SR5 Cluster question (manual cluster fitting in an auto rig)

eightnine · 01-12-2008, 08:35 PM

I know this has been talked about a lot and i have searched but I couldnt find anything specificly to a manual tranny cluster fitting in an auto tranny rig. I bought a cluster from an 89 4runner w/ 22re 5spd for cheap hoping it will fit into my 89 4runner w/ 22re automatic. Does anyone know if it will be a direct fit (minus the ECT button no longer working on the cluster)Thanks

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eightnine · 01-12-2008, 09:02 PM

buuuump

yota4runna · 01-12-2008, 09:28 PM

Are you referring to the instrument cluster?

eightnine · 01-12-2008, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yota4runna

Are you referring to the instrument cluster?

yes the SR5 cluster with the tachometer

yota4runna · 01-12-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightnine

yes the SR5 cluster with the tachometer

Well, I wasn't sure, since there's no ECT button on the instrument cluster. For upgrading from a standard to an SR-5 cluster it's "plug and play" except for these things: The standard cluster has an oil pressure warning light, activated by an oil pressure SWITCH, and the SR-5 has a gauge, controlled by an oil pressure SENDER. You MUST install a SENDER for your SR-5 cluster, or you'll ruin your gauge. Also, if your rig is a 4 cylinder, the donor rig must be a 4 cylinder, too, for the tach to work correctly.
Since Toyota is so good about interchangeability, this cluster is designed to fit different vehicles with different options. If you remove all the warning lights that run vertically along both sides and shine a light from the back, you'll see all the possibilities. The second from the bottom on the left is "AT Oil Temp" which won't have a bulb in it if it came from a manual trans rig. I suspect if you put a bulb in it that it'll work. I was impressed to see the "Low Fuel" warning light work when I did this upgrade on my '86.

eightnine · 01-13-2008, 07:21 AM

So are you saying that the clusters are all exactly the same where auto or manual except for the manual not having some bulbs that the auto would have?

eightnine · 01-13-2008, 07:28 AM

I just took all the lights out of the back of the cluster and found that the cluster did have an AT Temp light on it like you stated. It also has the T-Belt on it but it had no light on it so im guessing this is because the 4 cyl didnt have a Tbelt? So basically if there is no light in the hole then the truck didnt have have that option or whatever on it. Anyone know where i can get these bulbs at?

yota4runna · 01-13-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightnine

I just took all the lights out of the back of the cluster and found that the cluster did have an AT Temp light on it like you stated. It also has the T-Belt on it but it had no light on it so im guessing this is because the 4 cyl didnt have a Tbelt? So basically if there is no light in the hole then the truck didnt have have that option or whatever on it. Anyone know where i can get these bulbs at?

Just take the extra bulb and socket out of your old cluster!

eightnine · 01-13-2008, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yota4runna

Just take the extra bulb and socket out of your old cluster!

so the bulbs are the same then, ok cool thanks

yota4runna · 01-13-2008, 09:39 AM

Don't forget to change out your oil pressure switch for a sender. You're welcome.

turtle jim · 01-13-2008, 12:47 PM

On my cluster swap on my '85, I put an EFI, manual trans cluster, in my '85 EFI auto. As yota4runna says, ya gotta replace the oil pressure switch with the oil pressure sender.
You'll lose the ECT indicator light, which ya don't need anyway. Most important for me was the need to compare the wiring harness plug from the manual donor truck, with my auto wiring harness. I had to rearrange some wires in my auto harness plug to make em match the same wires in the manual harness plug. Ya need a sharp pointed tool to release the catch holding the wire in place. After that, it was plug and play, and everything worked right.

eightnine · 01-17-2008, 04:17 PM

i just called up the dealership and they want $120 for the sender!!! daaamn i thought it was gona be around 30$

Trustyrusty · 01-17-2008, 04:51 PM

Get in the zone, Auto-Zone...

