Toyo vs Nissan

Nothingbutyoda93 · 12-09-2008, 08:53 AM

My buddy wants a 4wd nissan. he has a 2wd 1999 pre runner.
the dealer told him that the 4 cylinders are junk an have no power. AND ABSOUNTLY NO ONE WANTS ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS...and wouldnt give him more then 3000 for it. the nissan is a 96 with 90000 miles and a inside door panel missing.. O and the main reason i posted this the retard said nissans last longer and have more power and the toyota trucks suck.

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stagger_lee · 12-09-2008, 09:13 AM

I sold my 96 Nissan xtra cab 4x4 with 190k just before I bought my 84 4runner. I hated that truck. Given I never took care of it, but the engine made so much noise. There is problems with wrist pins and rod bearings. Timing chain tensioners dont last. Throw out bearings don't last, and it had no power. I got $3200 from some poor sap. I feel more comfortable driving my 84 runner with 215K then that thing. Feels more solid, gear box is smoother and engine just sounds and runs so much smoother. Way more power. I feel bad for your boy if his does this. He will kick himself.

Funny thing, I saw it up on craigslist about 2 weeks later for $4k, its still up there 6 weeks later. I wanted to email him and ask whats wrong with it, just to be an a$$ but I didn't. Did I mention there is absolutely no aftermarket support whatsoever for that truck. Oh and the 95 and 96 and had completely different trannys and other quirks that they dont import used parts for some reason like most japanese cars, so good luck finding parts.

Let me also add that I always owned toyotas, family owns all toyotas and always has. This was the first car I bought that wasn't a toyota. I thought japanese was japanese. I was a fool and learned my lesson. Good to have a full family of yotes again.

Here was mine:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/100_1885.jpg

highonpottery · 12-09-2008, 11:11 AM

the dealer said nobody wants a 99 prerunner 4cyl - and he would only offer him $3000? that's just retarded if you ask me, toyotas don't depreciate that much unless something is wrong with it. i think the 2.7l has plenty of power especially since he doesn't have the extra couple hundred pounds of 4wd parts to lug around. the 3.4l is really nice and all, but these days more economical cars and trucks seem more desirable for the average person. I'd try going somewhere other than the dealer if he really wants to sell it. And if he does decide to get the Nissan just tell him to put lots of cash aside for parts and recovery equipment and then ask him which you STILL see on the road - a mid 90s Toyota or a mid 90s Nissan? Who the hell names their vehicles "Hardbody" anyways???

I can't talk too much trash about Nissans as I DID own one at one point and I loved it and was bummed to sell it...but then again it wasn't technically a "Nissan", but instead it was an '84 Datsun Nissan/720 pickup (last year of Datsun) and that thing hauled ass for a little 2wd, 5spd w/Z24 engine. I never had one problem with it except one day I was really really low on gas and the fuel pump sucked up some schmutz after I decided to drift a turn. I sold it to a guy who bought it as a surprise for his son's 16th birthday...lucky kid - I made a lot of mods to that truck, but it was missing two crucial things...4wd and a Toyota emblem!!! I think the only other Nissan I would buy is a Titan, but I've already got my eyes set on that badass Tundra Diesel Dually.....

Oh yeah, and there are hardly any Nissan forums out there for support.

SKULLYOTA · 12-09-2008, 11:18 AM

IMO, the older pre- "hardbody" nissans weren't as bad, with the NAP-Z engines
people used to convert them to 4wd using Spencer Low conversion kits.
but most japanese trucks are pretty damn tuff, rather have a nissan than an S10.

stagger_lee · 12-09-2008, 11:19 AM

I'll give your boy $3500 for his yote.

stagger_lee · 12-09-2008, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKULLYOTA

IMO, the older pre- "hardbody" nissans weren't as bad, with the NAP-Z engines
people used to convert them to 4wd using Spencer Low conversion kits.
but most japanese trucks are pretty damn tuff, rather have a nissan than an S10.

