*SNAP* Rear Axle sheared off at 45mph and tire went for a ride! - Page 3

Brenjen · 04-16-2007, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drew303

The axles DO have a C-clip.

edit.

The clip is at the end of the axle, not in the differential. You press the bearing on the axle far enough down to where a C-clip slids on into a groove that prevents the bearing from "un-pressing" itself. The only thing holding that axle onto the truck is the bearing on the axle and the bearing inside the bearing case which is held to the axle by 4 bolts. The clip keeps the axle from moving perpendicular to the bearing.

I'm used to GM & Chrysler rear ends, I've never had a Toyota apart. I read the page Mudhippy linked to in this thread & it was informative but sadly not Toyota specific (I'm slow, sue me) the C-clip I'm talking about is obviously not the same retainer you're talking about. A pressed on bearing that has the kind of C-clip I'm referring to would be useless as tits on a boar, it would need something spring loaded for tension...like an internal circlip or snap ring. Maybe I just can't picture how Toyota has their rears designed because I can't see how the C-clip I'm talking about would be of any use at all in conjunction with a pressed on bearing. I have a serious urge to go to the junkyard & tear one apart now.

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gonzo · 04-16-2007, 02:07 PM

Here is the pic your looking I think.

SteveO · 04-16-2007, 02:14 PM

Hmmm, I don't know if that is the case for the 3rd gen 4Runners and Tacos. I'll have to check my manuals tonight when I get home for this type of clip.

gonzo · 04-16-2007, 02:26 PM

I thought this was a 93 4runner that happened to and this was started about.
3rd gen. prolly is different don't know.

RunnerUp · 04-16-2007, 02:40 PM

this is on my 3rd gen when i had to replace my bearing, now im scared and want to take my truck to toyota to have them double check everything!!!

RunnerUp · 04-16-2007, 02:40 PM

sorry they arent the best pics of what you wanted, but its as close as i could get!

full thread here

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=110243

tc · 04-16-2007, 03:05 PM

Yes, it's a '93, but I think the rear axle is the same. I didn't really look at mine close when I pulled them to do the ARB's, so I'm not sure, but wouldn't there have to be a groove or something in the axle shaft for it to hold to?

WTF is that gear thing in the pix above? ABS resolver?

To make a long post a little longer - I don't trust a press fit like I do a solid mechanical connection like a FF axle has.

RunnerUp · 04-16-2007, 04:00 PM

there is a C clip that holds it together, and the bearing and restraining rings are are all pressed until they wont go any farther.

the gear thing is an abs exciter ring that they have to cut off (along with both reatainer rings 92$) in order to press the bearing on. the guy i took it to here in gainesville was referred by gatorland toyota, so hopefully he knew what he was doing!

to be honest with you, this was the first time i did this (bearings were replaced at 80k and i currently have 117k) and after seeing how it was set up, i dont know how much i trust it. dont even get me started on 4 tiny bolts holding my axle shaft to the axle housing thing... though i guess it has been fine for everybody else, so maybe i shouldnt worry abt it.

on a side note, both front axle seals are leaking so i need to find some info on how to replace those and get to that...

i love the smell of 75W/90

Brenjen · 04-16-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo

Here is the pic your looking I think.

If that is what you folks are referring to; that's not the C-clip that is being talked about (by me at least). That is a spring steel circlip or snap ring if you prefer. The C-clips I & others are talking about are not spring steel & do not require snap ring pliers to remove. I'm sure that's where the confusion is coming from, the Toyota has snap ring retainers, not C-clips. The C-clips we are referring to are named that because they look like a "C" it's not short for circlip.

Edit: thanks for the picture Gonzo!

RunnerUp · 04-16-2007, 05:23 PM

brenjen your right, it is called a snap ring by toyota and most other people. guess i just followed the pack on that one...

CLEANSR5 · 04-16-2007, 05:28 PM

jeez, sorry to hear, glad you are ok though.

**Lysmachia** · 04-16-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brenjen

Sorry about your luck by the way, glad no one was injured. Also; it might not be the previous owners fault, sometimes things just break.

I don't think it was the previous owners fault. He is a Toyota Tech and knows his stuff... I think I just wheeled the crap out of tippy and it finally gave.

I won;t know what really happened till Thursday when All Phase and I tear into the axle and 3rd member to see what's going on. I will definitely let you all know and document with pictures too...

Thanks everyone for your input!

gonzo · 04-16-2007, 08:06 PM

How about a pic of the axle at the wheel end, where the bearing would be.

drew303 · 04-16-2007, 08:13 PM

sorry for referring to it as a C-clip =/ i guess we were all the on the same page except for those that are familiar with different axles =p

Im happy you're all ok to, that would be scary!

