Tires & Gears

Trustyrusty · 05-12-2008, 07:40 AM

I decided I want to get either 31" or 33" tires, I thought about getting 33's, but didn't want to regear, well proper gearing for 31's is 4.56 so It'd still be slow and I'd still want regearing, I will be locking the rear, or getting a LSD and a 2" lift, So I figured I misewell get 33's if I will be regearing anyways... Any opinions? Hows 31's with stock gears? With 28" tires I can bark the tires in 3rd gear on a good day.. I'd like to keep that, or atleast bark 2nd.. hehe..

camo31"10.50" · 05-12-2008, 07:51 AM

ok..well when i had my 31x10.50's on our '86 carb'd 22R..it would bark the tires in 3rd gear...and i could do a mean burnout in 1st and sometimes 2nd if the conditions are right...im thinking about entering a burnout contest with it...but the highway speed and the power..was not good at all..top speed was 60mph MAYBE and thats 5th gear and floored on a straightaway...and its a rebuilt motor...with the factory tires it'll do 90 easy...if you go to 33's then get 4.88's...when i get my '80 some new rubber im getting 5.29's because i will be going to about a 37" or bigger sometime in the future...and lockers front and rear...it doesnt affect so much that it isnt driveable...but 4.56's would be great to have...but if you get bigger tires...sooner or later you're gonna want some bigger tires so i'd go with 4.88's...just my couple pennies

Flash319 · 05-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Bark the tires with a 22RE??????? Come on now..... I run 31's with stock 4:10s and like it. The manual trans are geared lower so you can get away with it. If you have an auto forget it.

Djlarroc · 05-12-2008, 09:37 AM

I researched the hell out of this when I came accross it.

I wanted a selectable locker as well. I looked far and wide for a 4.56 e-locker. I don't believe they even make them. The 4.30 is a plentiful e-locker and you can find a 4.30 front out of a 22RE auto. So that's what I did. I don't plan to go bigger than 32's. I have yet to install them, but it should work well and be a helluva lot cheaper than regearing to something else. Plus if you ever like to drive on the stock tires (like I do in the winter), it's a very good trade-off.

Oh....yeah, when I pull the top off my truck, I can chirp the stock tires as well.

tc · 05-12-2008, 10:29 AM

I had 4.56 and 31's and it was a pretty good combo, but first was kinda short - by the time you got moving it seemed you were tached out. 4.56 and 33's was OK, first had "legs", but 5th was a bit tall, had to downshift frequently. 4.88 and 33's is the best combo of the three - first is usable, and 5th will hold on mild rollers.

One thing I learned is, if in doubt, select the lower gears. The extra 200 RPM or so on the highway makes a big difference in gas mileage by not having to downshift all the time!

Matt16 · 05-12-2008, 04:31 PM

My 22RE won't bark tires. Period. It just bogs down when you drop the clutch.

stormin94 · 05-12-2008, 04:55 PM

I can get a half ass burn out in my V6 5 Speed with 4.30's....in first gear only.

93rustedyota · 05-12-2008, 05:47 PM

im running some beat 31's with a 22re and can roast um up pretty good

devldogs55 · 05-12-2008, 05:48 PM

I've got 31x10.50 right now and 4.56 gears. I'm planning on going to 33's here soon and I won't be able to regear for about a month or two. 31's and 4.56 works very well. My lower gears are fine and I can do 85 - 90 miles per hour easily.

texcat101 · 05-12-2008, 05:55 PM

[quote=tc
One thing I learned is, if in doubt, select the lower gears. The extra 200 RPM or so on the highway makes a big difference in gas mileage by not having to downshift all the time![/QUOTE]

Even more true with the auto I am running 31's with 5.29's and it's not too low.

bigt · 05-12-2008, 05:59 PM

i run 31s on my dd and 32s on my trail rig both with 4.10s manual and for some reason my speedos are dead on.. with a gps and everything.. and i can cruise the highway fine!
I LOVE MY 22RE'S!!!!