Before 95 fine, but something happened in 95 and then it went OBD2 and everything was f-ed. Trust me. PITA truck.

SKULLYOTA · 12-09-2008, 11:22 AM

obd2 is the devil...

Tacoclimber · 12-09-2008, 11:25 AM

My dad has an 05 Nissan Titan with about 40K on the clock. He just had to have the radiator replaced and there's what sounds like a valve tick coming from the engine. He also had to take it in earlier this year for something else (not sure what). My Tacoma's got almost 90K, been driven hard, and wheeled moderately hard... No issues.

Don't tell me Nissans are better than Toyotas. That guy's a salesman for Nissan. What do you think he'd tell him about his Toyota, Nissan's #1 competitor?

yoder519 · 12-09-2008, 11:49 AM

my buddy has a 96 frontier. and i thought my truck was slow. he was in 5th gear to floor on the interstate on level ground and couldnt get it past 85. and thats with 30 inch tires.

Gokumono · 12-09-2008, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoder519

my buddy has a 96 frontier. and i thought my truck was slow. he was in 5th gear to floor on the interstate on level ground and couldnt get it past 85. and thats with 30 inch tires.

My first vehicle was a 93 Plymouth Voyager (was passed down. Didnt really want it, but took it for time being), it was about the same.
Had that pedal nailed to the floor trying to max it out on the highway... think i hit 87-89 max. That thing had no power. lol.
I hate dodge though, they SUCK!

toyota4x4907 · 12-09-2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gokumono

My first vehicle was a 93 Plymouth Voyager (was passed down. Didnt really want it, but took it for time being), it was about the same.
Had that pedal nailed to the floor trying to max it out on the highway... think i hit 87-89 max. That thing had no power. lol.
I hate dodge though, they SUCK!

dude, my mom used to have a '93 Plymouth Voyager, and that thing Hauled A$$. it carried 2 of my sisters, my mom, my 110 pound dog, about 150lbs on the roof (50 over the recommended amount) me, and probably another 100 pounds in the back from Florida to Alaska in 10 days and it just needed the tranny fluid and oil changed after that

. plus it had the "EAT power" button. she got it up to 113 miles per hour on that trip passing a Semi with two trailers

Why doesnt the dude whos selling the prerunner take it to a Toyota dealership, sell it, then go to the NIssan Dealership and buy the Nissan?

chrisbnaz · 12-09-2008, 12:33 PM

Why is OBD2 the devil? I personally love it. Makes diagnosing alot of things easy as cake, no sniffer for emmissions (here anyways) as long as an OB2 car doesn't have any trouble codes stored, it passes emmissions.

wii_tarded · 12-09-2008, 12:42 PM

Nissan's blow. The only good thing I got out of a Nissan was enough money to by my 4 runner. Had a '05 Sentra, blew a head gasket twice in 10 months. Filed lemon law suit and they bought the pos back. that was last Feb, and found the 4 runner on craigs list for $2400. Love the yota, and never going back.

saitotiktmdog · 12-09-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyota4x4907

dude, my mom used to have a '93 Plymouth Voyager, and that thing Hauled A$$. it carried 2 of my sisters, my mom, my 110 pound dog, about 150lbs on the roof (50 over the recommended amount) me, and probably another 100 pounds in the back from Florida to Alaska in 10 days and it just needed the tranny fluid and oil changed after that

. plus it had the "EAT power" button. she got it up to 113 miles per hour on that trip passing a Semi with two trailers

Why doesnt the dude whos selling the prerunner take it to a Toyota dealership, sell it, then go to the NIssan Dealership and buy the Nissan?

They had one witha 4 cyl and a six. The 3.3 six was peppy and fast. The 4 cyl was how do you say. SLOOOWWWW

saitotiktmdog · 12-09-2008, 12:50 PM

My dads 08 X-Terra is pretty sweet but I like toyota better.

