Transmission cooler mounted behind grill (pics)

slosurfer · 05-26-2006, 09:36 PM

I just mounted a transmission cooler that I ordered from Import Performance Transmission. After searching on here and looking all around the front end of the runner for a place to put it, I finally got it mounted behind the grill. It took a long time for me to get it just right. I had to trim the backside of the grill to make it fit and let me tell you I got real good at taking that off. It was just cut and fit, cut and fit. The brackets that came with the cooler were much stronger than they looked, it took some muscle to bend them and shape them how I wanted them to. I am real happy with it so far, I will probably trim the grill a little more when I get the right attachment for the dremel, but it clears everything right now. Anyways, here are the pics:

Let me know what you think or if I missed anything. The lower right mount is mounted to the bumper using a bolt that holds the valance on. I really couldn't get a pic of it.

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4x4Lamm · 05-26-2006, 09:54 PM

Neat!

Are you worried that it may get too hot and melt the grill a little?

Where do the lines go to, those little pipes on the bottem of the radiator?

Lamm

slosurfer · 05-26-2006, 10:38 PM

I'm not sure how hot it will get, the closest the grill comes to it is 1/4 in. I want to get a little more clearance just in case I hit something and the grill moves. One of the lines runs into the inlet tube for the transmission and the other one goes to the bottom of the radiator. If I did it right it should go through the stock cooler first then the new cooler.

ZUK · 05-27-2006, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slosurfer

I'm not sure how hot it will get, the closest the grill comes to it is 1/4 in. I want to get a little more clearance just in case I hit something and the grill moves. One of the lines runs into the inlet tube for the transmission and the other one goes to the bottom of the radiator. If I did it right it should go through the stock cooler first then the new cooler.

I have some cooler experience when I had my 99TJ and probably the same B&M cooler you have there. You probably picked one of the best coolers and the best location. If you do have the fluids going thru the radiator first then the ext cooler then you get a BIG thumbs up.

InternetRoadkill · 05-27-2006, 07:54 AM

Which side goes in the radiator and which side comes out? The FSM doesn't say. I want to add a cooler to mine after the fluid comes out, but it's not clear which side I need to tap into to do that.

mt_goat · 05-27-2006, 11:27 AM

I'm putting in the same brand cooler. I like the way you have it on its side, gravity will help pull the ATF through the small passages.

Roadkill, on mine the drivers side of the radiator was "in" from the tranny and the passenger side was the return line to the tranny.

slosurfer · 05-27-2006, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

I'm putting in the same brand cooler. I like the way you have it on its side, gravity will help pull the ATF through the small passages.

Roadkill, on mine the drivers side of the radiator was in from the tranny and the passenger side was the return line to the tranny.

That is the way my lines were hooked also. mt goat, I'm not sure which one you are getting, but I think I would get the next smaller size if I had to do it again. I got the True-Cool LPD4454 which is 7 1/4 x 11 while the 4452 is 5 3/4 x 11. IPT said it could be mounted any which way and that was the only way it would fit in there. If I had the smaller one I probable could have got it between the ac hard lines and the condenser, instead of in front of everything. It seems to work good, I just got back from an all day trail cleanup and run, no problems!

mt_goat · 05-27-2006, 08:04 PM

Actually I got 2 of the 4454. Here's a pic of the test fitting:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...42310107Mexafx

slosurfer · 05-27-2006, 10:05 PM

Wow, that's some serious tranny cooling! When you did the 3.4 swap do you keep the same ac condenser or is there more room in the front somehow?

mt_goat · 05-28-2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slosurfer

Wow, that's some serious tranny cooling! When you did the 3.4 swap do you keep the same ac condenser or is there more room in the front somehow?

Same AC condenser. Those are mounted in between the condenser and the radiator, but the pic was taken with the engine and radiator out of the truck. The way I mounted them would be very hard to do with the engine in the truck.

