Timing Chain, 22RE

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 06:25 PM

I know I need to replace the chain since I have 160K, and for all I know its still stock. For no other reason than I will probally get a bit of performance back from an unstreached chain.

I have been trying to talk myself out of it since if I pay to have it done its 1600 or so, and if I do it myself there goes my weekend, and I already have a clutch, and exhaust to install in may before I go on my annual Manashtash wheeling trip.

Here is my question, what is the reccommended replacment interval by Toyota, anyone know?

Also what chain to use? I used the LC single chain last time I did one, on my 95. But this engine is closer to dead than new and dont really think I need to spend that much $$ on it, but I could be wrong. I have 160K and blow oil on startup, about half the time, which I know could mean nothing but.... I also have a chatter/rattle at idle that developed last summer. I thinks its the throwout bearing, but it very well could be the timing chain talking thru the crankshaft.

What is reccommended?

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bustah49 · 04-11-2006, 07:01 PM

http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotLicks.htm

would highly recommend em. just bought an entire rebuild kit off of them.

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 07:17 PM

Do you know who makes that kit?

There has to be a reason, other than discount, that its 1/3 the cost of a LC kit.

I dont think I need the best, but at least OEM quality is a must.

PirateFins · 04-11-2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustah49

http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotLicks.htm

would highly recommend em. just bought an entire rebuild kit off of them.

don't ask just do. You will thank us later.

PS look on ebay for one of his specials, I got mine for $20 less than the web price from ebay.

Elton · 04-11-2006, 08:03 PM

ya cant go with engnbldr im getting there timeing chain kit..but im going with doa for the guides

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elton

ya cant go with engnbldr im getting there timeing chain kit..but im going with doa for the guides

Is that so you get two steel guides?

Glenn · 04-11-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4nala

Is that so you get two steel guides?

Yeah, that is right. Engnbldr doesn't think you need steel guides for both sides. He says he has never seen one of the sides fail, can't recall which one.

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Yeah, that is right. Engnbldr doesn't think you need steel guides for both sides. He says he has never seen one of the sides fail, can't recall which one.

I just got an email from him. He says there isnt one needed on the pass side since there is no water jacket to protect there.

Its amaizing the price spread of kits.

OEM full kit is a bit over 100
engnblder is 64
DOA is 275
LC is 170

Hard to decide what to do, I guess in any of them you can get a bad chain..

I doubt I am looking at going another 160K on a chain, so I wouldnt think I need a $$ one, but even OEM ones have failed at 80K. I'll most likly do the LC again...I know its a good kit.

Elton · 04-11-2006, 08:58 PM

hmm maybe i wont get the steel rails i thought it would be better than the plastic ones cuz you have to do all that work just to change the timeing chain and if one of the guides broke later on you would have to take it all apart agian

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 09:05 PM

The steel guides are far better from what I have heard. Its such an ordeal to do a timing chain that I dont think I am going to mess around, i will probally get the LC kit, it as steel guides also.

Luckily I was planning to change coolant in May also.

Elton · 04-11-2006, 09:15 PM

umm wouldint be cheaper to order a engnbldr timeing chain kit with out guides and just order the steel guides from lce or doa ??

JML · 04-11-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4nala

Here is my question, what is the reccommended replacment interval by Toyota, anyone know?

I'd like to know that too. I have 199K on the same setup with much more stock setup. The previous owner said there was a bunch of stuff done at 160K including head gasket and such. But he didn't know about the chain (the truck was given to him when owner went to war).

As far as I can tell, it doesn't rattle or anything. Am I on borrowed time? Is it normal to have lasted this long if it's original or would it have been replaced?

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JML

I'd like to know that too. I have 199K on the same setup with much more stock setup. The previous owner said there was a bunch of stuff done at 160K including head gasket and such. But he didn't know about the chain (the truck was given to him when owner went to war).

As far as I can tell, it doesn't rattle or anything. Am I on borrowed time? Is it normal to have lasted this long if it's original or would it have been replaced?

I called toyota and they said there is no scheduled replacment, just as needed. I just dont was as needed to be on the trail. He said usually it starts slapping before something breaks.

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elton

umm wouldint be cheaper to order a engnbldr timeing chain kit with out guides and just order the steel guides from lce or doa ??

Yes, but I beleive that LCE and DOA use a higer quality chain and sprocket. Just what you want to buy.

Elton · 04-11-2006, 09:37 PM

it is very bad to have timeing chain break if it dont slap or rattle when its cold then its fine

JML · 04-11-2006, 09:44 PM

so it wouldn't be surprising that mine has lasted 200,000 miles?

I'm entertaining the idea of trying to replace it myself. I've never done anything that fun yet, though. What should I expect to pay if I chicken out?

I know there's a lot of wrenchers around me in CO and I'm not opposed to paying a buddy to do it if I can watch/help. any takers?

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 09:45 PM

$1600 if you pay a dealership...

My first real engine work was a timing chain on my 95.....wasnt that bad...

Elton · 04-11-2006, 09:55 PM

wow $1600 ahh gotta love the dealership im putting in a new timeing chain kit in it should be pretty easy as i have my motor out of the truck

AH64ID · 04-11-2006, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elton

wow $1600 ahh gotta love the dealership im putting in a new timeing chain kit in it should be pretty easy as i have my motor out of the truck

yeah thats one way to do it. There isnt anything difficult about it, just a lot of work. 1400 of the 1600 is labor, since the head has to come off.