95_4MuddinSr5 · 12-09-2008, 01:20 PM

I read most of these replys but when i stubbled upon Highonpottery's reply about the Tudra Deisel Dually i had to google it. That Tundra, if they make 'em, is gonna be bada$$, and i think they will make there mark with it like they did with the new Tundra, sorry for gettin off topic of the thread. Nissans i think are capable, but Toyotas have a much wider selection of aftermarket parts. Toyota all the way!

stagger_lee · 12-09-2008, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wii_tarded

The only good thing I got out of a Nissan was enough money to buy my 4 runner.

LMFAO x2

camo31"10.50" · 12-09-2008, 02:20 PM

first off..there aint nothin wrong with dodge...as far as i know..lol..at least not with the 24V diesels..lol..we had an '02 quad cab short bed 4x4 with the cummins 24V diesel..i personally put over 30,000 miles on it..(in quite a short amount of time)..i took it through some mud..relined it a few times..raced it a bit..i was doin burnouts constantly..and never had not ONE problem with it..well..had to replace the ujoints in the front driveshaft..and the double cardan joint too..but thats regular maintenance..never burned a drop of oil..was very quiet..(like..abnormal noises..cummins diesels are LOUD)..my dad made a few 1000 mile trips in it..it was a great truck...parts are HIGH DOLLAR...but dont go around saying DODGE SUCKS..cuz it dont..maybe a few models do...but the diesel 4x4 we had was 100000 times better than this old toyota..in every way..had more power..got close to the same gas mileage..never had any parts to fix..was roomier..in LOADS better shape..lol..of course i do LOVE MY TOYOTA TO DEATH!!!!

space-junk · 12-09-2008, 02:33 PM

your coming on a toyota forum and asking our advice on weather or not your friend should get a Nissan???

lol...
i say, keep the pre-runner and do a LT kit on the front... cheaper than maintenence on a nissan...

eightnine · 12-09-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camo31"10.50"

first off..there aint nothin wrong with dodge...as far as i know..lol..at least not with the 24V diesels..lol..we had an '02 quad cab short bed 4x4 with the cummins 24V diesel..i personally put over 30,000 miles on it..(in quite a short amount of time)..i took it through some mud..relined it a few times..raced it a bit..i was doin burnouts constantly..and never had not ONE problem with it..well..had to replace the ujoints in the front driveshaft..and the double cardan joint too..but thats regular maintenance..never burned a drop of oil..was very quiet..(like..abnormal noises..cummins diesels are LOUD)..my dad made a few 1000 mile trips in it..it was a great truck...parts are HIGH DOLLAR...but dont go around saying DODGE SUCKS..cuz it dont..maybe a few models do...but the diesel 4x4 we had was 100000 times better than this old toyota..in every way..had more power..got close to the same gas mileage..never had any parts to fix..was roomier..in LOADS better shape..lol..of course i do LOVE MY TOYOTA TO DEATH!!!!

Lets see how reliable that dodge is if it gets to ur trucks age

Tacoclimber · 12-09-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightnine

Lets see how reliable that dodge is if it gets to ur trucks age

Yeah, it's not really a comparison when you're comparing a 6 year old truck with a 22 year old truck...

91Toyota · 12-09-2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camo31"10.50"

first off..there aint nothin wrong with dodge...as far as i know..lol..at least not with the 24V diesels..lol..we had an '02 quad cab short bed 4x4 with the cummins 24V diesel..i personally put over 30,000 miles on it..(in quite a short amount of time)..i took it through some mud..relined it a few times..raced it a bit..i was doin burnouts constantly..and never had not ONE problem with it..well..had to replace the ujoints in the front driveshaft..and the double cardan joint too..but thats regular maintenance..never burned a drop of oil..was very quiet..(like..abnormal noises..cummins diesels are LOUD)..my dad made a few 1000 mile trips in it..it was a great truck...parts are HIGH DOLLAR...but dont go around saying DODGE SUCKS..cuz it dont..maybe a few models do...but the diesel 4x4 we had was 100000 times better than this old toyota..in every way..had more power..got close to the same gas mileage..never had any parts to fix..was roomier..in LOADS better shape..lol..of course i do LOVE MY TOYOTA TO DEATH!!!!

