Hub Help

Bassmastry101 · 05-14-2008, 07:49 AM

Hello everyone!
I'm new here and so far I like what I see.

I know this issue i'm having might be getting old to you guys, but still I need some help. My 1986 4runner came stock with automatic locking hubs. The other day I was coming home from UGA and the front wheel on the passenger side was making this really annoying grinding noise, I figured either hub or my bearing. It got so loud that if I pull up to a red light, the people inside the store at the intersection was turning their heads. Well I pulled over and tried for about 15 minutes to get the hubs to unlock by backing up and pulling forward over and over and eventually I got them to unlock, and the noise stopped...well when I got home I guess my dirt road made it start doing it again. I pulled the auto locking hub off the passenger side , and if you shake the assembly you can hear stuff jingling around. Since i've never messed with auto hubs i'm not sure what it is. So i've read here and a few other places that you can change it to manual, and increase the life of the axles and other things. I want to know if I can just go to pull a part or something and just get manuals and just pull the autos off and swap them. And what all parts and some techniques anyone would recommend for the process. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

RiNkY · 05-14-2008, 07:59 AM

I found this helpful when I put my WARN Manual hubs on: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/autohub/

I know allot of people plug the quality of the AISIN Hubs - but I wanted to be different!

Belize Off Road Team · 05-14-2008, 07:59 AM

check with dirtoyboy. he can help you out alot with getting stock used AISIN manual hubs.

mt_goat · 05-14-2008, 08:03 AM

Definitely swap them for some manual hubs. Aisin hubs are the best but if you're not too hard core Warn hubs will work too.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/autohub/

I'm pulling off my Warn hubs now to replace with Aisin hubs so I'll sell you a set cheap.

Bassmastry101 · 05-14-2008, 08:57 AM

Wow those replys were pretty quick. That sounds good, how cheap are you willing to sell?

mt_goat · 05-14-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bassmastry101

Wow those replys were pretty quick. That sounds good, how cheap are you willing to sell?

PM sent, here's some pics of them.

devldogs55 · 05-14-2008, 12:52 PM

I've got a set of Warn Premiums on my truck like Dales - I love 'em. They're super easy to install (though I didn't need the spline kit for your Auto hubs). Took me about 30 minutes per side to install - most of the time was taking the tires off and applying gasket to them.

leebee · 05-14-2008, 04:51 PM

wabfab has them as well.

lee

Bassmastry101 · 05-15-2008, 07:09 AM

This is probably a dumb question...Well the motor in my other truck just crapped out on me this morning, which leaves me with 2 front yard ornaments lol. Is it even possible to drive my 4runner without the locking hubs? Since the wheel rotates without them. I'm just not sure if the axle would slide out or not.

dirtoyboy · 05-15-2008, 07:15 AM

I wouldnt recommend Warn hubs. The design is inferior to Aisin/ASCO hubs because they dont use cone washers. I have seen many pairs (of Warns) go in the garbage..just FYI

mt_goat · 05-15-2008, 07:19 AM

I wouldn't do that, you might screw up the splines on the axle. Plus wouldn't you get dirt into the CV or bearings?

Bassmastry101 · 05-15-2008, 07:27 AM

Maybe if I strip the gears out of the hubs and bolted it back up? Wouldn't that be the same as manual locking hubs with them unlocked? I don't think i'm gonna risk it driving an hour to school with no hub

mt_goat · 05-15-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bassmastry101

Maybe if I strip the gears out of the hubs and bolted it back up? Wouldn't that be the same as manual locking hubs with them unlocked?

Not really, the manual hubs have a gear with bearing surface that goes over the axle splines and supports the axle when they are unlocked.

Bassmastry101 · 05-15-2008, 08:18 AM

Which explains why there is a big washer that screws onto the axle...I just thought about that

1stgen4gunner · 05-15-2008, 08:31 AM

do yourself a favor, ditch the auto locking hubs, and get manual locking hubs.

devldogs55 · 05-15-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtoyboy

I wouldnt recommend Warn hubs. The design is inferior to Aisin/ASCO hubs because they dont use cone washers. I have seen many pairs (of Warns) go in the garbage..just FYI

Warn hubs work very well. The only design flaw I can see is the nuts coming loose where the Aisin Hubs would use cone washers. That's why God invented BLUE LOCTITE! Guess what? Mine stay on there just fine. My hubs lock and unlock every time, and they stay locked when I need 'em to.

