Rcv cv axles
12-19-2010, 07:26 PM
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Rcv cv axles
I was in a book store looking at car porn today and i seen a add for rcv cv axles, besides being way overpriced has anyone tried them?
https://www.rcvperformance.com/store...roducts_id=119
https://www.rcvperformance.com/store...roducts_id=119
12-19-2010, 09:03 PM
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(I assume that $1685 gets you both sides.)
So figuring the current rate that I break (or otherwise want to replace) half-shafts .....
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12-20-2010, 11:14 AM
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Are you out of your minds?
They A, have more than 100 bucks in steel into those axles, Chromo isn't cheap. B, the R&D time alone costs a ton, not to mention the overhead for the machines that they need to maintain for turning axles out. C, those inboard joints look like chromoly 930 joints. Those run several hundred dollars apeice. Lastly, there is almost no demand. 16x markup? Please. Given that they have probably sold under 5 sets so far, RCV has likely lost their shirts already into the project.
Thankfully we have chowderheads like you all to piss and moan about the price, and pretty soon there won't be any upgraded CV's for IFS anymore.
By the way, autozone lifetime warranty CV's are junk, cheap steel. The OEM ones are decent, but still break. Also, "lifetime" actually doesn't exist, because when you start breaking 10 to 15 axles per summer, autozone will stop replacing them for you.
Anyway, keep up the asshattery, and then you can see this product pulled and not have to worry about it anymore.
They A, have more than 100 bucks in steel into those axles, Chromo isn't cheap. B, the R&D time alone costs a ton, not to mention the overhead for the machines that they need to maintain for turning axles out. C, those inboard joints look like chromoly 930 joints. Those run several hundred dollars apeice. Lastly, there is almost no demand. 16x markup? Please. Given that they have probably sold under 5 sets so far, RCV has likely lost their shirts already into the project.
Thankfully we have chowderheads like you all to piss and moan about the price, and pretty soon there won't be any upgraded CV's for IFS anymore.
By the way, autozone lifetime warranty CV's are junk, cheap steel. The OEM ones are decent, but still break. Also, "lifetime" actually doesn't exist, because when you start breaking 10 to 15 axles per summer, autozone will stop replacing them for you.
Anyway, keep up the asshattery, and then you can see this product pulled and not have to worry about it anymore.
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12-20-2010, 11:33 AM
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Yikes, you guys got Ike fired up!
I think this product may help pave the way for better IFS aftermarket technology, like BJ spacers, the Blazeland kit, etc. From what I understand, the $1500 cookie-cutter SAS kit hasn't been around all that long... folks used to have to figure out how to build it, set up the steering, and so on. Now it's just a kit. Someday we'll have a semi-bolt-on IFS kit that will rival the SAS... maybe?
I think this product may help pave the way for better IFS aftermarket technology, like BJ spacers, the Blazeland kit, etc. From what I understand, the $1500 cookie-cutter SAS kit hasn't been around all that long... folks used to have to figure out how to build it, set up the steering, and so on. Now it's just a kit. Someday we'll have a semi-bolt-on IFS kit that will rival the SAS... maybe?
12-20-2010, 11:40 AM
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That would be great! These axles are VERY expensive, to the point where a SAS sounds like a better option but it is defiantly a step in the right direction. It is something I would strongly consider if the price was a bit lower. It looks like a great product but when it comes down to dollars and cents, its hard to ignore other options
12-20-2010, 12:11 PM
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They are all that and a bag of chips, that's for sure!
I like the sound of the "RCV unbeatable 'You break it, we replace it' warranty" on most of their parts too. I like seein' if I can break things.
Having said that, I wheel pretty hard with 35s on my IFS and don't have too many problems with the stock CVs. I've had more trouble busting the gears in the front diff.
So, if I had a buttload of money burning a hole in my pocket...maybe?
But, untill I win the lottery, the stock CVs are good enough by me!
I like the sound of the "RCV unbeatable 'You break it, we replace it' warranty" on most of their parts too. I like seein' if I can break things.
Here is a pic we just got from RCV of the prototype '86 to '94 HD CV assemblies.
Specs:
300m Inner Stubs
4340 Inner flanges
930 Porche CVs 4340/300m lightened
300m center bar
RCV Toy IFS outer CV - 4340 bell, 300m star, 3/4" balls. The design is the same family and geometry as the RCV Dana 30/44 stuff and the uber-stout Longfields.
Specs:
300m Inner Stubs
4340 Inner flanges
930 Porche CVs 4340/300m lightened
300m center bar
RCV Toy IFS outer CV - 4340 bell, 300m star, 3/4" balls. The design is the same family and geometry as the RCV Dana 30/44 stuff and the uber-stout Longfields.
So, if I had a buttload of money burning a hole in my pocket...maybe?
But, untill I win the lottery, the stock CVs are good enough by me!
12-20-2010, 12:53 PM
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i browsed their site and seen it plastered a couple of places..check again Mak!
might not be just like he said word for word though.
Mudhippy, i've never seen your rig i dont think...ima check it out
might not be just like he said word for word though.
Mudhippy, i've never seen your rig i dont think...ima check it out
12-20-2010, 02:23 PM
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These CV's are all well and fine.
Are they worth $1600? Well.....thats debatable, but they are worth a lot. Saying 16x markup is a ridiculous statement, coming from a person who has never designed a product for market.
That said, I would never buy them. Here is why;
These CV axles are strong. Super strong. So strong, they will never break over the life of the vehicle. Invariably, with enough torque, SOMETHING has to break. So if the CV won't break, something else will. Lets say you break a gear. So you have to pay to upgrade the gears, and we all know 7.5" gear upgrades are A. Not cheap, and B. Not worth it. Then you have to up grade hub gears, studs, U-joints, etc. By the time you are done upgrading everything to the quality of these shafts, you have spent yourself into TWO Straight axles.
