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Tranny Removal Writeup
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I have removed 4 different transmissions and one of them twice, and I have never drained the fluid from either the tranny or the t-case, it is completely unnecessary, you are remove them and reinstall them full.
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HAHA, when swapped in my manual tranny, I only found out it was full after I installed it! It was so much lighter than the automatic that I figured it couldn't have any fluid in it.
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My .02 is if you do drain the fluids, put new fluid in through the shifter hole in the top after the trans is back in but before you re-install the shifters. Its way easier to just pour it in the top then it is to try to pump it into the little fill hole on the trans.
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Why drain them? I have a 1992 truck that has the fluid in the manual tranny from the factory. It has had a clutch in it last year and the motor rebuilt in the past 6 months and still never drained the tranny or t-case. Just my .02
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Sorry about the delay heres the pics, I took them after I was done because I didnt think I was going to do a writeup but I will have step by step pictures from now on. Its a good idea to change fluid because if your clutch is out your fluid is probably not in good shape either. You say you have factory fluid still? Well I have 155K+ on my rig and I wouldnt trust fluid that old. Factory specs say tranny fluid should be exchanged every 60,000 and front/rear diff should be every 30,000 depending on driving conditions. And it makes the tranny that much lighter unless you enjoy removing 200lbs of steel.
Heres the tools you will need; ![]() Heres the drain and fill holes for the tranny; ![]() ![]() Heres the drain and fill for the transfer; ![]() And heres the sheilding piece, and correction there are 3 bolts not 4 sorry the one on towards the passenger side is a 12mm and the other 2 are 14mm; ![]() Ill be workin on it again tonight and Ill have it updated early morning or late tonight
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1995 4Runner 3.0 V6 5Speed. 33x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains. Torsions turned up, 1.5'' BJ Spacers, 2'' Coil spring spacers, Eibach rear coils; about 3'' of lift? 4.88s. Custom intake. Custom exhaust. 1500 Watt sound system. Centerforce Pressure Plate/Clutch. Yakima roof rack setup with 4 baja lights. My rig page: http://yotatech.com/showthread.php?p...1#post50467261 Last edited by Bejiita; 02-26-2007 at 01:57 PM. |
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Geez, there is so much bad information in this thread... I'm not sure it can be salvaged.
* The FIRST thing you do with this job is to disconnect the battery, then put the front of the truck up on some tall jack stands. Ramps are even better. * You don't need to completely remove the driveshafts. Just unbolt the rear one from the transfer output flange. Swing it out of the way. Unbolt the front one from the differential flange only, let it hang from the transfer. Then just unbolt the anti-swaybar from the frame, so you can slide it back with the tranny as you remove the whole thing. If you're worried about the extra weight of the front driveshaft making things too off-balance and your jack getting tippy, well then your jack sucks, get a better one. * When you unbolt that "shield" that goes around the cardan joint from the tranny like that, you can sometimes cause the gasket where the case sections are bolted together to start to leak. Leave it alone. If you really have to remove the front driveshaft, take off the bottom half of the shield, throw that POS in the trash, then unbolt the other end of the shaft after you get the crossmember out of the way. * You don't need to drain the fluid from the tranny or transfer, if you're only doing the clutch. And just because the clutch may be toast, it doesn't mean the gear lube is too. * You can't always fill the transfer case thru the shifter hole. You can only do this on top-shift cases, such as the W56-series tranny. If you do this with the R150F in a V6 truck, the fluid will only go into the transmission, overfilling it, and no fluid will be in the t-case. * You're crazy if you think you can feel any difference in weight by draining the fluids. * You're even crazier if you run the fluid in your tranny for more than about 80K miles. This is what ruins transmissions and makes them fail early. Gear lube is cheap, trannys aren't. * Don't even think about putting the jack under the tranny until you have the driveshafts disconnected, the starter is out, the wires are disconnected, shifters are out, the crossmember unbolted and out of the way, and the bottom 4 bellhousing bolts are out. Carry on...
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Why disconnect the battery before you do any electric work? I normally do this first but I havent even looked at the starter let alone touched it yet so it wouldnt make any difference to this point. I didnt say drain the fluid because of weight alone its just so you can replace it later, and I dont need to lift my truck because it has a lift kit on it.
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Disconnect the battery first so you don't forget. It sucks when you've got your head inside the inner fender, starter in hand, unbolted, and the + lead touches ground, sparks go flying and you bonk your head. A friend forgot to disconnect the battery in his FJ40 a few years go and when he started removing the crossmember, the engine tilted and a wire grounded out, it almost burned his garage down with him under the truck.
OK, yes if the truck is lifted then you probebly don't need to put it on stands or ramps. But it's really nice having plenty of room under there, I like to be able to sit on the floor while I'm swapping the rear main seal and flywheel. uhhh... you ARE gonna replace the RMS, right?
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I was planning on it, I have no leaks atm but who says I wont in a few thousand miles eh?