Dodge still sucks...Cummins sells engines to Dodge. If Cummins put there engine in a Chevy...I would buy that. If Cummins put their engine in a Ford...I would buy that. It just so happens that Dodge carries the Cummins.

Matt16 · 12-09-2008, 03:48 PM

There's a line by a the head guy with Chrysler (I think) that went something like "out of ten of our vehicles is as good any anything the Japanese ever made, 3 are comparable in quality to the average Japanese car"...and so on.

I'd rather KNOW its good quality than play a game of Russian Roulette with my vehicle choice. I do a lot of trips alone (I go fishing on my own) and I don't want something that is "kind of reliable".

Bigblock · 12-09-2008, 03:51 PM

A Nissan is a Dodge from Japan.The worst thing about a Nissan is the brakes,starter,front end sucks,clutches,4wd dont work,and they are UGLY!
Bigblock

highonpottery · 12-09-2008, 05:35 PM

those nissan pickups body style definitely went to crap when they got rid of the 720 body style with the exterior bedrail/hooks (which I wish my toyota came with stock - you lucky pre 84 and hilux guys).

but seriously, like space-junk said, we are TOYOTA guys and you should be convincing your buddy to instead just get himself a badass LT kit and an e-locker if he doesn't already have it.

OR...if it were me and if i had the space, i'd keep the prerunner as a DD and go buy a $1k yota that runs and drives as a project.

12-09-2008, 11:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
highonpottery Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Citrus Hts., CA Posts: 255	the dealer said nobody wants a 99 prerunner 4cyl - and he would only offer him $3000? that's just retarded if you ask me, toyotas don't depreciate that much unless something is wrong with it. i think the 2.7l has plenty of power especially since he doesn't have the extra couple hundred pounds of 4wd parts to lug around. the 3.4l is really nice and all, but these days more economical cars and trucks seem more desirable for the average person. I'd try going somewhere other than the dealer if he really wants to sell it. And if he does decide to get the Nissan just tell him to put lots of cash aside for parts and recovery equipment and then ask him which you STILL see on the road - a mid 90s Toyota or a mid 90s Nissan? Who the hell names their vehicles "Hardbody" anyways??? I can't talk too much trash about Nissans as I DID own one at one point and I loved it and was bummed to sell it...but then again it wasn't technically a "Nissan", but instead it was an '84 Datsun Nissan/720 pickup (last year of Datsun) and that thing hauled ass for a little 2wd, 5spd w/Z24 engine. I never had one problem with it except one day I was really really low on gas and the fuel pump sucked up some schmutz after I decided to drift a turn. I sold it to a guy who bought it as a surprise for his son's 16th birthday...lucky kid - I made a lot of mods to that truck, but it was missing two crucial things...4wd and a Toyota emblem!!! I think the only other Nissan I would buy is a Titan, but I've already got my eyes set on that badass Tundra Diesel Dually..... Oh yeah, and there are hardly any Nissan forums out there for support. __________________ 1993 X-Cab - 4wd - 5spd - 22re - 200k miles (no rebuilds...yet) \| 31" Michelins \| factory 4.88s \| LockRight (R) \| diff breathers \| RockTech IFS Truss \| OME leafs, shocks and steering dampener \| SDORI BJ spacers \| removed swaybar \| Cobra 76xtr CB \| nerf bars \| "RastaJack" antenna ball \| next: timing chain, 33s and armor 2002 UZJ100 Land Cruiser - in progress 2001 Corolla S - cold/rainy DD 2001 SV650 naked - nice weather DD

