Erik Beeman

I was watching a video of a dyno run...it was posted in one of the forums... The beginning in the video it displays what is done to the truck, in which it says turbo LC Engineering engine...long story short, at the end, it says "197hp, 237 (i think) torque... Now, I've been looking into the turbo LC engine...it's around $6K...but if it only put 197hp to the wheels, I'll opt to build my own. For a turbo motor, I don't care if its only 4cyl, paying $6K for less than 200hp seems horrible. Are these motors really only putting out 200?

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AP4CHE

Skip the 22r and do a 3.4 swap if you wanna spend that much money.

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corax

I got a 200hp 7MGE ('86.5-'91 Supra) into my 'runner for less than $1,500 . . . now that motor has potential if you want to add forced induction

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NicCantDecide

damn I spent 6K on my B-Series honda engine and that thing's built to handle 450hp. Only running 300 right now though.

Sounds like a waste of money, the LCE engine. Do a 1UZ swap I'd like to do that one day...when I have money...lol

Erik Beeman

No rudeness intended, but I knew I'd get you guys that say "do this swap do that swap, put this motor in, do a 3.4, 1jz...ya ya ya".


I was asking about the LC motors. =}

Erik Beeman

I guess you guys are right...I can just buy a crate 350 with 400hp for 6K, if I want to spend that money........right?

Bigblock

At least spend 6k on a Toyota engine.
Bigblock

abecedarian

I don't know anyone who's offered a cheap way to get mega-horsepower from a 22re. There's some cheating available, but once you pop over around 120 hp from a 22re, the cost escalates dramatically. Best I've seen is about $1000 per 20 hp... and all of it comes with reduced reliablility.

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xcmountain80

No joke at least it can be turbo'd or SC'd.

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stagger_lee

Put it this way, LCE is top of the line. They build 4 cylinders for racing. You get what you pay for, $6k gets you 197hp at the wheels and a bulletproof motor. I would not want a turbo motor on a rock crawler though. More desert racing, long travel, circle track. Most motors/turbos don't boost until about 2500 rpms unless its a tiny turbo. You have to keep the engine up to speed to get the power.

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abecedarian

I will counter that a bit though and suggest that the turbo could be lost and replaced with a supercharger without significant detriment. The engine management system LC offers for use with their turbo works equally as well with a supercharger. You'd then have a low-end-torque engine suitable for crawling....
But then maybe too much torque at low rpm's won't work with low gear ratios, making a turbo more suitable for a dual-purpose crawler/street engine.
Many variables to consider....

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bigt

you could do a diesel swap for that much...i heard with just a superchip my diesel can get 150 horses up from the 100ish.. and the torque is already niiice

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iamsuperbleeder

as far as I can figure, for the cost to build a good decent aftermarket forced induction setup on the 22re, you could put together a naturally aspirated motor with a bulletproof bottom end that'll probably have more HP and toque, as well as a steady curve on the two through the RPMs...

on the 22re anyway; that's not going to apply to every motor...

don't get me wrong, you can boost the $#!@ outta a 22re and get some good power, BUT, you'll have to modify litterally everything to make the motor handle the boost...

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stagger_lee

My subaru brain can't fathom a turbo rock crawler. My wrx didnt start really boosting until 2900 and peaked at 5000 rpms. That was a fairly big turbo though. At least with a SC you run off belts and engine speed, no lag. I don't know.

Bottom line I love LCE and their products. Wish I could afford them all.

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Fofo

LC is very pricey. We can build a motor for 3k and they will charge 6k or more for it. So if your willing to do your homework you could get a nice FI set up for around 3k.

Also 190+ hp out of a 4 banger is pretty damn good. Thats near double the hp.

abecedarian

The whole cost / hp ratio is what I was getting at... you can add 25 or so hp to a stock 22re for about 1000 total (considering the cost of totally rebuilding the engine). And then you'll be averaging about 25 hp more for every 1000 dollars you spend on top of that.

I could argue that 190 hp out of a 4 cylinder is not un-heard of and has actually been accomplished many times on stock vehicles during the late 80's through 90's... and often, those mod's, properly worked, could exceed 400 hp at the wheels...
... but that's not the point here.

