeastern Minnesota Posts: 73	other possibilities are that someone: 1) had the rear springs re-arched 2) installed an add-a-leaf kit, load helper springs, or air bag helpers 3) installed air shocks 4) installed new or used rear springs, either stock height or with a slight lift 5) installed longer rear shackles (an approximate 2" rear lift shackle often levels the vehicle out for a mere $40) 6)short lift blocks (unlikely) 7) or, like has been previously mentioned, you just lucky and have a level headed truck. As for the front, I don't see any signs of the typical drop brackets used with the 3-4" suspension lifts, and I see stock control arms. 1) torsion bars could be cranked up (or down) 2) aftermarket torsion bars installed (normally stiffer but do provide some lift) 3) you might have upper ball joint spacers (usually provide 1/4" lift) 4) air shocks That's about all that can add lift to the front of an IFS vehicle. Mind you, listing these items doesn't mean I think your vehicle is actually lifted or has any of these. Basically, any stock height vehicle could have any of these options done. You just never know. If you can provide pictures of the rear springs and rear shackles, it may help determine what you have. __________________ My Toyota web page and stuff for sale: http://www.geocities.com/toyotashawn

07-17-2008, 04:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
InternetRoadkill Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 941	Mine has new springs. It's at the factory height for an 88.

07-17-2008, 04:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
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