4Mogger · 05-12-2008, 06:12 PM

I recommend 7.56's and 40's!

Just kidding.
I left my gearing completely stock and ran 32's for a decade. Wheeled all over the place. Had a blast and had to turn around or bypass a lot of hard stuff. Why?

I saved and planned because I only wanted to regear once, pay for a lift once, pay for lockers once...hopefully you get the idea. Think ahead and allow yourself to dream a little bit. Delayed gratification is something few people have the self-discipline to truly enjoy.

4Mogger · 05-12-2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texcat101

Even more true with the auto I am running 31's with 5.29's and it's not too low.

pay attention folks. Some wisdom being imparted here.
But to qualify this statement...it only applies to Toyotas that are geared low at the axles from the factory. 4.XX:1 for example. A new Tundra or Sequoia with the 5.7 is a different story.

Jeep, American Iron in general are not geared low at the axles. Neither are British 4X's. They are geared low (though just barely) at the transfer case.

Point is, don't go making these type of statements about the virtues of low gearing around people driving lesser rigs...they won't get it and you will look like a lunatic.

SwampThing · 05-12-2008, 07:00 PM

I had 4.88s and 33x12.50s on my 22re 89 5spd 4runner with the rear lincoln locked. I could break both meats loose in first if I dumped the clutch, and it was pretty snappy in all other gears. Would have to downshift from 5th only on a good sized hill, or if I had a really good head wind.

My 22r 84 5spd PU with 31x10.50s and 4.10s with open diffs is... Not so great. I can burn one tire real well in 1st, but it aint no where near as snappy as my 89 4R was. Constantly down shifting from 5th on the mildest of hills.

I'm just wondering how my 84 PU will do with its shiny new lincoln locked 5.29s and 35x12.50s

Almost done...

4Mogger · 05-12-2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwampThing

I had 4.88s and 33x12.50s on my 22re 89 5spd 4runner with the rear lincoln locked. I could break both meats loose in first if I dumped the clutch, and it was pretty snappy in all other gears. Would have to downshift from 5th only on a good sized hill, or if I had a really good head wind.

My 22r 84 5spd PU with 31x10.50s and 4.10s with open diffs is... Not so great. I can burn one tire real well in 1st, but it aint no where near as snappy as my 89 4R was. Constantly down shifting from 5th on the mildest of hills.

I'm just wondering how my 84 PU will do with its shiny new lincoln locked 5.29s and 35x12.50s

Almost done...

At 60 miles per hour, according to my math, your 84 was turning about 2213 rpm with the 31's. And that was not so great?

With your new 5.29's and 35's you will be at 2529 rpm.

That compares favorably with what you liked with your '89 4R's 4.88's since it would have been turning 2474 at 60 miles per hour.

I would have gone deeper with the gears but it should be a nice balance for power and economy with the 5.29's. Congrats on your new setup.

bigt · 05-12-2008, 07:12 PM

just put my 4.10 lincoln locked in my trail rig.... can wait to do the clutch and cv axle and get back out to test the traction!!!!!!!!!!!

SwampThing · 05-12-2008, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Mogger

At 60 miles per hour, according to my math, your 84 was turning about 2213 rpm with the 31's. And that was not so great?

With your new 5.29's and 35's you will be at 2529 rpm.

That compares favorably with what you liked with your '89 4R's 4.88's since it would have been turning 2474 at 60 miles per hour.

I would have gone deeper with the gears but it should be a nice balance for power and economy with the 5.29's. Congrats on your new setup.

Well another thing to take into account is the fact that my 89 4R was a fuel injected 22re while my 84 PU is a carbed 22r. Not sure of the actual numbers, but I'm sure that the 22re has just a tad more "huevos" than the 22r does.

But yeah, I'm excited. Just have to install the 3rds, get the powersteering pump to finish up the steering, and finish up the rear portion of the lift when my rear springs get to my front door tomorrow. Bout 85% done. Maybe have it rolling tomorrow or wednesday.

