in to the shop - Page 3

kylextrisler · 10-24-2007, 10:21 AM

n4yn and will thanks for your guys' help
and will now it all makes perfect sense, cuz i was confused about how the pulley was messed up and the water pump was still working and i can drive but it still gets hot cuz the fan isnt turning and etc
now it makes sense
and that mechanic was telling me it was an odd part but he didnt say it was a pretty limited part to toyota
thank you guys for your help its starting to come together for me
as for the estimate

perfect timing on that part hahah
thanks for giving me that link
ill have to buy that and get in on!

BC_4runner · 10-24-2007, 10:24 AM

its called the fan idler bracket that part from toyota is about 700 bucks so you better learn how it fix it it yourself because its a sealed bearing

Willcipher · 10-24-2007, 10:30 AM

Glad we're all clear now. I hope, in light of the above explanation and pic, nobody recommends another fan clutch, flex-a-lite fan, or electric fan to this guy again. If they do, it means they didn't read through this post or they're too inept to comprehend the issue. Not trying to sound like a douche but this is the reason Pirate successfully keeps good tech and weeds out the bad. Uniformed suggestions tend to run rampant without some sort of intervention.

kylextrisler · 10-24-2007, 10:36 AM

so what bc is telling me about is the same part that is $70, but via dealership is 600+
thats ridiculous
im gonna keep researching this part ie pulling replacing how it works too i guess, good stuff to learn
thanks for the help guys
pirate does have good help
but i figured if i posted there i'd get this

"search, f***ing newb"

BLKNBLU · 10-24-2007, 10:43 AM

Well the $70/$700 difference isn't exactly apples to apples. Sounds like the dealership price includes more stuff that you don't need.I've run across similar stuff where you get stuff you don't need or want with dealer parts.

Willcipher · 10-24-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kylextrisler

so what bc is telling me about is the same part that is $70, but via dealership is 600+
thats ridiculous
im gonna keep researching this part ie pulling replacing how it works too i guess, good stuff to learn
thanks for the help guys
pirate does have good help
but i figured if i posted there i'd get this

"search, f***ing newb"

Yes, BC is correct. Again, it includes the fan clutch which adds significantly to the price. One thing I noticed is that there is a difference between the older (88-92) and new (93-95) brackets. Hopefully yours is the older one because that can be had for cheap. The newer one appears to be specific to the hydraulic tensioner; meaning you need to mess with the T-Belt when you replace it.

BLKNBLU · 10-24-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Willcipher

One thing I noticed is that there is a difference between the older (88-92) and new (93-95) brackets. Hopefully yours is the older one because that can be had for cheap. The newer one appears to be specific to the hydraulic tensioner; meaning you need to mess with the T-Belt when you replace it.

Thats what I was wondering about in my earlier post. Again, I'm not a 3.0 guy and I was looking at the online '93 FSM. It just isn't clear from that if the bracket came off w/o involving the t-belt stuff. Kyle what year are you?

Willcipher · 10-24-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BLKNBLU

Thats what I was wondering about in my earlier post. Again, I'm not a 3.0 guy and I was looking at the online '93 FSM. It just isn't clear from that if the bracket came off w/o involving the t-belt stuff. Kyle what year are you?

For the record, I'm not a 3.0 guy either. I prefer the 3.4 swap

As BLKNBLU asked, it makes a big difference in what year you have. I observed this when I was able to find the aftermarket 88-92 brackets easily but no mention of the 93-95.. The link to the yotatech pic sealed the deal. He mentions and it shows a provision for the hydraulic tensioner.

Willcipher · 10-24-2007, 11:05 AM

As a sidenote, mtsumedi was still pimping this bracket on 08-20-2007. It will fit any 3VZ-E from 1993-1995.

He says "They sell for $70 plus shipping on Ebay for a cheap aftermarket part so I think $50 + shipping is fair."

So there's your quick solution if you're 93-95

v8sport4runner · 10-24-2007, 11:15 AM

The place in rancho cordova is called toyauto mart its on sunrise blvd. their # (916) 635-8900. Ive never gone there but plenty of my friends use that place. I didnt fully read the rest of this thread but if you need the parts, give em a call and see if they have what you need.

n4ynu1010 · 10-24-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Willcipher

For the love of Pete, his fan clutch isn't part of the problem. The fan attaches to the fan clutch. The fan clutch and the pulley bolt together to the FAN BRACKET ASSEMBLY. This is an oddity; most engines don't have this piece. Most engines have the fan bolted to the water pump. The 3VZ and 5VZ both use a 'dummy' water pump snout- essentially a cast aluminum bracket that attaches to the front of the motor and positions the fan/clutch/belts. It has a permanently set bearing and cannot be replaced. It is confusing unless you have actually taken one apart.