12-09-2008, 11:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
SKULLYOTA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 152	IMO, the older pre- "hardbody" nissans weren't as bad, with the NAP-Z engines people used to convert them to 4wd using Spencer Low conversion kits. but most japanese trucks are pretty damn tuff, rather have a nissan than an S10. __________________ 1987 Truck, tube frame flatbed, homemade bumpers, stockish running gear, Aussie locker in rear-end, bronco tire carrier, 36" Swampers on American Racing Baja 16x8's, 1.5" BJ spacers, rear lowered 1" with u-bolt flip, Summit racing seats, long travel front shock mounts, 8000 lb winch, rear frame mounted gin pole, several ammo boxes for storage, air tank, snorkel, smokestack, 4.88s, 1" aluminum body lift. and lots of skulls. check out my truck Senate Minority Report on "Global Warming"

12-09-2008, 11:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
SKULLYOTA Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 152	obd2 is the devil... __________________ 1987 Truck, tube frame flatbed, homemade bumpers, stockish running gear, Aussie locker in rear-end, bronco tire carrier, 36" Swampers on American Racing Baja 16x8's, 1.5" BJ spacers, rear lowered 1" with u-bolt flip, Summit racing seats, long travel front shock mounts, 8000 lb winch, rear frame mounted gin pole, several ammo boxes for storage, air tank, snorkel, smokestack, 4.88s, 1" aluminum body lift. and lots of skulls. check out my truck Senate Minority Report on "Global Warming"

12-09-2008, 11:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tacoclimber Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Between a rock and a hard place, AZ Posts: 3,713	My dad has an 05 Nissan Titan with about 40K on the clock. He just had to have the radiator replaced and there's what sounds like a valve tick coming from the engine. He also had to take it in earlier this year for something else (not sure what). My Tacoma's got almost 90K, been driven hard, and wheeled moderately hard... No issues. Don't tell me Nissans are better than Toyotas. That guy's a salesman for Nissan. What do you think he'd tell him about his Toyota, Nissan's #1 competitor? __________________ CJ ...<>< 03 DC TRD Tacoma 4wd with a bunch of junk. SOLD 1964 Chevy Biscayne, 230 I6, lowered, satin black, old-school legit. Just wheel the stupid thing!!! But do it responsibly, ok? My band: Road Worn Saints

12-09-2008, 11:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
yoder519 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: virginia Posts: 1,005	my buddy has a 96 frontier. and i thought my truck was slow. he was in 5th gear to floor on the interstate on level ground and couldnt get it past 85. and thats with 30 inch tires. __________________ Sold&Missed 95 Yota pu 22RE/33x12.50 Maxxis Buckshot Mudders/TG Sliders/4Crawler 2in BL//TG Diff Breather/Herculined Floorboard/Magnaflow Hi-Flow Cat/2.25" Exhaust/Glasspack/Procomp black steelies/Procomp shocks/Superlift 2" AALs/4 Crawler 1.5" BJers 1998 Dodge Cummins 24V 4x4 5spd/Quad Arenaline/4in Exhaust/6in Tip/AFE Intake

12-09-2008, 12:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
chrisbnaz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 360	Why is OBD2 the devil? I personally love it. Makes diagnosing alot of things easy as cake, no sniffer for emmissions (here anyways) as long as an OB2 car doesn't have any trouble codes stored, it passes emmissions. __________________ Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. - Abe Lincoln.

12-09-2008, 12:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
wii_tarded Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 223	Nissan's blow. The only good thing I got out of a Nissan was enough money to by my 4 runner. Had a '05 Sentra, blew a head gasket twice in 10 months. Filed lemon law suit and they bought the pos back. that was last Feb, and found the 4 runner on craigs list for $2400. Love the yota, and never going back. __________________ '91 Runner, 31's, Flowmaster, ISR. What should be, and what is, are two different things! Live so the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral!

