Tortue

I just bought a 1986 4X4, 22re extra-cab!
She's only seen 100,000 miles and she looks like it! I'll send some pics later, but for now, two questions for y'all...
I drove 250 miles by motorcycle to get her, loaded the bike in the back and drove home.
Question 1
She takes her time to start. Whether she's hot or cold, she must be cranked for 5 seconds or so, and then she sputters to life. After reading several posts, I can't seem to find a common reason. Anyone have a gut feeling for the cause?
Question 2
She's an automatic, and yes I'm aware of the added load to the motor, but she sure takes her time to see 70mph. I've driven several 22re's in the past but this one is slooooow.
I'll be setting the valves and timing (with plugs/wires and rotor) this weekend. Anything else I should look for?
Thanks in advance!

MaK92-4RnR

1) Could be a lot of things. Battery, alternator, starter should be checked first

2) automatics and a 22re dont go together well. im surprised you actually hit 70 mph... you can do the valve train tune up, but it'll just quiet the valves, im sure. I'd look into swapping a w56 tranny and T-case.

BMcEL

Slow start is likely not related to alternator/battery/starter. I'm leaning towards cold start injector, which I believe fires briefly even when warm. x2 on 22re/automatic being slow to begin with.

pruney81

pics! Sounds like a great find, even with an automatic. I was really pumped to find my 90 2 years ago with only 95,800 miles. Buying a 22RE with only 100K on it, you're pretty much guaranteed another 100K out of it easy.

blake.nemitz

fuel system losing prime maybe, or like stated above csi

Tortue

Thanks gang!
I'll take a look at the csi and any leakage issues. I'm stuck with the automatic for now, but I'm guessing that without the 500 lbs of motorcycle and the wind wall it created during the trip home, she might do a bit better.
I'll let y'all know...

irab88

iTrader: (4)

what exactly causes this?

snobdds

I would also take an Ohmmeter to the cold start injector time switch, located right below the throttle body. I don't know the specs off hand, but they should easily pop up on a search of the forum. Also, timing chains need to be replaced between 90,000-100,000 miles. When you have the valve cover off, check the guides to make sure they’re still there and in good shape. It would be wise to start reading up on how to change out the timing chain. I know it can be done without removing the head, but I like to take the head off to get a good seal between the timing cover and the head itself. Also it’s reassuring to know the head gasket is in good shape for another 100, 000 miles.

A good tune up of the following items should bring her back to life:
Plugs
Wires
cap
rotor
fuel filter
Air filter
Valve adjustment

vwfastg60

Id start by doing a basic tune up. Plugs, wires, cap and rotor and valve adjustment. I'm OCD with stuff so id also do the timing chain and water pump. Change the fuel filter and fluids. And clean the maf!

If its still having a hard time starting look in to the cold start injector but honestly if it does it warm i dont think thats the issue. Cold start injector from my understanding it only when the motor is cold. I could see the maf being dirty as more of a cause then the cold start injector...I have seen em run fine with out them so start looking to the basic things and then if thats all good check it and if thats not it then make sure the fuel pump is working correctly. Good luck

myyota

I think one of the main problems with a 22RE with an automatice behind it is that trucks and 4Runners are under geared for the automatic transmission. Ive read diferent threads here were some have added 4.88 or 5.29 gears, and it made a huge diference in power and acceleration.

Tortue

An update...
The tune-up added a lot more punch. However, you already guessed it...
CHAIN GUIDES!
Little bits and pieces here and there. I managed to fish out the passenger side chunk but the rest is in the pan.
There's a slight double groove in the cover as well. Anyone know how thick that wall is?
I'd guess that the grooves are 3/32" or so.
Next weekend she'll get a new chain/sprockets/cover as well as metal guides and what the heck, since I'm in the 'hood, an oil and water pump.
Other suggestions?

andrewflores17

congrats its a toy

hmmm for sugestions

pics and lots of um show her off

yodaLJ

Ya I changed the guides to metal, oil and water pump when I did my 94's head. Wasnt too bad at all

Sounds like a good find tho, lets see some pictures

Tortue

Sorry guys, I have no idea how to post a picture.
There's nothing intuitive about the process.

BMcEL

FAQ section rings a bell...

worshipmentor

iTrader: (3)

I have a VERY similar 87 xtra cab, 4x4 22RE Auto and here are my thoughts.
Slow to fire and rough for a bit sounds like what I discovered to be a vacuum leak @ the intake.
Power is so-so on these but with a little timing bump, Supra AFM/battery swap, larger exhaust & header it ist to bad. If I went with more than stock tires I would likely follow the earlier advice and lower the gear ratio. Right now though, it's hard to complain about averaging 18-20 mpg!

Tortue

Amen on the gas mileage!
I've got an '86 Hardbody xtra cab with the 4 cyl. She'll get around 13 mpg in the city and 16 on the highway. BTW, she'll be going up for sale when I get the timing chain project done next week. I hate to see her go, but I need to make some room in the toy box.
I'll figure out the pic process soon and get some shots posted. In the meantime, if anyone has a timing cover laying about, new or used, would you take a look at the drivers side wall where the chain usually rubs (with broken guides), and let me know how thick it is there? I may lay a bead of 4043 in the grooves and and call it good enough.
Thanks again!

Tortue

OK, here goes...
Loaded up and ready for the ride home.

Tortue

Well that didn't work...

BMcEL

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