The nice thing about these Tru-Cool LPD coolers is they automaticly bypass the smallest cooling passages when the ATF is cool. So they minimize pressure drop. They also come with some very nice steel mounting hardware.

slosurfer · 05-28-2006, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mt_goat

Same AC condenser. Those are mounted in between the condenser and the radiator, but the pic is take with the engine and radiator out of the truck. The way I mounted them would be very hard to do with the engine in the truck.

The nice thing about these Tru-Cool LPD coolers is they automaticly bypass the smallest cooling passages when the ATF is cool. So they minimize pressure drop.

That's smart thinking, I like that. I looked at that area between there, but like you said I couldn't figure out how to get to it without removing the radiator. The bypass is the reason I went with tru-cool also. I have never had my tranny light come on, but now that I run a lot more trails and now I have a small military trailer that I will tow when I go camping, I just wanted a little extra insurance. You have double the insurance.

mt_goat · 05-28-2006, 07:16 AM

Your's will do good there in front of everything. I'm amazed you fit it in there. I've looked at fitting one even smaller than that in front and gave up, and I don't even have that extra AC fan in the way like you do.

slosurfer · 05-29-2006, 08:27 PM

Well, it's been three days since the cooler was installed and everything is working perfectly. One of those days was an all day 4Lo adventure with plenty of bumping around, and another day was a 3 hr. round trip to the lake which has some pretty nasty pothole areas. So far the brackets are keeping everything in place. The brackets are much stronger than they look.

mt_goat · 05-30-2006, 04:49 AM

Yeah those are great brackets they send with those. The Hayden coolers just include plastic ties.

snap-on · 05-30-2006, 06:58 AM

i got the same one from jeggs as a B&M cooler. I tried and tried to get it mounted in that location but finally broke down and decided i couldnt make it fit and mounted it a bit lower behind the front vallance. ill snap i pic later

slosurfer · 05-30-2006, 08:10 AM

It was definately a pain to get it to fit there. I started it one evening then gave up. In the middle of the night was when the idea came to trim the backside of the grill to make it fit. There is no other way to make it work there without dropping it lower behind the valance. I didn't want to do that because I am eventually going to get something like an all pro bumper, so then it would be fully exposed. I had to mount it many times to get it just right, basically once for every bracket, sometimes twice.

Epic Ed · 05-30-2006, 09:58 AM

Dude -- I've never wanted to kiss a man before, but you just might be the first. I've had my TJM bumper off for a couple of weeks now and I've been looking to try to find a good place to mount a tranny cooler -- BING! You've got the answer!! I can't go lower because my TJM bumper and BudBuilt skid plate cover all of the area beneath the grill. I've thought about just ditching the stock grill and mounting it in the location you put it, but it's nice to know it can be put back on with some trimming.

My only concern about mounting it in that spot is restricting air flow to the radiator. I've battled over heating issues with my beeotch for several years and she's a bit sensitive to summer temps out here in the desert. Any thoughts/opinions about that possibility?

BTW -- how much was the cooler you bought? Pro/cons vs. the Hayden cooler?

Nice work!

Ed

slosurfer · 05-30-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epic Ed

My only concern about mounting it in that spot is restricting air flow to the radiator. I've battled over heating issues with my beeotch for several years and she's a bit sensitive to summer temps out here in the desert. Any thoughts/opinions about that possibility?

BTW -- how much was the cooler you bought? Pro/cons vs. the Hayden cooler?

Nice work!