Maybe im confused, whats a 3rd gen 4runner? Isnt a 93 called a 2nd gen? When did they put ABS on toyotas?

tc · 04-16-2007, 08:49 PM

Second gens have rear ABS, but the sensor is in the diff.

**DeathCougar** · 04-16-2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Second gens have rear ABS, but the sensor is in the diff.

Not always true.

Some 2nd gens have 4 wheel ABS, where there are sensors at each wheel. PRetty sure this didn't start until 92 though. Either way, not ALL 2nd gens are 2 Wheel ABS with the sensor in the diff.

tc · 04-16-2007, 08:55 PM

News to me - I thought the 2wheel ABS was even optional, the 4 wheel must be super optional

**DeathCougar** · 04-16-2007, 09:08 PM

2 wheel ABS was technically optional, but its sorta like power windows on most 2nd, and 3rd gen 4Runners.....almost all of them had it. 4wheel ABS was usually for the "Limited" style 94 and 95 4Runners.

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

Are you talking about a domestic axle, such as a D44 axle? I know those type of setups use a C-clip on the inside of the axle. I was not aware of Toyota's using a C-clip on the inside of the axle. With Toyota having a 3rd member that drops out, how would you get the C-clip onto the inside of the axle?

Domestic innards of the diff:
*snip*

Another image of the inner axle shaft on a domestic or C-clip type axle shaft:
*snip*

Again, with the drop out 3rd, I don't see how you can place a C-clip on the inside of the axle, when the 3rd member is put in.

Unless, you have some special way.....

edit: There is an article that talks about the Toyota's having Pressed in bearings that hold it all together. The C-clip eliminator, uses pressed in bearings. Toyota, as far as I know, uses pressed in bearings to hold it all together. When the bearing fails, you loose the wheel.

*snip*

With the tremendous side loads being placed on our rigs when wheeling, these bearings are prone to loosen up. When my wife was driving my rig home, I was following her and noted that the driver rear wheel was wobbling a bit. I pulled the shaft and drum, and noted that the bearing had some play in it. I decided right there, it was full-floater time. I have the FROR Full floater kit, and it is awesome! I don't worry about pressed in bearings failing anymore due to a heavy vehicle side loading the bearings. Plus, now my bearings are servicable when I want to service them.

I am talking about thr OEM axle.
They use a clip too, but it is served differently and works in a slightly different manner.

this is the clip im talking about

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pest

Holy crap, that just seems like something you'd see on some comedy skit, with the wheel flying past the vehicle.

Just while we're on the same topic, is it possible for the front wheels to pop out like that? Or is that just a rear thing with the pressed in bearings?

sure it is. if you dont tighten your wheel bearing nuts, and use the lock washer.

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

Just my opinion, but I think at this point, giving your tendancies to push the limits of Tippy, you would be better off going to a Full Floater. Brian at FROR can hook you up with the parts you need to make Tippy into a stronger rig. You may be able to using the existing axle tube, and slap Brian's Full Floater kit on. In the long run, you will definitly be ahead of the game.

its not a matter of tippy is a POS, and need to be upgraded, its a matter of a technician not installing a part correctly.

no need to go to floaters.

**waskillywabbit** · 04-16-2007, 09:34 PM

If you are going to wheel...full floater gets you home...semi floater leaves you stranded and/or needing to carry spare rear axles shafts...and you don't have to worry about your rear tires passing your on the trails (or road).

For the price...can't be beat...full floater rocks.

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

Does anybody have a pic of this "C-clip" at the end of the axle? I'm curious to see it.

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:38 PM

[quote=tc;50502507]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysmachia

You can see the splines are stripped.

Here's the end of the axle ... I don't see a groove in it!

thats cause it aint like a dana axle.

its Japanese

80W90 · 04-16-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

Hmmm, I don't know if that is the case for the 3rd gen 4Runners and Tacos. I'll have to check my manuals tonight when I get home for this type of clip.

same.

04-16-2007, 02:07 PM	#52 (permalink)
gonzo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 264	Here is the pic your looking I think. __________________ 88 Toyota pu 4x4 22re 5spd. 4:88's, 2-1/2" exhaust from cat back, 3" BL. 33x12.5 thornbirds for play, 35 conti-trac for everyday. 10K winch. Pioneer with 4" kenwoods in front, 6-1/2 MTX's in rear on a 600W amp and 12" sub on a kenwood 120W amp. 600w power inverter. 91 Toyota pu 4.3 Vortec 5spd.

