mrboyertown

I have a 94 ext. cab auto v6 3.0 sr5 model pickup. With a completely full tank of gas 17.5gal. Im getting just over 200 miles. It seems like awfully low fuel mileage but im not sure. What does everybody else get for miles with a completely full tank of gas with the 3.0 and automatic transmission? With the price of fuel this is killing me!

DeathCougar

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Gah Not Another Mpg Question!!!

Its a 3.0! They suck gas!



How far down do you go on the gas gauge before refilling?

Right now I am getting about 15-18mpg on average in my 89 4Runner V6 4x4 Auto

dirtyXplorer

City I get around 13-15 mpg, Hwy I get 22.5 mpg...Seems like a big gap but its true

passion2serv

There is a company that sells a fuel assist (HAFC), I believe it cost $1,000.00. I am concidering it for my '93 4Runner. Here's the link if you're interested (http://www.preignitioncc.com/go/index.htm). They guarantee at least 50% more fuel economy. If it really works it's well worth the $1,000. If I install it any time soon I'll post the results.

mic

the link isn't working for me.

1990Runner

i get around 15-18, mixed city/highway and thats improved ove the10-12 i used to get before i did a tune up and replaced a bad injector. seafoam it a couple of times. that stuff is godsend

passion2serv

Here's the link again. http://www.preignitioncc.com/go/index.htm

stormin94

18.5 MPG 3.0 5speed.

RB Cam RB

That actually just got me really interested. I wouldn't mind rolling around with 50 mpg.

Matt16

Whoa, that PICC is a load of crap. I watched their video and near the end (18:30 to be exact) the spokesman states that you no longer need to change you oil due to this "pre ignition" catalytic converter because it burns so clean. Hold on, what about thermal break down and suspended metallic particles etc???

Matt16

That said, I wish I could get 5 times my mpg, as it would bring me up to 90mpg.

idanity

yeah, oil getting dirty is still old oil (not as dirty, but the viscosity will deteriorate.

i wonder about power ?
they say nothing about 0-60 times, and shy away from any power gains.
but hey,
at 60mpg its a good start.


i also wonder about maintenance, what if those things break, or fail.
what is the longevity of the installation.
how does plasma stay hot on startups and what if there is a leak. extinguishing plasma is a whole new ballgame than fuel (both bad, but plasma is used to melt steel)

loads of questions, and im interested in this too.
keep us posted.
b/c i would rather burn water and less fuel too. (since theres oceans of water and ponds of fuel).


how much fuel is left anyways?
somethings going to happen.

gtcoupe

Do a little research. Dennis Lee is nothing but a con man, and his "technology" is nothing more than bulls**t. Just Google his name for the whole story.

pat24

trychanging your ful filter you milalge may got up another 2mpg its what happens on my ford

bigtrucknwheels

V6 Auto. 31x10.50's on 4.10 gears. I think the gearing uses more gas because it requires more effort to get up to speed. I do a mileage conversion when I check my MPG for reference.

15-17.5. My highest ever was like 18.9.

GV27

LOL....wanna buy a bridge? Just $1000. It's a real classic, recently restored and in excellent condition. Features BOTH car and pedestrian traffic carrying capabilities. One end sits on prime Manhattan real-estate. PM me for my PayPal ID:

PCE91V64x4

91 V6 5 spd 4x4 reg cab, 18.2 mpg last fill up. Only my 2nd fill-up since I bought it a few weeks ago.

If an F-150 can get 33 mpg with that magic device I bet my truck could easily get 45 mpg. Plus, there is a money back guarantee, so there is no risk!!!

GV27

Heck, I reckon if you combined that thing with a Tornado and a Fuel Magnetizer you'd get like 2000 miles to the gallon for $1500. I think we just found the answer to global warming, oil shortages, mid-east violence, jock itch and ED! Plus on those things a 3vze would never blow another head gasket AND put out something in the neighborhood of 500hp.

Nice job boys!

http://www.tornadofuel-saver.com/

http://www.fuelmagnetizer.com

edit: My Jr. High metal shop teacher told us that you could ditch all of your emissions stuff and just put a coffee can full of charcoal over the tailpipe and have zero emissions. Think we could hit 4000mpg with that?

elripster

Since this thread is thoroughly derailed....

To the OP, your mileage is too low. What tires are you running? What is the state of tune of your engine.

To the rest. I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering and cars are my thing. There is some science behind this but it's not telling you the whole story. (big surprise)

It is true that adding a small amount of hydrogen to the air/fuel mix will act as a healthy octane boost allowing for much more aggressive timing advance. Notice they have a piggy backed computer, I bet that fools the timing and knock algorithms. It probably also alters the injection map.

Here's where my problem with this first started. Where did they get the energy to "crack" the fuel molecules. Magnets? Well aligning molecules is no big deal and with the chaotic environment of the combustion chamber they sure aren't going to stay aligned very long. You can crack molecules, it will burn very completely, but it takes energy to do and it has to come from somewhere. Typically it comes from the heat of reaction within the cylinder.(a good place) Well I think the answer is the "Covalizer". I can't find how much it costs but it is supposed to make the fuel easier to "crack". Wanna bet the bottle isn't cheap? It would explain how they intend to turn the fuel into plasma (disassociated particles) with not too much energy in their second stage which is not available yet. Otherwise, you are using electricity to do something that could just as easily (and more efficiently) be done with waste heat, something our engines have loads of.

Anyway, this will likely improve your economy but nowhere near what they are claiming. I mean 5X? Maybe on an engine that is running horribly with a bad knock sensor which is retarding the timing beyond belief and is sort of "fixed" by this band aide. Or, maybe an engine with loads of carbon build up which increases the compression ratio and tends to "smolder" both causing detonation and timing retardation. (see Seafoam) On a healthy engine, you'll see some number under say 10%. Keep in mind, 10% on an engine getting 15mpg is an increase of 1.5mpg. That's not totally out there. Lot's of 4x4's can do that.

The last an utmost issue with this is that there are no testimonials from any engineers. Not to dis mechanics, but you need to understand the physics to ask the right questions. There's no energy balance data on that page and that is what would lend validity to this.

If you want to experiment, go ahead if you have the money to burn but keep your expectations low.

Frank

elripster

I just thought of more issues. With hydrogen you have to worry about hydrogen embrittlement in the metal parts with which it comes in contact. Also, if the add-on system doesn't detect the amount of hydrogen entering the engine because say, it springs a leak, the advanced timing combined with the lean fuel map alteration will destroy the engine real quick. This is part of the reason why OEM's don't do this not to mention you have to remember to keep the water tank full. Yeah, water is cheap but people are forgetful.

Frank