I am going to wait to buy any parts until I get my new clutch in since the block/head shop mechanic said my noise was my throw-out bearing. And since he drives a 22RE as well, I am going to assume he knows what a bad timing chain sounds like. I also have an e-mail into my father-in-law to see if they ever had it done, they owned it from 80-150K, my fingers are crossed.

I know they put about 3 clutches in it during that time, cheap clutch and 4hi wheeling = no clutch life. Never figured out why my bro-in-law never would use 4lo...personally i only use 4hi on snow coverd hardball, other wise its all about gearing.

kyle_22r · 04-11-2006, 11:47 PM

these things will break the guides and rattle against the cover for a LONG time before you'll run into major trouble.

most of the time the chain busts the driver's side guide, the passenger one is usually left intact. i don't have any worries about EB's kit, i think it's gonna outlive the rest of my engine since it's already got nearly 200k on it.

AH64ID · 04-12-2006, 09:04 AM

Good to hear, I am just away from my truck and have nothing better to do than worry about what repairs to do to it....

I have a valve job due when I get home so I'll give the timing chain and guides an inspection....I am still banking on my noise being my throw-out bearing....

BLKNBLU · 04-12-2006, 11:20 AM

A few points of reference:

My chain went at approximately 125k

Got it all replaced and a valve job for $900 at a trusted non dealership mechanic but that pricing is 10 years old

Got the same story about not worrying about it til "you hear some slapping, especially under load" But that was the tricky part. Mine made noise for about 3 days before it went, but it sounded like a tap or snap like a spark plug wire that was disconnected, not like a slapping sound. Sooo... I didn't pick up on it til too late.

4x4nala, I have purchased a head gasket and bolt kit from engbldr and it was top notch. If you're going to be in deep enough for a valve job, I would spend the $64 and do the chain as well just for the peace of mind.

AH64ID · 04-12-2006, 01:57 PM

All I am doing is adjusting my valves, no need for any replacment....

BLKNBLU · 04-12-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4nala

All I am doing is adjusting my valves, no need for any replacment....

Oh okay. I misunderstood.

AH64ID · 04-12-2006, 02:09 PM

Firgured...no worries....if I was going that deep I would for sure be doing the chain...only an extra hour at most...

04-11-2006, 07:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Do you know who makes that kit? There has to be a reason, other than discount, that its 1/3 the cost of a LC kit. I dont think I need the best, but at least OEM quality is a must. __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-11-2006, 08:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	ya cant go with engnbldr im getting there timeing chain kit..but im going with doa for the guides __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

04-11-2006, 08:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	hmm maybe i wont get the steel rails i thought it would be better than the plastic ones cuz you have to do all that work just to change the timeing chain and if one of the guides broke later on you would have to take it all apart agian __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck Last edited by Elton; 04-11-2006 at 08:59 PM.

04-11-2006, 09:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	The steel guides are far better from what I have heard. Its such an ordeal to do a timing chain that I dont think I am going to mess around, i will probally get the LC kit, it as steel guides also. Luckily I was planning to change coolant in May also. __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-11-2006, 09:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	umm wouldint be cheaper to order a engnbldr timeing chain kit with out guides and just order the steel guides from lce or doa ?? __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

04-11-2006, 07:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
bustah49 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28	http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotLicks.htm would highly recommend em. just bought an entire rebuild kit off of them.

04-11-2006, 09:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	it is very bad to have timeing chain break if it dont slap or rattle when its cold then its fine __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

04-11-2006, 09:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
JML Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boulder CO Posts: 50	so it wouldn't be surprising that mine has lasted 200,000 miles? I'm entertaining the idea of trying to replace it myself. I've never done anything that fun yet, though. What should I expect to pay if I chicken out? I know there's a lot of wrenchers around me in CO and I'm not opposed to paying a buddy to do it if I can watch/help. any takers? __________________ Black '92 Pickup 22re - The mountain climber

04-11-2006, 09:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	$1600 if you pay a dealership... My first real engine work was a timing chain on my 95.....wasnt that bad... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-11-2006, 09:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	wow $1600 ahh gotta love the dealership im putting in a new timeing chain kit in it should be pretty easy as i have my motor out of the truck __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

04-11-2006, 11:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	these things will break the guides and rattle against the cover for a LONG time before you'll run into major trouble. most of the time the chain busts the driver's side guide, the passenger one is usually left intact. i don't have any worries about EB's kit, i think it's gonna outlive the rest of my engine since it's already got nearly 200k on it. __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

04-12-2006, 09:04 AM	#21 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Good to hear, I am just away from my truck and have nothing better to do than worry about what repairs to do to it.... I have a valve job due when I get home so I'll give the timing chain and guides an inspection....I am still banking on my noise being my throw-out bearing.... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-12-2006, 11:20 AM	#22 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,666	A few points of reference: My chain went at approximately 125k Got it all replaced and a valve job for $900 at a trusted non dealership mechanic but that pricing is 10 years old Got the same story about not worrying about it til "you hear some slapping, especially under load" But that was the tricky part. Mine made noise for about 3 days before it went, but it sounded like a tap or snap like a spark plug wire that was disconnected, not like a slapping sound. Sooo... I didn't pick up on it til too late. 4x4nala, I have purchased a head gasket and bolt kit from engbldr and it was top notch. If you're going to be in deep enough for a valve job, I would spend the $64 and do the chain as well just for the peace of mind. __________________ 86 4Runner, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, rear Lockright, SAS w/ARB My build thread. http://www.yotatech.com/f66/blknblu-s-sac-155872/

04-12-2006, 01:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	All I am doing is adjusting my valves, no need for any replacment.... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-12-2006, 02:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Firgured...no worries....if I was going that deep I would for sure be doing the chain...only an extra hour at most... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

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