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1995 4Runner 3.0 V6 5Speed. 33x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains. Torsions turned up, 1.5'' BJ Spacers, 2'' Coil spring spacers, Eibach rear coils; about 3'' of lift? 4.88s. Custom intake. Custom exhaust. 1500 Watt sound system. Centerforce Pressure Plate/Clutch. Yakima roof rack setup with 4 baja lights. My rig page: http://yotatech.com/showthread.php?p...1#post50467261 |
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So I didnt get done with all that I hoped to tonight, I got the the second starter bolt and couldnt get it out so I gave up for the night before I got mad at the vehicle but heres where I got;
Step 4; Remove the 4 philips screws from the front shifter surround, then the 2 in the stroage compartment under the armrest and remove the shifter nobs to let the boot clear. ![]() ![]() Remove the plastic surround and then there are 4 philips screws holding the rubber boots to the body, my haynes manual says they vary from philips to 10mm bolts so depending on year it may be different. ![]() Now remove the rubber boots, they may stick a little but just convince them off, then there are a total of 8 12mm bolts holding the shifter and 4WD selector to the trannsmission. ![]() I could only get the bottom 2 of the gear shifter so I will have to wait untill I can move the tranny out a bit, if you have to do this make 100% sure to finish this or it could cause a lot of problems later on. Step 5; Disconnect the battery and move on to the starter, its in a very bad place IMO. ![]() Before you can reach the rear bolt you need to remove the slave cylinder from the bell housing though, there are 2 12mm bolts and they both came off very easy. Forgot to snap a pic sorry :-/ Theres 2 bolts, one facing the front and one facing the rear of the vehicle both are 14mm. The one facing the rear I used a 3'' extension and it came off fairly easy. ![]() The one towards the front seems to be a lot tougher, I couldnt decide weather to squeeze in by the A-Arm or to use a long extension and go from the front so I tried both and neither got me very far and this is where I got stuck tonight, Ill try some more options tomorrow but I will have to buy a wobble and it should make it much easier. Front ![]() Through the little hole by the A-Arm
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im probably a little excessive but every march is total gear fluid change i know i heard it before all im doing is wasting money welllll nooooo thats whats my wife and daughters do
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Its not wasting money, Id much rather spend 40 bucks then hundreds to replace/repair the tranny, Ive worked at a lube shop for over a year now and thee most important thing to extend the life of any moving mechanical part is to keep fresh fluid in it, you cant change your fluid too often.
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Please don't take my previous posts or other corrections as criticism. The first time I did a clutch job in a V6 truck, it took me and a friend an entire weekend, 2 VERY long days. Much of this was because we got some bad advice. I think that was in 1998. I've now done so many of them, the last tranny I pulled out took me 45 minutes, working by myself. I'm just sharing some tricks I've learned over the years.
* You don't need to unbolt the shifter housings, in fact it's not a good idea. It can spoil the gasket seal and they can start to leak. For the gear shifter, all you need to do is lift off the little boot at the bottom of the shifter, there is a collar around the base of the shifter. Push down and turn it CCW about 1/8 of a turn, it will pop up. Then the shifter will lift right out. This will also give you a chance to inspect the shifter seat, which wears out often, makes the shifter really sloppy. You can get a new one from the dealer, or Marlin sells a heavy duty replacement. For the t-case, again lift up the little boot, take a pair of needle-nose pliers and squeeze in the snap ring ears so you can pop it out of the groove in the shifter base. Then just lift the shifter out. Very easy and fast. * Some trucks have a little access panel behind the pass side front wheel. This panel unbolts, and gives better access to the starter. You might have to remove the tire to get to it, but not if you have lifted your truck. A few other tips: * Try to get your hands on a spare flywheel and have it surfaced ahead of time, so you can just swap it in. No waiting on the maching shop. Maybe borrow a flywheel, then give them back your old one in return. * Always replace the RMS. ALWAYS. * I often also replace the transfer output flange seal while I have the driveshaft off. Takes only a few minutes, cheap insurance. * If you haven't changed the fuel filter in a long time, this is the time to do it. On the 22RE it's much easier to reach from below with the tranny out of the way. With the 3VZ V6, it's a lot easier to do with the crossmember out of the way. * If this is a V6 like yours is, check the exhaust nuts on the manifolds and crossover pipe while the tranny is out of the way. They can sometimes come loose, tightening them later is a huge pain. Maybe even replace them all with new donut gaskets. Again, cheap insurance. Good luck!
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Thanks for the additional advice, Im just going off of gut feeling right now and briefly looking at the manual so if theres wrong info on here please do correct it so I dont mislead someone, Im just trying to follow the same steps I did when I replaced my RX-7 clutch.
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Hey guys I forgot to take my cam with me to the shop sorry, but Ill try and be detailed. Last night I got into a hurry and I just now realized I was turning the bolt the wrong way on the starter -_- doh! I just went at it from the front with a 18'' extension and it came right out then I just moved the starter out of the way.