05-12-2008, 07:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trustyrusty Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 682	Tires & Gears I decided I want to get either 31" or 33" tires, I thought about getting 33's, but didn't want to regear, well proper gearing for 31's is 4.56 so It'd still be slow and I'd still want regearing, I will be locking the rear, or getting a LSD and a 2" lift, So I figured I misewell get 33's if I will be regearing anyways... Any opinions? Hows 31's with stock gears? With 28" tires I can bark the tires in 3rd gear on a good day.. I'd like to keep that, or atleast bark 2nd.. hehe.. __________________ 1995.5 Toyota Tacoma Standard Cab Deluxe 5 Speed 3.4 Liter V6 1986 Toyota Pickup Standard Cab Longbed Deluxe 5 Speed 2.4 Liter I4 Cardomain: http://cardomain.com/id/Tonkayota

05-12-2008, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 608	ok..well when i had my 31x10.50's on our '86 carb'd 22R..it would bark the tires in 3rd gear...and i could do a mean burnout in 1st and sometimes 2nd if the conditions are right...im thinking about entering a burnout contest with it...but the highway speed and the power..was not good at all..top speed was 60mph MAYBE and thats 5th gear and floored on a straightaway...and its a rebuilt motor...with the factory tires it'll do 90 easy...if you go to 33's then get 4.88's...when i get my '80 some new rubber im getting 5.29's because i will be going to about a 37" or bigger sometime in the future...and lockers front and rear...it doesnt affect so much that it isnt driveable...but 4.56's would be great to have...but if you get bigger tires...sooner or later you're gonna want some bigger tires so i'd go with 4.88's...just my couple pennies __________________ 1986 Toyota 4x4 extra cab pickup stock 22R 5spd with 35,000 miles on a complete rebuild pushin 200PSI in every cylinder...31x10.50 swamper TSL's (muddin shoes) Kelly Safari SUV (street shoes) 1980 Toyota 4x4 20R/L43 combo not in the best of shape...but gets me wherever the '86 wont.. :)...still not sure if i want to part with it just yet..(FOR SALE!)

05-12-2008, 08:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Flash319 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Barrie, Ontario CANADA Posts: 828	Bark the tires with a 22RE??????? Come on now..... I run 31's with stock 4:10s and like it. The manual trans are geared lower so you can get away with it. If you have an auto forget it. __________________ 89 Extra cab, 22RE not pretty but it gets me there. 420,000 km 95 VW Diesel Extra Cab Toyota, not done yet(edit: DONE!!!)..... http://www.yotatech.com/f116/vw-diesel-build-up-135203/ 92 Runner, Bone stock 415,000km WANTED: Rust free 89-95 extra cab any condition

05-12-2008, 09:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
Djlarroc Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,310	I researched the hell out of this when I came accross it. I wanted a selectable locker as well. I looked far and wide for a 4.56 e-locker. I don't believe they even make them. The 4.30 is a plentiful e-locker and you can find a 4.30 front out of a 22RE auto. So that's what I did. I don't plan to go bigger than 32's. I have yet to install them, but it should work well and be a helluva lot cheaper than regearing to something else. Plus if you ever like to drive on the stock tires (like I do in the winter), it's a very good trade-off. Oh....yeah, when I pull the top off my truck, I can chirp the stock tires as well. __________________ '89 4Runner: 22RE 5spd, 4:10s w/202K, 16x8 w/265-75 MT, Diamond headlights, Aisin hubs, Tortis' custom roll on paint job, Home made bikini, 1" Body Lift, 1.25" greasable lift shackles, TG Sliders, 1.5" BJ spacers, Rust is gone! - SOLD! '00 4Runner: Locked F/R

05-12-2008, 10:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 6,589	I had 4.56 and 31's and it was a pretty good combo, but first was kinda short - by the time you got moving it seemed you were tached out. 4.56 and 33's was OK, first had "legs", but 5th was a bit tall, had to downshift frequently. 4.88 and 33's is the best combo of the three - first is usable, and 5th will hold on mild rollers. One thing I learned is, if in doubt, select the lower gears. The extra 200 RPM or so on the highway makes a big difference in gas mileage by not having to downshift all the time! __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