ROFL , For the LOVE of PETE ..............thankyou for clarifying that for me and no I have not done a Yota Pump on my 3.0 yet so now I know , Thanks

I was so confused

, this steak to rice diet change is hard on a old guy

n4ynu1010 · 10-24-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kylextrisler

n4yn and will thanks for your guys' help
and will now it all makes perfect sense, cuz i was confused about how the pulley was messed up and the water pump was still working and i can drive but it still gets hot cuz the fan isnt turning and etc
now it makes sense
and that mechanic was telling me it was an odd part but he didnt say it was a pretty limited part to toyota
thank you guys for your help its starting to come together for me
as for the estimate

perfect timing on that part hahah
thanks for giving me that link
ill have to buy that and get in on!

Yeah you can drive just don't stop hehe (Kid's don't try this at home

)

n4ynu1010 · 10-24-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Willcipher

Glad we're all clear now. I hope, in light of the above explanation and pic, nobody recommends another fan clutch, flex-a-lite fan, or electric fan to this guy again. If they do, it means they didn't read through this post or they're too inept to comprehend the issue. Not trying to sound like a douche but this is the reason Pirate successfully keeps good tech and weeds out the bad. Uniformed suggestions tend to run rampant without some sort of intervention.

Thankyou Master , I am but a old GM wrench turning motorhead trying to help out the mass's and rely upon you weathered rice burning pro's to keep me straight

Also learning about this truck also as it is the first one I have ever owned (Yota Trk that is , rice diet) .

Willcipher · 10-24-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by n4ynu1010

ROFL , For the LOVE of PETE ..............thankyou for clarifying that for me and no I have not done a Yota Pump on my 3.0 yet so now I know , Thanks

I was so confused

, this steak to rice diet change is hard on a old guy

Yes, the dummy water pump on the V6's has prolly confused many seasoned mechanics. You can't find something that weird on a domestic to my knowledge. It's the little things. Like the reverse rotation crankshaft on Hondas. I remember a guy snapping of the end of the crank on an Civic because he used a socket and a breaker bar wedged into the front suspension while he hit the starter to loosen the crank bolt. That works great on a Yota; no so good for a motor that turns counterclockwise though

kylextrisler · 10-24-2007, 02:50 PM

hahah at all your guys' post
i have a 93 3vze
i already contacted mtsumedi about his and it looks like thats gonna work
and i get what your saying about the dealership piece, i didnt think that the part deals w/ the timing belt?? i hope not cuz thats more stuff to worry about on the install haha
and i've heard aobut the place in rancho cordova
im gonna keep that number but i think im gonna be ok w/o them this time around
ill def. hit that place up soon tho
thanks for the help
sounds like this $1011 project is gonna come in at under $100 with belts

try and stiff a yotatech member

n4ynu1010 · 10-24-2007, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylextrisler

hahah at all your guys' post
i have a 93 3vze
i already contacted mtsumedi about his and it looks like thats gonna work
and i get what your saying about the dealership piece, i didnt think that the part deals w/ the timing belt?? i hope not cuz thats more stuff to worry about on the install haha
and i've heard aobut the place in rancho cordova
im gonna keep that number but i think im gonna be ok w/o them this time around
ill def. hit that place up soon tho
thanks for the help
sounds like this $1011 project is gonna come in at under $100 with belts

try and stiff a yotatech member

Does that mean since you are saving so much we all get a share of the savings ............................
ROFLOL

kylextrisler · 10-24-2007, 03:19 PM

hahah yea, we all get to use that money to chip in for groceries, gas and maybe even begin to build up the sas process!
hey tonight drinks on me, so grab a brew from the fridge and congradulate yourselves on a job well done!

n4ynu1010 · 10-24-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kylextrisler

hahah yea, we all get to use that money to chip in for groceries, gas and maybe even begin to build up the sas process!
hey tonight drinks on me, so grab a brew from the fridge and congradulate yourselves on a job well done!

HEHEHE

10-24-2007, 10:21 AM	#51 (permalink)
kylextrisler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 185	n4yn and will thanks for your guys' help and will now it all makes perfect sense, cuz i was confused about how the pulley was messed up and the water pump was still working and i can drive but it still gets hot cuz the fan isnt turning and etc now it makes sense and that mechanic was telling me it was an odd part but he didnt say it was a pretty limited part to toyota thank you guys for your help its starting to come together for me as for the estimate perfect timing on that part hahah thanks for giving me that link ill have to buy that and get in on! __________________ LcCoils, Bj Spacers, procomp es9k's, 33x12.50 xterrains sittin on 15x8 black rockcrawlers, 4crawler Panhard drop bracket Last edited by kylextrisler : 10-24-2007 at 10:23 AM.

