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Old 09-18-2016, 11:27 AM
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new PS pump, really tight steering

Well, we replaced the pitman arm, lower ball joints, and the power steering pump on my 1993. The old PS pump was leaking from the shaft (we believe, thats the only thing left to leak) Now, its decently harder to turn, but its almost sticky, very annoying on the highway, doing little corrections. I think it might be getting better, maybe just breaking in the new pump. I was confused with the two vacuum lines coming out, I think that they are on right. Would that impact the steering? I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by 128keaton
I was confused with the two vacuum lines coming out, I think that they are on right. Would that impact the steering? I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else.
The two large vacuum hoses off the p/s pump from the intake can be switched around or even removed and capped off with no consequences. They feed into the top of the same valve so your problem has to be somewhere else.
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Where did you source you new pump??

Corner auto parts store rebuilts are often junk right out of the box.
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Where did you source you new pump??

Corner auto parts store rebuilts are often junk right out of the box.
AutoZone. I was in a pinch.
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AutoZone. I was in a pinch.
Do you still have the old leaky pump? You can buy a gates rebuild kit and follow one of the steering pump rebuild threads.
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
Do you still have the old leaky pump? You can buy a gates rebuild kit and follow one of the steering pump rebuild threads.
Unfortunately not
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Yeah, jeez, this is terrible. Now I've gotta find another pump and replace the AZ POS...
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Yeah, jeez, this is terrible. Now I've gotta find another pump and replace the AZ POS...
Well, before all that I'd remove the p/s belt and just drive it a little without power steer. It should feel really hard to turn at very slow speeds, but easy above say 20mph. Do some not-too-slow tight turns in a big parking lot and lane changes at speed. If it feels fine under those conditions, then you know it's the pump for sure. Also, does the atf (you are using dexron iii, right?) have bubbles in it while the engine is running?
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Well, before all that I'd remove the p/s belt and just drive it a little without power steer. It should feel really hard to turn at very slow speeds, but easy above say 20mph. Do some not-too-slow tight turns in a big parking lot and lane changes at speed. If it feels fine under those conditions, then you know it's the pump for sure. Also, does the atf (you are using dexron iii, right?) have bubbles in it while the engine is running?
Ok, I'll try it. I've driven a couple of cars without power steering, and its much easier than this. It is sticking, like if you turn the steering wheel, it will stay turned. Doing minor corrections is hard, since it sticks, and then you have to corrector for that correction, and its an endless cycle. I am using PS fluid. PO said he never used anything but (I had a rad fan blow up and take out the passenger PS hose, I just used PS fluid again). I did bleed it a bit. I'll try bleeding it again, seeing if it works better. While reinstalling the pitman arm, we've somehow got it in a bind. Warning: so much fail ahead. We figured putting the nut on and tightening would help. And it did, until the threads were pulled out of the nut. *sigh*. Waiting on another nut to come in. I have a trip planned to Indianapolis on the 30th, so I've got to get her running 100% soon!
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Another, more expensive, thought popped into my head. We had to beat on the gear from the steering box to get the old pitman arm out, is there a possibility we broke the gear out of the worm drive?
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Hammering on parts when a suitable puller is whats needed, is always bad news.

This may turn out to be an expensive lesson.

Hopefully, the box is not damaged.

It is never a mistake to spend money on tools.

I try to buy first quality used tools at pawn shops and such.

A first quality used tool will always be saleable for near what you paid for it.

Chinese slave labor tools are worthless the minute you have laid down your money.

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Originally Posted by millball
Hammering on parts when a suitable puller is whats needed, is always bad news.

This may turn out to be an expensive lesson.

Hopefully, the box is not damaged.

It is never a mistake to spend money on tools.

I try to buy first quality used tools at pawn shops and such.

A first quality used tool will always be saleable for near what you paid for it.

Chinese slave labor tools are worthless the minute you have laid down your money.
All true. I was given a large set of 1960's-90's craftsman tools from my in-laws. I've sent my old set of Walmart and dollar-store tools to sulk in the corner.

As for the steering being sticky and the new info about bashing off the old arm... yikes! Something sounds broken, and it's not your p/s pump. If you don't know where to start looking, I'd jack up the front and use a stethoscope to find weird noises while someone turns the wheel.

You really should consider flushing the system to dexron iii after you fix whatever's broken (hopefully not the gearbox but don't get your hopes too high). I know some people run p/s fluid with no problems, but it's not the correct stuff to use. I think it's thinner and has a different amount of detergent. You can read threads where people are surprised at how much smoother the system felt after switching back to atf. It's your truck, but just sayin'...
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