I hear claims all the time that Aisins are stronger than Warns. This may be true - but I have never seen any evidence or real support for this claim other than someone saying "I've seen Warn hubs get thrown away before."

Warn Hubs are easy to find, inexpensive (compared to reman Aisin) - and they have a LIFETIME warranty on them.

dirtoyboy · 05-15-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by devldogs55

Warn hubs work very well. The only design flaw I can see is the nuts coming loose where the Aisin Hubs would use cone washers. That's why God invented BLUE LOCTITE! Guess what? Mine stay on there just fine. My hubs lock and unlock every time, and they stay locked when I need 'em to.

I hear claims all the time that Aisins are stronger than Warns. This may be true - but I have never seen any evidence or real support for this claim other than someone saying "I've seen Warn hubs get thrown away before."

Warn Hubs are easy to find, inexpensive (compared to reman Aisin) - and they have a LIFETIME warranty on them.

How much are Warn hubs? Aisin hubs are usually about 60 dollars used

Bassmastry101 · 05-15-2008, 09:26 AM

Maybe the motor on my other truck is damaged beyond my budget allows, because my aunt is anxious to get rid of her 96 tacoma 2wd ex cab.

Anyways, I appreciate all advice that was given, looking forward to getting some manual hubs soon! As long as my hubs don't mess up or my cv breaks, i'm fine with anykind. It's no rock crawling kinda truck, so I won't be doing anything harsh to break them.

devldogs55 · 05-15-2008, 09:26 AM

The used Aisins for 60 bucks are pretty much just taken right off a vehicle - which is fine, and it's a good price. I'm the kinda guy who has to either have new or rebuilt stuff on things like this. I almost purchased a set of rebuilt Aisins but they run $250 from WABFAB. They're great hubs and look and function like brand spankin new - but I ended up spending $140 on my brand new Warn Hubs.

Nothin wrong with used though.

dirtoyboy · 05-15-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by devldogs55

The used Aisins for 60 bucks are pretty much just taken right off a vehicle - which is fine, and it's a good price. I'm the kinda guy who has to either have new or rebuilt stuff on things like this. I almost purchased a set of rebuilt Aisins but they run $250. They're great hubs and look and function like brand spankin new - but I ended up spending $140 on my brand new Warn Hubs.

Nothin wrong with used though.

Just FYI, you can buy a rebuild kit from Toyota for about 10 dollars. It takes less than an hour to rebuild BOTH hubs.....It's actually very very simple

05-14-2008, 07:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	Hub Help Hello everyone! I'm new here and so far I like what I see. I know this issue i'm having might be getting old to you guys, but still I need some help. My 1986 4runner came stock with automatic locking hubs. The other day I was coming home from UGA and the front wheel on the passenger side was making this really annoying grinding noise, I figured either hub or my bearing. It got so loud that if I pull up to a red light, the people inside the store at the intersection was turning their heads. Well I pulled over and tried for about 15 minutes to get the hubs to unlock by backing up and pulling forward over and over and eventually I got them to unlock, and the noise stopped...well when I got home I guess my dirt road made it start doing it again. I pulled the auto locking hub off the passenger side , and if you shake the assembly you can hear stuff jingling around. Since i've never messed with auto hubs i'm not sure what it is. So i've read here and a few other places that you can change it to manual, and increase the life of the axles and other things. I want to know if I can just go to pull a part or something and just get manuals and just pull the autos off and swap them. And what all parts and some techniques anyone would recommend for the process. Any help will be greatly appreciated!

05-14-2008, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
RiNkY Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 221	I found this helpful when I put my WARN Manual hubs on: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/autohub/ I know allot of people plug the quality of the AISIN Hubs - but I wanted to be different! __________________ -------------------- RiNkY 87 4Runner (22re) 4x4 5spd. 1.5" BJ Spacers, 1" Diff Drop, WARN Manual Hubs, 2" Downey Leaf Springs, Skyjacker Shocks, 6" Wabfab shackles. Downey: Bikini Top, Sliders, IFS Truss & Idle Arm Brace. Marlin Crawler Rear bumper. Budbuilt: Crossmember & rear shock mounts. 31x10.5's.