Ed

I'll take the compliment, but you can keep the kiss. There have been enough brokeback jokes floating around here. I was worried about the restriction, but that is where all the experts say to put it. Another thing to think about, is that the cooler will also reduce the amount of heat that is transferred into the radiator through the original tranny cooler (I got this from my instructions). The price was 63.00 and 79.00 with shipping from the east coast. The website is http://www.ipttrans.com. These coolers have a bypass, so that when the atf is cold it doesn't try to force it through, also the brackets and hardware that come with it. I heard the Hayden only comes with the zip ties, this comes with both. Also it came with enough hose to hook up one end. The model I have is LPD 4454. One piece of advice that I didn't do but just thought of. When fitting the grill, remove the clips all together till the end, I kept using them to do the fittings. Took a long time and I'm lucky I didn't break any. Good luck with your project.
~Chris

evilplay · 06-11-2006, 05:05 PM

Dude I'm taking this to far i think,pulled radiator today,opend cap and seen the holes
that coolant runs thru some of them were plugged.I took a screw driver and scraped
the corrosion off the holes.I guess i'm going to buy a new raidiator Monday with a new 180 thermastat and new hoses.Do u have any suggestions on what type of rad.,do u think it's a good idea to put the 180 thermastat in.I don't think either one of them has ever been changed.I bought this runner from a doctor who had like five cars.It's the cleanest runner I've came across when I was looking to buy.The odometer read 99,000 on it and he put a new engine in at 96000...Head gaset..so it's been sitting for awhile in his barn.If anyone reading this post has any ideas as to why my 91 runner a/t
is overheating let me know.On the oil cooler install it went sweet,thanks to slosurfer and his pics saved alot of time and headache which i've had enough of the last couple of weeks.When I cut out my grill I used a makita hand held grinding wheel,and i took the clips out like slosurfer recommended,worked out nicely.Well back to headache and get ready for tommorrow,if this doesn't work I'll have a 91 runner for sale with a smashed winshield

mt_goat · 06-11-2006, 06:10 PM

Well Evil, when it comes to new radiators of course the OEM are the best, but VERY expensive. The aftermarket radiators are cheap and some come with a lifetime warranty, so that's the way I went. Doesn't seem to be much in the middle price range. Mine is from http://www.radiator.com/ but others like http://www.radiatorbarn.com/ , probably doesn't make much difference, both use cheap radiators made in China or Mexico or where ever. A lifetime warranty will be the best if you plan on keeping your truck. I've purchased radiators for 3 different vehicles. I've gotten a few replacemants already, the one for my BMW started leaking after a few months. Now I've gotten to where if I have a radiator out anyway for some reason I'll consider sending it back to get a new one.

slosurfer · 06-11-2006, 09:23 PM

I have just driven all the way to Minnesota loaded with camping gear, dog, wife, kid, and small military trailer. Through all the grades, heat, and ac, no tranny problems or overheating of any kind. I turned off the ac on grades of course just to be safe. I wasn't breaking any speed records but I don't care. I do believe that the cooler helps with overall cooling, because some of those grades are long,and never once did the temp start to rise. Evil, I am glad I was able to help and I hope you get it figured out.
~Chris

evilplay · 06-20-2006, 09:46 PM

Dude,has was the camping trip?Good I hope.Well anyways the installation went well,took for alittle test drive and no overheating...en right on.The
next test will be the true challange,loaded down and back up the four lane.That will have to wait a couple of weeks going to L.A. tommorrow until
Sunday.I hate the traffic there.Well thats whats up with my toyo maybe I'll be
taking that overheating prob off my list.Mike

Epic Ed · 06-26-2006, 04:15 PM

Well, my Tru-Flow arrived last week and I got to install it this weekend. As SloSurfer indicates, it is possible to mount in front of the radiator. I found the mounting brackets they provided to be the right combination of flexible and sturdy. On 2nd gen 4Runners, the brackets need to be bent so the cooler sticks out about 2" from flush against the frame so that it will clear the AC hoses and condensor. The key is to not bend them too far out that you can't get the grill back on. Thanks to the pictures SloSurfer posted above a lot my guess work was already done and I got it right with little re-bending needed. I took a couple of photos of the tranny fluid lines and it shows where they come in on the radiator and where they exit. I'll post those up later. I found that I routed my hoses a little different -- but whatever works. Here's a few shots of the work in progress.