Jay351 · 01-17-2008, 06:25 PM

Canada = no autozone

Just go to your local parts store

eightnine · 01-18-2008, 12:47 PM

damn this swap is turning out ot be a damn headache. I got the oil pressure sender from parts source and they gave me the wrong one, its to small

... so i unplugged it anyway to test out the SR5 cluster. After finally ripping out the old cluster with the damn anoyying speedocable i attached everything back and its not working properly. The Fuel Guage reads at FULL even tho there is barely any gas in it, the speedo doesnt work and the tachometer doesnt work either. Some lights on the left side dont work either.. Anyone know what it could be?

BTW cluster is out of a 89 4runner special edition 22RE 5spd
and i have a 89 4runner special edition 22re auto

eightnine · 01-18-2008, 04:52 PM

Buump

eightnine · 01-18-2008, 05:12 PM

update: everything works now except the tachometer (i guess its not wired) and the fuel guage is still reading full when its not

just a 22re · 01-18-2008, 08:37 PM

hit the cluster they may be stuck my tach in my neon did that all the time when i reved passed 9.2k it sucked but i got a 5in monster tach siting right next to my cluster that works the best and you get a shift light when your bogin or mudding so you dont over rev your rig!!!

89RUNNERFFD · 01-29-2008, 12:14 PM

I just installed an 88 SR5 Cluster from a Auto 4 cyl in my 89 6cyl Auto. It works great. I was woried there would be problems.

muddpigg · 01-29-2008, 12:21 PM

Watch out for Niehoff (sp?) the parts number referance was wrong at Schuck's or manucactor. Look like the correct sender but fried the gauge all the same

They gave me a correct sender and my money back. Now need another sr5 cluster. oh well.

Windsor · 01-04-2009, 07:39 PM

bumping an old thread...

I just did this with my '87. I haven't changed the oil sender yet, but it cost me $40-ish from Pep Boys.

One question I have, though, is what is the friggin' part number for the smaller bulbs in the back? The old (non-tach) instrument cluster only had one size of bulbs -- the bigger ones. The new one has two sizes and I managed to come up one or two short of the smaller ones.

None of the non-dealer shops had the bulb listed. The dealer quoted me $2/ea and said they didn't have them in stock (and didn't volunteer the p/n, of course).

yota4runna · 01-05-2009, 09:31 AM

The tiny bulb in the instrument cluster is a #74. Should be available at your local parts store.

Windsor · 01-05-2009, 11:05 AM

Yeah, I need to get the carrier also.

4runnerx3 · 01-05-2009, 03:55 PM

Speed sensor no. 1 is in the instrument cluster which the ECT control unit reads. Only auto cluster has it.

01-12-2008, 09:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	buuuump __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-13-2008, 07:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	So are you saying that the clusters are all exactly the same where auto or manual except for the manual not having some bulbs that the auto would have? __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-13-2008, 07:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	I just took all the lights out of the back of the cluster and found that the cluster did have an AT Temp light on it like you stated. It also has the T-Belt on it but it had no light on it so im guessing this is because the 4 cyl didnt have a Tbelt? So basically if there is no light in the hole then the truck didnt have have that option or whatever on it. Anyone know where i can get these bulbs at? __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-13-2008, 12:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
turtle jim Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: eastern sierra,keeler,ca Posts: 22	On my cluster swap on my '85, I put an EFI, manual trans cluster, in my '85 EFI auto. As yota4runna says, ya gotta replace the oil pressure switch with the oil pressure sender. You'll lose the ECT indicator light, which ya don't need anyway. Most important for me was the need to compare the wiring harness plug from the manual donor truck, with my auto wiring harness. I had to rearrange some wires in my auto harness plug to make em match the same wires in the manual harness plug. Ya need a sharp pointed tool to release the catch holding the wire in place. After that, it was plug and play, and everything worked right. __________________ turtle_jim@hotmail.com

01-17-2008, 04:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	i just called up the dealership and they want $120 for the sender!!! daaamn i thought it was gona be around 30$ __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-12-2008, 09:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
yota4runna Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern Ore. Posts: 327	Are you referring to the instrument cluster?