05-12-2008, 04:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,186	I can get a half ass burn out in my V6 5 Speed with 4.30's....in first gear only. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 207,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 14/19 MPG city/hwy Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 31-10.50 A/T's, 1" t-bar lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter 33-12.50 M/T's roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

05-12-2008, 05:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
93rustedyota Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 135	im running some beat 31's with a 22re and can roast um up pretty good __________________ 1994 toyota pickup got it for free took it apart had no bed and got $700 for it so bye bye yota hello honda

05-12-2008, 05:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
devldogs55 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Idaho/Eastern WA Posts: 171	I've got 31x10.50 right now and 4.56 gears. I'm planning on going to 33's here soon and I won't be able to regear for about a month or two. 31's and 4.56 works very well. My lower gears are fine and I can do 85 - 90 miles per hour easily. __________________ 1990 Yota T4R SR5 3.0 V6 5 speed manual 170,000 miles OME shocks and 901 coils Warn Premium Hubs SDORI BJ Spacers 4.56 gears Rear TRD E-locker 31x10.5 BFGs Cherry Bomb Vortex + 2.25"

05-12-2008, 05:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
texcat101 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: west Texas Posts: 152	[quote=tc One thing I learned is, if in doubt, select the lower gears. The extra 200 RPM or so on the highway makes a big difference in gas mileage by not having to downshift all the time![/QUOTE] Even more true with the auto I am running 31's with 5.29's and it's not too low. __________________ 85 4runner, 22re, A340 auto, torquer cam, o.s. valves, pacesetter header w/ dynomax muffler, 2.25 exhaust, K&N Air Filter, 3" spring lift, Precision Gear 5.29's w/power brute posi frt & rear, Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ 33x12.5x15, Warn M8000 winch, Optima redtop, Marlin Crawler Front, Rear Bumpers and Sliders, Allpro crossover steering & U bolt flip, LC rotors '94 calipers. http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...408001-1-1.jpg

05-12-2008, 05:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 1,722	i run 31s on my dd and 32s on my trail rig both with 4.10s manual and for some reason my speedos are dead on.. with a gps and everything.. and i can cruise the highway fine! I LOVE MY 22RE'S!!!! __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X 2-lte turbo diesel with upgraded head tons of cool options you dont get in north America RIGHT HAND DRIVE,auto,push button 4wd,turbo timer,31.1-.50.15 bfgs,factory fender flares,window flares. 2 kick cvrs 12 inch rockford 600d sirius TUNED TO HOWARD 100 trail ifs rig 94 gold 4runner 22re no options 32.11.50.15 MUD KINGS aisin hubs,WELDED rear homemade snorkel cb radio blue 93 srf 4runner .. was running last week now a parts truck.. parked

05-12-2008, 06:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
4Mogger Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montrose, CO Posts: 637	I recommend 7.56's and 40's! Just kidding. I left my gearing completely stock and ran 32's for a decade. Wheeled all over the place. Had a blast and had to turn around or bypass a lot of hard stuff. Why? I saved and planned because I only wanted to regear once, pay for a lift once, pay for lockers once...hopefully you get the idea. Think ahead and allow yourself to dream a little bit. Delayed gratification is something few people have the self-discipline to truly enjoy.

05-12-2008, 07:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 1,722	just put my 4.10 lincoln locked in my trail rig.... can wait to do the clutch and cv axle and get back out to test the traction!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X 2-lte turbo diesel with upgraded head tons of cool options you dont get in north America RIGHT HAND DRIVE,auto,push button 4wd,turbo timer,31.1-.50.15 bfgs,factory fender flares,window flares. 2 kick cvrs 12 inch rockford 600d sirius TUNED TO HOWARD 100 trail ifs rig 94 gold 4runner 22re no options 32.11.50.15 MUD KINGS aisin hubs,WELDED rear homemade snorkel cb radio blue 93 srf 4runner .. was running last week now a parts truck.. parked

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