I used the screw on the hood latch to mount the upper left corner:

After bending the brackets properly, I then lined up the lower holes and just drilled right into the frame:

Here's a photo from the top that shows how I bent the bracket to clear the AC condensor:

More later...

Ed

slosurfer · 06-27-2006, 09:36 PM

Well, I just got back from my camping trip. Cali to Minnesota to Silverton, Colorado, and back to Cali. 9 states, many grades towing a trailer, wheeling at 12,000 ft., and over 100 degrees today. No problems with anything, other than wishing for more power. Never once did the temp start to rise, so I am completely happy with this cooler. I think it is safe to say that it didn't affect my radiator by being in front of it.

Evil, it sounds like you might have solved your problem. that's awesome!

Epic, I like your install. Your bottom brackets looks like a cleaner job than mine. I think I will redo them when I get a new bumper. I would like to see how you routed your hoses. I was running out of time when I did mine and I would like to see how you did yours.

~Chris

Epic Ed · 06-28-2006, 12:22 PM

Good to hear. Here are a couple of more photos, but not the finished product after I zip-tied everything up. I'll take a couple more and post them. One thing to note -- I did have to go out and buy additional transmission cooler hose to get it done this way. *If anyone does this, please keep in mind the "transmission cooler hose" is NOT regular old fuel line hose.* The ding-bats at Autozone tried to sell me this stuff and fortunately I knew from reading other posts about this mod that fuel line hose is not adequate. I ended up purchasing the stuff from NAPA.

I routed the lower one around to the left of the radiator:

And here you can see where it comes in around the back of the radiator and directly to the return fitting:

I don't have a photo of the upper hose after I zip-tied everything up, but it is routed much like shown here in a shot I took while I was trying to decide the best way to route them. It goes down the same side, around the back of the AC pipes, behind the cooler, around the right side of the radiator, and connects to the "exit" fitting from the radiator:

Here's where it connects -- to the fitting on the right (passenger) side of the radiator:

I was able to put my grill back on without any trimming! So I'm thinking I must have my brackets bent a little more shallow than yours. I haven't put the bumper back on (TJM) completely (still waiting to finish another project), but I did mount it by hand to see if it had clearance -- it's a close fit. I'll have to see how it goes once I'm able to bolt the bumper back on. It looks like it will work without any additional changes, but if I take a hit to the front of the bumper and it collapses more than an inch it will definitely crease the cooler. I tried very hard to consider what a front end collision would do to the integrity of the hoses when I was routing them. I think I did as good a job as possible to keep them away from sharp corners, or from getting pinched between other parts. Bottom line is -- it's not the most robust location for the cooler, but I can bypass it very quickly by simply moving the hoses if the cooler ever gets damaged.

Ed

05-26-2006, 09:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
4x4Lamm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,573	Neat! Are you worried that it may get too hot and melt the grill a little? Where do the lines go to, those little pipes on the bottem of the radiator? Lamm __________________ -1992 4Runner SR5, Destroyed by fire. Lots of mods. I will miss it. -1995 4Runner SR5 Limited, Also known as the money pit. Becoming a trail rig now. -2004 Tacoma SR5 TRD, My new daily driver. I love this truck!

05-26-2006, 10:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	I'm not sure how hot it will get, the closest the grill comes to it is 1/4 in. I want to get a little more clearance just in case I hit something and the grill moves. One of the lines runs into the inlet tube for the transmission and the other one goes to the bottom of the radiator. If I did it right it should go through the stock cooler first then the new cooler. __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

05-27-2006, 11:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	I'm putting in the same brand cooler. I like the way you have it on its side, gravity will help pull the ATF through the small passages. Roadkill, on mine the drivers side of the radiator was "in" from the tranny and the passenger side was the return line to the tranny. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 05-28-2006 at 07:20 AM.