12-09-2008, 12:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
saitotiktmdog Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 679	My dads 08 X-Terra is pretty sweet but I like toyota better. __________________ 1994 toyota 4x4. 22re turbo (sds em4, intercooler, steedspeed manifold, garrett t3) 4 inch procomp stage two lift front, t-bar crank(small), trail gear 4 inch rear lift with 6" shackles. ARB bull bar and warn winch, Quick lock rear, tru trac front 35x12.50 Pro-Comp Mud Terrains, 5.29 gears, snorkel, rock sliders Planned mods. , T-case gears, ditch ifs Beware the groove Man, its a shame when folks be throwin away a perfectly good white boy like that.

12-09-2008, 01:20 PM	#16 (permalink)
95_4MuddinSr5 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Deland Posts: 99	I read most of these replys but when i stubbled upon Highonpottery's reply about the Tudra Deisel Dually i had to google it. That Tundra, if they make 'em, is gonna be bada$$, and i think they will make there mark with it like they did with the new Tundra, sorry for gettin off topic of the thread. Nissans i think are capable, but Toyotas have a much wider selection of aftermarket parts. Toyota all the way! __________________ 95 4Runner With 4" Pro-comp lift with 2" rear coilspacer and front torsion bars slighty cranked. About 6" Total lift. Rolling on 16x10 Mickey Thompson Classic locks, wrapped up in 305/70 R16 BFG Mud Terrains. Rebuilding motor, blown head-gasket.

12-09-2008, 02:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,063	first off..there aint nothin wrong with dodge...as far as i know..lol..at least not with the 24V diesels..lol..we had an '02 quad cab short bed 4x4 with the cummins 24V diesel..i personally put over 30,000 miles on it..(in quite a short amount of time)..i took it through some mud..relined it a few times..raced it a bit..i was doin burnouts constantly..and never had not ONE problem with it..well..had to replace the ujoints in the front driveshaft..and the double cardan joint too..but thats regular maintenance..never burned a drop of oil..was very quiet..(like..abnormal noises..cummins diesels are LOUD)..my dad made a few 1000 mile trips in it..it was a great truck...parts are HIGH DOLLAR...but dont go around saying DODGE SUCKS..cuz it dont..maybe a few models do...but the diesel 4x4 we had was 100000 times better than this old toyota..in every way..had more power..got close to the same gas mileage..never had any parts to fix..was roomier..in LOADS better shape..lol..of course i do LOVE MY TOYOTA TO DEATH!!!! __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

12-09-2008, 03:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
Bigblock Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Taylorshole,Mississippi Posts: 913	A Nissan is a Dodge from Japan.The worst thing about a Nissan is the brakes,starter,front end sucks,clutches,4wd dont work,and they are UGLY! Bigblock

12-09-2008, 05:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
highonpottery Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Citrus Hts., CA Posts: 255	those nissan pickups body style definitely went to crap when they got rid of the 720 body style with the exterior bedrail/hooks (which I wish my toyota came with stock - you lucky pre 84 and hilux guys). but seriously, like space-junk said, we are TOYOTA guys and you should be convincing your buddy to instead just get himself a badass LT kit and an e-locker if he doesn't already have it. OR...if it were me and if i had the space, i'd keep the prerunner as a DD and go buy a $1k yota that runs and drives as a project. __________________ 1993 X-Cab - 4wd - 5spd - 22re - 200k miles (no rebuilds...yet) \| 31" Michelins \| factory 4.88s \| LockRight (R) \| diff breathers \| RockTech IFS Truss \| OME leafs, shocks and steering dampener \| SDORI BJ spacers \| removed swaybar \| Cobra 76xtr CB \| nerf bars \| "RastaJack" antenna ball \| next: timing chain, 33s and armor 2002 UZJ100 Land Cruiser - in progress 2001 Corolla S - cold/rainy DD 2001 SV650 naked - nice weather DD

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