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SteveO Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NM Posts: 1,848	Hmmm, I don't know if that is the case for the 3rd gen 4Runners and Tacos. I'll have to check my manuals tonight when I get home for this type of clip. __________________ http://www.Hunt4Steve.com In the span of time, life is short. Our life is like a wave on the ocean, a flower in the field, here today and gone tomorrow. Know yourself, know where you will spend eternity, for NOTHING else will matter when you die.

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gonzo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 264	I thought this was a 93 4runner that happened to and this was started about. 3rd gen. prolly is different don't know. __________________ 88 Toyota pu 4x4 22re 5spd. 4:88's, 2-1/2" exhaust from cat back, 3" BL. 33x12.5 thornbirds for play, 35 conti-trac for everyday. 10K winch. Pioneer with 4" kenwoods in front, 6-1/2 MTX's in rear on a 600W amp and 12" sub on a kenwood 120W amp. 600w power inverter. 91 Toyota pu 4.3 Vortec 5spd.

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RunnerUp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,020	this is on my 3rd gen when i had to replace my bearing, now im scared and want to take my truck to toyota to have them double check everything!!! __________________ Kyle 2002 4Runner - Lifted/Locked/Armored/Charged - 145k Miles 2007 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4WD 20k Miles Buy My Stuff!!! http://www.yotatech.com/f109/97-4run...rt-out-151470/

04-16-2007, 02:40 PM	#56 (permalink)
RunnerUp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,020	sorry they arent the best pics of what you wanted, but its as close as i could get! full thread here http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=110243 __________________ Kyle 2002 4Runner - Lifted/Locked/Armored/Charged - 145k Miles 2007 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4WD 20k Miles Buy My Stuff!!! http://www.yotatech.com/f109/97-4run...rt-out-151470/

04-16-2007, 03:05 PM	#57 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,377	Yes, it's a '93, but I think the rear axle is the same. I didn't really look at mine close when I pulled them to do the ARB's, so I'm not sure, but wouldn't there have to be a groove or something in the axle shaft for it to hold to? WTF is that gear thing in the pix above? ABS resolver? To make a long post a little longer - I don't trust a press fit like I do a solid mechanical connection like a FF axle has. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action Last edited by tc; 04-16-2007 at 03:08 PM.

04-16-2007, 04:00 PM	#58 (permalink)
RunnerUp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,020	there is a C clip that holds it together, and the bearing and restraining rings are are all pressed until they wont go any farther. the gear thing is an abs exciter ring that they have to cut off (along with both reatainer rings 92$) in order to press the bearing on. the guy i took it to here in gainesville was referred by gatorland toyota, so hopefully he knew what he was doing! to be honest with you, this was the first time i did this (bearings were replaced at 80k and i currently have 117k) and after seeing how it was set up, i dont know how much i trust it. dont even get me started on 4 tiny bolts holding my axle shaft to the axle housing thing... though i guess it has been fine for everybody else, so maybe i shouldnt worry abt it. on a side note, both front axle seals are leaking so i need to find some info on how to replace those and get to that... i love the smell of 75W/90 __________________ Kyle 2002 4Runner - Lifted/Locked/Armored/Charged - 145k Miles 2007 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4WD 20k Miles Buy My Stuff!!! http://www.yotatech.com/f109/97-4run...rt-out-151470/ Last edited by RunnerUp; 04-16-2007 at 04:02 PM.

04-16-2007, 05:23 PM	#60 (permalink)
RunnerUp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,020	brenjen your right, it is called a snap ring by toyota and most other people. guess i just followed the pack on that one... __________________ Kyle 2002 4Runner - Lifted/Locked/Armored/Charged - 145k Miles 2007 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4WD 20k Miles Buy My Stuff!!! http://www.yotatech.com/f109/97-4run...rt-out-151470/

04-16-2007, 05:28 PM	#61 (permalink)
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04-16-2007, 08:06 PM	#63 (permalink)
gonzo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 264	How about a pic of the axle at the wheel end, where the bearing would be. __________________ 88 Toyota pu 4x4 22re 5spd. 4:88's, 2-1/2" exhaust from cat back, 3" BL. 33x12.5 thornbirds for play, 35 conti-trac for everyday. 10K winch. Pioneer with 4" kenwoods in front, 6-1/2 MTX's in rear on a 600W amp and 12" sub on a kenwood 120W amp. 600w power inverter. 91 Toyota pu 4.3 Vortec 5spd.

04-16-2007, 08:13 PM	#64 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,033	sorry for referring to it as a C-clip =/ i guess we were all the on the same page except for those that are familiar with different axles =p Im happy you're all ok to, that would be scary! Maybe im confused, whats a 3rd gen 4runner? Isnt a 93 called a 2nd gen? When did they put ABS on toyotas? __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac.

04-16-2007, 08:49 PM	#65 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,377	Second gens have rear ABS, but the sensor is in the diff. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

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