05-27-2006, 08:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Actually I got 2 of the 4454. Here's a pic of the test fitting: http://community.webshots.com/photo/...42310107Mexafx __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

05-27-2006, 10:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	Wow, that's some serious tranny cooling! When you did the 3.4 swap do you keep the same ac condenser or is there more room in the front somehow? __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

05-27-2006, 07:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
InternetRoadkill Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 941	Which side goes in the radiator and which side comes out? The FSM doesn't say. I want to add a cooler to mine after the fluid comes out, but it's not clear which side I need to tap into to do that.

05-28-2006, 07:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Your's will do good there in front of everything. I'm amazed you fit it in there. I've looked at fitting one even smaller than that in front and gave up, and I don't even have that extra AC fan in the way like you do. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

05-29-2006, 08:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	Three Day Update Well, it's been three days since the cooler was installed and everything is working perfectly. One of those days was an all day 4Lo adventure with plenty of bumping around, and another day was a 3 hr. round trip to the lake which has some pretty nasty pothole areas. So far the brackets are keeping everything in place. The brackets are much stronger than they look. __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

05-30-2006, 04:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Yeah those are great brackets they send with those. The Hayden coolers just include plastic ties. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000.

05-30-2006, 06:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
snap-on Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: STL MO Posts: 2,382	i got the same one from jeggs as a B&M cooler. I tried and tried to get it mounted in that location but finally broke down and decided i couldnt make it fit and mounted it a bit lower behind the front vallance. ill snap i pic later __________________ 94 EX cab, 5speed, V6, locked, ARB bar, NWOR headers 92 4runner, auto, V6, OME suspension, Downey headers

05-30-2006, 08:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	It was definately a pain to get it to fit there. I started it one evening then gave up. In the middle of the night was when the idea came to trim the backside of the grill to make it fit. There is no other way to make it work there without dropping it lower behind the valance. I didn't want to do that because I am eventually going to get something like an all pro bumper, so then it would be fully exposed. I had to mount it many times to get it just right, basically once for every bracket, sometimes twice. __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

05-30-2006, 09:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
Epic Ed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 654	Dude -- I've never wanted to kiss a man before, but you just might be the first. I've had my TJM bumper off for a couple of weeks now and I've been looking to try to find a good place to mount a tranny cooler -- BING! You've got the answer!! I can't go lower because my TJM bumper and BudBuilt skid plate cover all of the area beneath the grill. I've thought about just ditching the stock grill and mounting it in the location you put it, but it's nice to know it can be put back on with some trimming. My only concern about mounting it in that spot is restricting air flow to the radiator. I've battled over heating issues with my beeotch for several years and she's a bit sensitive to summer temps out here in the desert. Any thoughts/opinions about that possibility? BTW -- how much was the cooler you bought? Pro/cons vs. the Hayden cooler? Nice work! Ed __________________ '95 4Runner\|32x11.5 BFG TA KOs\|Hi-flow Cat\|Dynomax muffler; 2.25" exhaust\| Downey Headers\|4.88 gears \|Detroit EZ locker \|Detroit TruTrack\|BJ spacers\|Downey HD coils\|2" rear spring spacers\|Rancho RS9000X/RS5000s\|WARN hubs\|TJM T15

06-11-2006, 05:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
evilplay Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Clovis,Ca. or Fresno Posts: 10	Dude I'm taking this to far i think,pulled radiator today,opend cap and seen the holes that coolant runs thru some of them were plugged.I took a screw driver and scraped the corrosion off the holes.I guess i'm going to buy a new raidiator Monday with a new 180 thermastat and new hoses.Do u have any suggestions on what type of rad.,do u think it's a good idea to put the 180 thermastat in.I don't think either one of them has ever been changed.I bought this runner from a doctor who had like five cars.It's the cleanest runner I've came across when I was looking to buy.The odometer read 99,000 on it and he put a new engine in at 96000...Head gaset..so it's been sitting for awhile in his barn.If anyone reading this post has any ideas as to why my 91 runner a/t is overheating let me know.On the oil cooler install it went sweet,thanks to slosurfer and his pics saved alot of time and headache which i've had enough of the last couple of weeks.When I cut out my grill I used a makita hand held grinding wheel,and i took the clips out like slosurfer recommended,worked out nicely.Well back to headache and get ready for tommorrow,if this doesn't work I'll have a 91 runner for sale with a smashed winshield __________________ Evilplay,91 4runner...72 full convert 4x4 jimmy overheating trans,broken antenna mast,blown speakers,cd player doesn't work,oil leak! "Don't fix it,if it ain't broke"