I have less into my SAS with Longs and Yukon 4.88 gears than JUST these axles cost. It simply is not "economical" by the time you get done. I wheeled my 4Runner through everything and not only was it stock, the Tbars were cranked with put more of an angle on the CV's. Never broke a single CV axle. And unless your truck is built for a WEROCK or King of the Hammer competition, I doubt you will ever break enough CV axles to match the cost of these axles.
That said, I think they have a quality product and applaud them for trying to nudge into a market that doesn't welcome IFS upgrades.
Are they worth $1600? Well.....thats debatable, but they are worth a lot. Saying 16x markup is a ridiculous statement, coming from a person who has never designed a product for market.
That said, I would never buy them. Here is why;
These CV axles are strong. Super strong. So strong, they will never break over the life of the vehicle. Invariably, with enough torque, SOMETHING has to break. So if the CV won't break, something else will. Lets say you break a gear. So you have to pay to upgrade the gears, and we all know 7.5" gear upgrades are A. Not cheap, and B. Not worth it. Then you have to up grade hub gears, studs, U-joints, etc. By the time you are done upgrading everything to the quality of these shafts, you have spent yourself into TWO Straight axles.
I have less into my SAS with Longs and Yukon 4.88 gears than JUST these axles cost. It simply is not "economical" by the time you get done. I wheeled my 4Runner through everything and not only was it stock, the Tbars were cranked with put more of an angle on the CV's. Never broke a single CV axle. And unless your truck is built for a WEROCK or King of the Hammer competition, I doubt you will ever break enough CV axles to match the cost of these axles.
That said, I think they have a quality product and applaud them for trying to nudge into a market that doesn't welcome IFS upgrades.
12-20-2010, 03:16 PM
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i broke a stock CV last winter driving through town in 4wd in the ice/snow..although the boot had been broken for a while and the cv was makin noises for while as well.
i too think it's WAYYYY too much for a set of axles.
i'd SAS before i spent that kinda money on IFS
i too think it's WAYYYY too much for a set of axles.
i'd SAS before i spent that kinda money on IFS
12-20-2010, 03:28 PM
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honestly, if i had the investment of long travel already on my vehicle ( total chaos ) and i wanted some CV joints to match the strength and value, I'd totally get these. but since im stock height, with manual hubs and only 33s. i'll rock my stock CVs. ONLY because i have 152k miles on my original CV joints, and they're still functional.
12-20-2010, 03:53 PM
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Whether or not you buy something is up to the individual, of course.
HOWEVER, lets be clear on a few things. The 7.5" diff is weak in its stock form. Been proven time and time again. However, an upgraded 7.5, say, with an ARB, is very strong. I have yet to see someone with an ARB in their front, early IFS diff, with a catestrophic failure of the gears. I'm sure there is one out there, I just haven't seen it.
Unless you are upgrading to 30 spline longs, the normal 27's are just as strong as these new axles.
Coupled with the fact that you can actually keep a truck very low with IFS, unlike with leaf spring swaps, you have a very attractive reason to want these axles to be on the market.
As demand picks up, these axles could go from a one off, make-em-as-the-orders-come-in deal, to a more streamlined, buy in bulk, etc... type of operation, which will bring costs down. Probably not as low as long fields, due to the extra joint, but better than they are now.
IFS handles much better at speed, and, for most wheelers, the ability to blast down fire roads, rock crawl a little here and there, and maintain fantastic road manners, an LT IFS set up is far more attractive than a SAS. The cost is not there yet, but it could be, if people stop whining about the cost of innovative new products.
If the product is not for you, then fine, don't buy it. Don't put up threads bashing a product you know nothing about.
Lastly, if you want to rock crawl solely, and have the coin, then SAS, run 60's and put in chromo stuff. Do the same if you don't rock crawl, but drive like a butt head. If you just wheel regularly, and actually have some talent behind the wheel, both a SAS or IFS can be viable options. Companies pushing the envelope in an ignored market should not be bashed.
This thread should be deleted.
HOWEVER, lets be clear on a few things. The 7.5" diff is weak in its stock form. Been proven time and time again. However, an upgraded 7.5, say, with an ARB, is very strong. I have yet to see someone with an ARB in their front, early IFS diff, with a catestrophic failure of the gears. I'm sure there is one out there, I just haven't seen it.
Unless you are upgrading to 30 spline longs, the normal 27's are just as strong as these new axles.
Coupled with the fact that you can actually keep a truck very low with IFS, unlike with leaf spring swaps, you have a very attractive reason to want these axles to be on the market.
As demand picks up, these axles could go from a one off, make-em-as-the-orders-come-in deal, to a more streamlined, buy in bulk, etc... type of operation, which will bring costs down. Probably not as low as long fields, due to the extra joint, but better than they are now.
IFS handles much better at speed, and, for most wheelers, the ability to blast down fire roads, rock crawl a little here and there, and maintain fantastic road manners, an LT IFS set up is far more attractive than a SAS. The cost is not there yet, but it could be, if people stop whining about the cost of innovative new products.
If the product is not for you, then fine, don't buy it. Don't put up threads bashing a product you know nothing about.
Lastly, if you want to rock crawl solely, and have the coin, then SAS, run 60's and put in chromo stuff. Do the same if you don't rock crawl, but drive like a butt head. If you just wheel regularly, and actually have some talent behind the wheel, both a SAS or IFS can be viable options. Companies pushing the envelope in an ignored market should not be bashed.
This thread should be deleted.
Last edited by AxleIke; 12-20-2010 at 03:55 PM.