10-24-2007, 10:24 AM	#52 (permalink)
BC_4runner Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 102	its called the fan idler bracket that part from toyota is about 700 bucks so you better learn how it fix it it yourself because its a sealed bearing __________________ 1990 4Runner 5spd 3.4 swapped bored .040 over 3" BL 33" bfg a/t's with hacked fenders painted flat black

10-24-2007, 10:30 AM	#53 (permalink)
Willcipher Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Louis Posts: 172	Glad we're all clear now. I hope, in light of the above explanation and pic, nobody recommends another fan clutch, flex-a-lite fan, or electric fan to this guy again. If they do, it means they didn't read through this post or they're too inept to comprehend the issue. Not trying to sound like a douche but this is the reason Pirate successfully keeps good tech and weeds out the bad. Uniformed suggestions tend to run rampant without some sort of intervention. __________________ 88 4Runner. 3.4 Supercharged, 7th injector, 3" exhaust

10-24-2007, 10:36 AM	#54 (permalink)
kylextrisler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 185	so what bc is telling me about is the same part that is $70, but via dealership is 600+ thats ridiculous im gonna keep researching this part ie pulling replacing how it works too i guess, good stuff to learn thanks for the help guys pirate does have good help but i figured if i posted there i'd get this "search, f***ing newb" __________________ LcCoils, Bj Spacers, procomp es9k's, 33x12.50 xterrains sittin on 15x8 black rockcrawlers, 4crawler Panhard drop bracket

10-24-2007, 10:43 AM	#55 (permalink)
BLKNBLU Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,229	Well the $70/$700 difference isn't exactly apples to apples. Sounds like the dealership price includes more stuff *that you don't need.*I've run across similar stuff where you get stuff you don't need or want with dealer parts. __________________ 86 Runner, BFG 31's, custom Sonoran Steel rear bumper, 4Crawler 1" body lift, rock sliders from Richard Stubbs, Downey 3" lift rear leaf springs, SDORI ball joint spacers, rear Lockright

10-24-2007, 11:05 AM	#59 (permalink)
Willcipher Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St Louis Posts: 172	As a sidenote, mtsumedi was still pimping this bracket on 08-20-2007. It will fit any 3VZ-E from 1993-1995. He says "They sell for $70 plus shipping on Ebay for a cheap aftermarket part so I think $50 + shipping is fair." So there's your quick solution if you're 93-95 __________________ 88 4Runner. 3.4 Supercharged, 7th injector, 3" exhaust

10-24-2007, 11:15 AM	#60 (permalink)
v8sport4runner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 199	The place in rancho cordova is called toyauto mart its on sunrise blvd. their # (916) 635-8900. Ive never gone there but plenty of my friends use that place. I didnt fully read the rest of this thread but if you need the parts, give em a call and see if they have what you need. __________________ -Grant 2004 4Runner V8 4x4 Sport (Galactic Gray) -2004 Sequoia Rims Powdercoated Black Look Here -Wild Country TXR's 265/70/17

10-24-2007, 02:50 PM	#65 (permalink)
kylextrisler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 185	hahah at all your guys' post i have a 93 3vze i already contacted mtsumedi about his and it looks like thats gonna work and i get what your saying about the dealership piece, i didnt think that the part deals w/ the timing belt?? i hope not cuz thats more stuff to worry about on the install haha and i've heard aobut the place in rancho cordova im gonna keep that number but i think im gonna be ok w/o them this time around ill def. hit that place up soon tho thanks for the help sounds like this $1011 project is gonna come in at under $100 with belts try and stiff a yotatech member __________________ LcCoils, Bj Spacers, procomp es9k's, 33x12.50 xterrains sittin on 15x8 black rockcrawlers, 4crawler Panhard drop bracket

10-24-2007, 03:19 PM	#67 (permalink)
kylextrisler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 185	hahah yea, we all get to use that money to chip in for groceries, gas and maybe even begin to build up the sas process! hey tonight drinks on me, so grab a brew from the fridge and congradulate yourselves on a job well done! __________________ LcCoils, Bj Spacers, procomp es9k's, 33x12.50 xterrains sittin on 15x8 black rockcrawlers, 4crawler Panhard drop bracket