06-11-2006, 06:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 8,916	Well Evil, when it comes to new radiators of course the OEM are the best, but VERY expensive. The aftermarket radiators are cheap and some come with a lifetime warranty, so that's the way I went. Doesn't seem to be much in the middle price range. Mine is from http://www.radiator.com/ but others like http://www.radiatorbarn.com/ , probably doesn't make much difference, both use cheap radiators made in China or Mexico or where ever. A lifetime warranty will be the best if you plan on keeping your truck. I've purchased radiators for 3 different vehicles. I've gotten a few replacemants already, the one for my BMW started leaking after a few months. Now I've gotten to where if I have a radiator out anyway for some reason I'll consider sending it back to get a new one. __________________ ~Dale~ 93 4X4 ext-cab, auto, SR5, 3.4 V6, supercharged, 2.1" pulley, URD fuel mods, Aquamist WI, IPT valve body mod, dual cases, 4" superlift front, Alcan springs rear, 33 BFG MT, ARB locked front & rear, 5.29 US Gears, RB 1" Body Lift, 1.5" ball joint spacers, manual hubs, TJM T-17, Warn m8000. Last edited by mt_goat; 06-12-2006 at 05:23 AM.

06-11-2006, 09:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	update I have just driven all the way to Minnesota loaded with camping gear, dog, wife, kid, and small military trailer. Through all the grades, heat, and ac, no tranny problems or overheating of any kind. I turned off the ac on grades of course just to be safe. I wasn't breaking any speed records but I don't care. I do believe that the cooler helps with overall cooling, because some of those grades are long,and never once did the temp start to rise. Evil, I am glad I was able to help and I hope you get it figured out. ~Chris __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

06-20-2006, 09:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
evilplay Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Clovis,Ca. or Fresno Posts: 10	install Dude,has was the camping trip?Good I hope.Well anyways the installation went well,took for alittle test drive and no overheating...en right on.The next test will be the true challange,loaded down and back up the four lane.That will have to wait a couple of weeks going to L.A. tommorrow until Sunday.I hate the traffic there.Well thats whats up with my toyo maybe I'll be taking that overheating prob off my list.Mike __________________ Evilplay,91 4runner...72 full convert 4x4 jimmy overheating trans,broken antenna mast,blown speakers,cd player doesn't work,oil leak! "Don't fix it,if it ain't broke"

06-26-2006, 04:15 PM	#23 (permalink)
Epic Ed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 654	Well, my Tru-Flow arrived last week and I got to install it this weekend. As SloSurfer indicates, it is possible to mount in front of the radiator. I found the mounting brackets they provided to be the right combination of flexible and sturdy. On 2nd gen 4Runners, the brackets need to be bent so the cooler sticks out about 2" from flush against the frame so that it will clear the AC hoses and condensor. The key is to not bend them too far out that you can't get the grill back on. Thanks to the pictures SloSurfer posted above a lot my guess work was already done and I got it right with little re-bending needed. I took a couple of photos of the tranny fluid lines and it shows where they come in on the radiator and where they exit. I'll post those up later. I found that I routed my hoses a little different -- but whatever works. Here's a few shots of the work in progress. I used the screw on the hood latch to mount the upper left corner: After bending the brackets properly, I then lined up the lower holes and just drilled right into the frame: Here's a photo from the top that shows how I bent the bracket to clear the AC condensor: More later... Ed __________________ '95 4Runner\|32x11.5 BFG TA KOs\|Hi-flow Cat\|Dynomax muffler; 2.25" exhaust\| Downey Headers\|4.88 gears \|Detroit EZ locker \|Detroit TruTrack\|BJ spacers\|Downey HD coils\|2" rear spring spacers\|Rancho RS9000X/RS5000s\|WARN hubs\|TJM T15