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scuba

TURBO 3RZ FTW !!!!

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abecedarian

That's easy to say when you don't have to pony up and prove it...
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... scuba ...
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... got yer ball joint spacers on yet? How's yer power steering?

Sorry, but what was the last turbo engine you owned?

and before you say it... yes I "F" up too....

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CanTheWhales

They actually used to have a Camden supercharger kit spec'd at 15psi...always thought it'd be cool, but it was like 2400...don't know if they still have it though.

Belize Off Road Team

I would look at the 4.7L V8 or 3.4L V6 for a swap, both are capable of ample horsepower with the right modification and you can find both with relative ease for a fraction of the price of the LCE turbo engine.

Had I been able to, I would have bought the 4.7L V8 from the Tundra.

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rusche

3.4 V6 with the SC.
Got one on moms Tacoma
275 horse or so. Thats at like 8lbs. Bigger injectors, new ECU, and we could bump it to almost 16

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Erik Beeman

Thanks for all the answers.



I have a project truck. I'll be the first to admit, money really isn't the stopper when building a motor for me. I am interested in the LC engine, but like I said, for 6K, I'd expect a little more than 200hp, especially when it's a turbo set up. I only say this...because I and a buddy just finished building a turbo 4 cylinder for his Mitsu Starion..a G54B block..the motor is a 2.6, running on TBI, vs the option of MPI...and we're putting it out around 250. That's at 7psi, running a stand alone ECU (Megasquirt).........we build them ourselves, and I believe the total cost of everything, was, MAYBE 4K.


I have a project truck, and it'll get a swap at one point or another. If you look at it this way, yes, you guys are right..If I want 400hp, I can just build a V8 and do all that, blah blah. But the point is (for me, at least), is fun having a small (or, large relatively) 4 banger that puts some pretty good power to the ground. I'm just looking for opinions and options. The idea for me is to DD the truck, while on the side build the motor I want..how I want, and when it's finished, put it in.

Erik Beeman

There is a guy I work with currently that has some knowledge about these little Toyota's.. He's seen a few 350 swaps in them (Keep in mind I own a 2WD 88 RE), and he says with the V8 torque, he's seen the frames twist. Truth, or bull? Wouldn't traction be a problem, before the frame goes kerplunk?

DIRTCO

I have to agree that LCE is top of the line and makes a great product. They are pround of their products though, and seem to price a lot of them that way. I guess the way you have to look at it is your getting a fully rebuild racing engine (like you were saying). Most of the engines LCE are building are set up for racing classes were you have to keep that engine (no engine swaps), so you spend the money and your one of the fastest in your class.

I agree with a lot of the other people here when I say that a 3.4 swap would be a smarter way to spend the money. The 3.4 is a better motor to start out with if your going to be looking for more power down the road, it's also going to be more cost effictive. The one thing you have to remember when you look at the cost of the LCE engine is that it's a completly rebuilt racing engine. Yea, you can swap in a Supra engine, 3RZ or 3.4 cheeper or for the same price but these are stock, used engines. They might make the same or more power but it's really not the same thing. I'm sure that there is almost as much labor in one of the LCE 22r engines as there is in a built V8 engine.

I'm in the process of building a 86' Turbo 4Runner as my daily driver, rock crawler and all around expedition style rig. It has an LCE short block set up for the turbo along with some other goodie's. While it's not a power house, it does get around really well. I have not noticed any problems with the turbo on the trail. It doesn't boost up very often (on the trail) but that's not an issue, it's pretty much like a stock 22RE. Also, along with RPM, engine load plays a large factor in how hard the turbo is working. I can cruise along a flat highway at a higher RPM and have very little boost, while around town going up a large hill the turbo starts to spool up a lot faster and harder. On the trail, in low range, there is very little load on the engine because of all the extra torque created by the extra gearing. The reason I like the turbo is for the trip to, and from the trail. That's really where it makes a differance.

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seaofnames

The old rule applies when you talk about larger displacement.

There is no replacement for displacement!

Its still a 4 banger, but it is larger, its going to be capable of putting out more power if its completely rebuilt.
Another thing to think about is torque/hp curves, not just peak numbers.

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