01-13-2008, 09:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
yota4runna Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern Ore. Posts: 327	Don't forget to change out your oil pressure switch for a sender. You're welcome.

01-17-2008, 04:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Trustyrusty Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: (Rednecks Inbreed In) Kansas Posts: 1,349	Get in the zone, Auto-Zone... __________________ 1995.5 Tacoma 4X4 3.4-Jardine Catback, 20% Tint, Cold Air Intake, Skid Plates etc... 1987 Toyota 4Runner 1986 Toyota 4X4-SOLD

01-17-2008, 06:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
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01-18-2008, 12:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	damn this swap is turning out ot be a damn headache. I got the oil pressure sender from parts source and they gave me the wrong one, its to small ... so i unplugged it anyway to test out the SR5 cluster. After finally ripping out the old cluster with the damn anoyying speedocable i attached everything back and its not working properly. The Fuel Guage reads at FULL even tho there is barely any gas in it, the speedo doesnt work and the tachometer doesnt work either. Some lights on the left side dont work either.. Anyone know what it could be? BTW cluster is out of a 89 4runner special edition 22RE 5spd and i have a 89 4runner special edition 22re auto __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-18-2008, 04:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	Buump __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-18-2008, 05:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
eightnine Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 934	update: everything works now except the tachometer (i guess its not wired) and the fuel guage is still reading full when its not __________________ 1989 Toyota 4runner Special Edition - Rebuilt 22re bored .20 over 4.30 gears, - Magnaflow Performance Exhaust with Magnaflow Hi Flow Catalytic Converter, Monroe Sensa-Tracs Shocks all around, 4runner AALs, Custom Checkerplate front skid plate, Kayline Soft Top , Clear Corners and Turn Signals, Eagle Alloy Rims with 31x10.5x15 M/T tires, 2 12" JBL Subwoofers / MTX AMP, Pioneer Premiere Speakers, JVC KD-G730 MP3/CD/Bluetooth

01-29-2008, 12:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
89RUNNERFFD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Franklin Posts: 28	I just installed an 88 SR5 Cluster from a Auto 4 cyl in my 89 6cyl Auto. It works great. I was woried there would be problems.

01-29-2008, 12:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,389	Watch out for Niehoff (sp?) the parts number referance was wrong at Schuck's or manucactor. Look like the correct sender but fried the gauge all the same They gave me a correct sender and my money back. Now need another sr5 cluster. oh well.

01-04-2009, 07:39 PM	#21 (permalink)
Windsor Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DFW, Texas! Posts: 794	bumping an old thread... I just did this with my '87. I haven't changed the oil sender yet, but it cost me $40-ish from Pep Boys. One question I have, though, is what is the friggin' part number for the smaller bulbs in the back? The old (non-tach) instrument cluster only had one size of bulbs -- the bigger ones. The new one has two sizes and I managed to come up one or two short of the smaller ones. None of the non-dealer shops had the bulb listed. The dealer quoted me $2/ea and said they didn't have them in stock (and didn't volunteer the p/n, of course). __________________ '87 T4R Deluxe, mall crawler every non-SR5 option installed (sans AT), as well as: * Cruise Control (dealer installed) * Michelin LTX A/T2 31s on 1st-gen alloy rims * SmittyBilt granny step bar * SR5 Instrument Cluster

01-05-2009, 09:31 AM	#22 (permalink)
yota4runna Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Southern Ore. Posts: 327	The tiny bulb in the instrument cluster is a #74. Should be available at your local parts store.

01-05-2009, 11:05 AM	#23 (permalink)
Windsor Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DFW, Texas! Posts: 794	Yeah, I need to get the carrier also. __________________ '87 T4R Deluxe, mall crawler every non-SR5 option installed (sans AT), as well as: * Cruise Control (dealer installed) * Michelin LTX A/T2 31s on 1st-gen alloy rims * SmittyBilt granny step bar * SR5 Instrument Cluster

01-05-2009, 03:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
4runnerx3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 834	Speed sensor no. 1 is in the instrument cluster which the ECT control unit reads. Only auto cluster has it.

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