Step 6; Remove all the bell housing bolts you can access, theres 4 on the bottom that are 14mm, then 4 on the sides that are 17mm and 2 more on top that are 17mm but wont be accessable until you can move the tranny down so get what you can for now. Step 7; Through the crossmember now are 4 12mm bolts holding the crossmember to the trannsmission cradle. These are all easily accessable and came out with no major torque. Once these are removed jack up on the tranny a little to relieve pressure from the crossmember. Now there are a total of 8 17mm bolts holding the crossmember to the frame. Work one side at a time and before you remove the crossmember unhook the wire harness from the top of it. Now remove the crossmember and set aside. Step 8; Now for the final 2 bell housing bolts, these can be kind of tough to get and will require a woble and a long extension. Lower the tranny and let it hang on the motor mounts. Theres no good way to explain how to get these, your just going to have to try and find what feels comfortable for you and remove them. Before you get the final bolt out have at least one extra one threaded in a little. Now you are ready to pull out the tranny, I got to here tonight because I need a friend to remove it and I would suggest you have a partner for this part as well. Make sure you jack the tranny back up as to not ruin your motor mounts!
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I removed those top 2 bellhousing bolts by going through the shifter hole in the floorboard with a 12" extension/17mm socket.
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I got to my top bell housing bolts with a Rube Goldberg assortment of 1/2" extensions, and a U-Joint. I think I had 2 12", 1 6" 1 3", plus the U-Joint and socket.
I snaked that up to the bolts from the bottom, by the frame rails. Not elegant, but it works!
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Just wait until you have to re-install the tranny. Then the fun begins
I ended up making some dowels out of some bolts with the heads cut off to make it easier to line up the tranny. Two sets of hands make it easier as well. Good luck!
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Seriously, all you need is a long extension, at least 24" works well, and a wobble socket. You can also use a u-joint and a socket, but quarters are kinda tight, the wobbles are better. Remove the lower bellhousing bolts, slave cylinder, starter, then the crossmember. Unbolt the t-case mount from the crossmember first (12 mm socket), then do the 4 17mm bolts at each end. LET THE TRANNY DROOP UNDER IT'S OWN WEIGHT. Trust me, I've done this many times, you're not gonna hurt anything. It will not hurt your engine mounts, and nothing will get damaged in the engine compartment. Ignore all that crap in the FSM about putting another jack under the back of the engine. Just let it droop. I learned this from a Master Tech friend that used to do 2-3 clutches a day when he worked at a dealership. Put the tranny jack under the tranny, lift up the carrier, get it aligned, lift the tranny just enough so the jack is just barely starting to take some weight. Strap/chain the tranny to the jack (very important). Take the long extension with wobble socket or u-joint/socket setup, stab it up onto each top bolt. You have to come at each bolt from the respective side, you can't get them both from one side. An impact gun works really well here, but not absolutely necessary if you don't have air tools. Remove the bolts. Once you are SURE that all the bolts are out and everything is disconnected (did you disconnect the 4WD and R connectors?), grab the back of the t-case by the output flange and wobble it back and forth. You're using the leverage of the bellhousing to start walking the input shaft out of the pilot bearing. It only takes a little bit. Once you see things start to seperate, stuff a big prybar between the engine and bellhousing, pry them apart the rest of the way. Usually once you get the thing back about 1/2" or so it is very free and is really to come down. Roll it back as far as you can, lower the jack a little, repeat. Stabbing it back on is not that hard. Try to get a clutch lineup tool, they are only a couple $$ at AutoZone, but I've done it by eye in a pinch too. You just have to remember that without the weight of the tranny hanging from the back of the engine, it will be tilted a little less now. Bring the tail of the tranny up a little as you jack it back up. Try to eyeball the bellhousing to parallel to the back of the engine, in all planes. It should pop back together pretty easily. Having good light and a second person is a huge help.
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I 2nd that, these can work real well. After removing the bolt heads, I've slotted the ends w/ a Dremel to make insertion/extraction easier.
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I personally prefer to remove the whole front d-shaft, it just gets it completely out of the way, but I do leave the rear connected to the rear diff. Letting the tranny hang isn't bad, but I still prefer not to do it, so I usually have the tranny jack up under there when I start to take off the crossmember. Also, I ditched the stupid blast shield a long time ago.
Like I said though, after having done a few, these are just my personal preferences. I agree with everything KLF said. As for taking it out and putting it in, you want it to be as level as possible, so if you are sure that all the bolts are out and you cannot get it to move, try raising or lowering the jack some to level it out. Otherwise the shaft will bind in the pilot bearing.
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Thanks again, I just bought an electric impact seeing as Ill need it for the flywheel anyways, so they should come out a lot easier now. And I forgot to mention that, make sure you get all the connections removed from the tranny and remove the speedo cable at the rear of the tranny.
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