05-14-2008, 07:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
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05-14-2008, 08:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 7,434	Definitely swap them for some manual hubs. Aisin hubs are the best but if you're not too hard core Warn hubs will work too. http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/autohub/ I'm pulling off my Warn hubs now to replace with Aisin hubs so I'll sell you a set cheap. __________________ Dale "America is in a hole and it's getting deeper every day. We import 70% of our oil at a cost of $700 billion a year - four times the annual cost of the Iraq war." T. Boone Pickens Check out the plan: http://www.pickensplan.com/index.php and http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Pages/default.aspx

05-14-2008, 12:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
devldogs55 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Idaho/Eastern WA Posts: 178	I've got a set of Warn Premiums on my truck like Dales - I love 'em. They're super easy to install (though I didn't need the spline kit for your Auto hubs). Took me about 30 minutes per side to install - most of the time was taking the tires off and applying gasket to them. __________________ 1990 Yota T4R SR5 3.0 V6 5 speed manual 170,000 miles OME shocks and 901 coils Warn Premium Hubs SDORI BJ Spacers 4.56 gears Rear TRD E-locker 31x10.5 BFGs Cherry Bomb Vortex + 2.25"

05-14-2008, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	Wow those replys were pretty quick. That sounds good, how cheap are you willing to sell?

05-14-2008, 04:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
leebee Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: marlbank, canada Posts: 1,593	wabfab has them as well. lee __________________ 93 sr5 v6 auto, 4x4, manual hubs, dayton timberline mt's 31 10.5 15's. http://tlca.org # 15118 www.of4wd.com # 2270 www.phoenixrising.ca

05-15-2008, 07:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	This is probably a dumb question...Well the motor in my other truck just crapped out on me this morning, which leaves me with 2 front yard ornaments lol. Is it even possible to drive my 4runner without the locking hubs? Since the wheel rotates without them. I'm just not sure if the axle would slide out or not.

05-15-2008, 07:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
mt_goat Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State Posts: 7,434	I wouldn't do that, you might screw up the splines on the axle. Plus wouldn't you get dirt into the CV or bearings? __________________ Dale "America is in a hole and it's getting deeper every day. We import 70% of our oil at a cost of $700 billion a year - four times the annual cost of the Iraq war." T. Boone Pickens Check out the plan: http://www.pickensplan.com/index.php and http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Pages/default.aspx Last edited by mt_goat : 05-15-2008 at 07:21 AM.

05-15-2008, 07:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	Maybe if I strip the gears out of the hubs and bolted it back up? Wouldn't that be the same as manual locking hubs with them unlocked? I don't think i'm gonna risk it driving an hour to school with no hub

05-15-2008, 08:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	Which explains why there is a big washer that screws onto the axle...I just thought about that

05-15-2008, 08:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
1stgen4gunner Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 284	do yourself a favor, ditch the auto locking hubs, and get manual locking hubs. __________________ -Dave NOBOMBA '08 "It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated." A Man Without His Yota- PM me if you have anything for sale 2003 KTM SX125, V-Force Reeds, FMF Pipe an Silencer, Pro Taper Bars, Factory Connection Suspension, It is a Factory Bike Right out of the Box Thook- Sure....I'll be your brother. Thook is my brother, and all because of a methane driven, turbo charged outhouse.

05-15-2008, 09:26 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bassmastry101 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 25	Maybe the motor on my other truck is damaged beyond my budget allows, because my aunt is anxious to get rid of her 96 tacoma 2wd ex cab. Anyways, I appreciate all advice that was given, looking forward to getting some manual hubs soon! As long as my hubs don't mess up or my cv breaks, i'm fine with anykind. It's no rock crawling kinda truck, so I won't be doing anything harsh to break them.

05-15-2008, 09:26 AM	#19 (permalink)
devldogs55 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Idaho/Eastern WA Posts: 178	The used Aisins for 60 bucks are pretty much just taken right off a vehicle - which is fine, and it's a good price. I'm the kinda guy who has to either have new or rebuilt stuff on things like this. I almost purchased a set of rebuilt Aisins but they run $250 from WABFAB. They're great hubs and look and function like brand spankin new - but I ended up spending $140 on my brand new Warn Hubs. Nothin wrong with used though. __________________ 1990 Yota T4R SR5 3.0 V6 5 speed manual 170,000 miles OME shocks and 901 coils Warn Premium Hubs SDORI BJ Spacers 4.56 gears Rear TRD E-locker 31x10.5 BFGs Cherry Bomb Vortex + 2.25" Last edited by devldogs55 : 05-15-2008 at 03:08 PM.