06-27-2006, 09:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
slosurfer Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Osos, CA (we can't agree on crap!) Posts: 2,155	update: Well, I just got back from my camping trip. Cali to Minnesota to Silverton, Colorado, and back to Cali. 9 states, many grades towing a trailer, wheeling at 12,000 ft., and over 100 degrees today. No problems with anything, other than wishing for more power. Never once did the temp start to rise, so I am completely happy with this cooler. I think it is safe to say that it didn't affect my radiator by being in front of it. Evil, it sounds like you might have solved your problem. that's awesome! Epic, I like your install. Your bottom brackets looks like a cleaner job than mine. I think I will redo them when I get a new bumper. I would like to see how you routed your hoses. I was running out of time when I did mine and I would like to see how you did yours. ~Chris __________________ Chris 7th Annual Pismo Jamboree: Sept. 25-27, 2009 '93 4runner SR5 3.0 Auto 4WD '07 Tacoma Dcab 4x4 TRD offroad '89 F250 4x4 w/utility bed M416 1/4 ton military trailer "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan Semper Fi SLO 4wheelers

06-28-2006, 12:22 PM	#25 (permalink)
Epic Ed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 654	Good to hear. Here are a couple of more photos, but not the finished product after I zip-tied everything up. I'll take a couple more and post them. One thing to note -- I did have to go out and buy additional transmission cooler hose to get it done this way. If anyone does this, please keep in mind the "transmission cooler hose" is NOT regular old fuel line hose. The ding-bats at Autozone tried to sell me this stuff and fortunately I knew from reading other posts about this mod that fuel line hose is not adequate. I ended up purchasing the stuff from NAPA. I routed the lower one around to the left of the radiator: And here you can see where it comes in around the back of the radiator and directly to the return fitting: I don't have a photo of the upper hose after I zip-tied everything up, but it is routed much like shown here in a shot I took while I was trying to decide the best way to route them. It goes down the same side, around the back of the AC pipes, behind the cooler, around the right side of the radiator, and connects to the "exit" fitting from the radiator: Here's where it connects -- to the fitting on the right (passenger) side of the radiator: I was able to put my grill back on without any trimming! So I'm thinking I must have my brackets bent a little more shallow than yours. I haven't put the bumper back on (TJM) completely (still waiting to finish another project), but I did mount it by hand to see if it had clearance -- it's a close fit. I'll have to see how it goes once I'm able to bolt the bumper back on. It looks like it will work without any additional changes, but if I take a hit to the front of the bumper and it collapses more than an inch it will definitely crease the cooler. I tried very hard to consider what a front end collision would do to the integrity of the hoses when I was routing them. I think I did as good a job as possible to keep them away from sharp corners, or from getting pinched between other parts. Bottom line is -- it's not the most robust location for the cooler, but I can bypass it very quickly by simply moving the hoses if the cooler ever gets damaged. Ed __________________ '95 4Runner\|32x11.5 BFG TA KOs\|Hi-flow Cat\|Dynomax muffler; 2.25" exhaust\| Downey Headers\|4.88 gears \|Detroit EZ locker \|Detroit TruTrack\|BJ spacers\|Downey HD coils\|2" rear spring spacers\|Rancho RS9000X/RS5000s\|WARN hubs\|TJM T15 Last edited by Epic Ed; 06-28-2006 at 12:31 PM.

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