Bejiita

This is a kind of dumb question, I got my fornt lift on for about 3 1/2 inches of lift and it threw my camber off a little and I put in the CV Axles as well, now when I drive down the road the front end hops extremely bad. Is this my camber being off or are my axles binding up? I will get some pics soon so I can show you the camber and axle angles. The camber only looks to be toed in a few degrees and I cant imagine that it would cause it to violently bounce but the angle of the axles does not seem very extreme either.

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elripster

Did you lift the front 3.5" without aligning it? If so, camber and toe are way out. I mean waaaayyyyy out. If you did align it, post up some pics, it will help in the diagnosis.

Frank

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Bejiita

Well I got a T-Bar cranked and got it aligned then I just did BJ Spacers and that threw it out of whack

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Jay351

lifting 3 1/2 inches with stock ifs withouth dropping the diff is going to cause problems..

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AxleIke

describe hops?

Does it actually bounce the truck?

This does not sound good, but more diagnosis is needed.

However, if your axles are binding, you should destroy them pretty quickly, which would be pretty easy to see.

We'll see, but i'd imagine you would have seen evidence already of blown axles if it was the axles binding up.

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Bejiita

Well bounces is more like it, my friend had a 6 inch lift on his bronco and the tires were way out of alignment and my truck is doing the same thing just not AS violent so I am hoping its just alignment but I dont want to pay 50 dollars and have it not be that. Tomorrow I will jack the front and support the A-Arms and see if it goes away.

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elripster

You need to align your front end badly, that is the cause. It's not the a-arm angle that is doing this, it's the fact that the tires are way toed in. I suggest you align it yourself before you take it in. It's an easy way to rule out the problem and you might find it's actually pretty easy and can save you a lot of money.

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Frank

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Red3.slow

i could also be hopping because he has his t- bars cranked so much.

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elripster

This is also possible. 3.5" of torsion bar cranking and bj spacers is a lot. Typically, 1.5", the lift of the spacer, is the most recommended for long CV boot life.

The best way to see what is doing what as far as your ride quality is to fix the first smoking gun, the alignment.

If the truck is set such that the upper control arm is resting on or very near its bumpstop, you ride quality will be terrible period.

Frank

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drew303

do a redneck driveway alignment, bring the torsions down to 1/2" above stock and you'll be way better off.

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89silverpu

Do you have 3.5 inches with the torsion bar on top of that or 3.5 inches combined lift between the two?

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Bejiita

3.5 with both, its like 3 or so. I dont really know, the story goes; I bought the truck with saggy ass syndrome and bought Eibach coil springs, website says 1.5'' lift depending on application. So I had a shop install them and said adjust the T-Bars to be close. Then I did 1.5'' BJ Spacers so anywhere around 3'' is my guess. And 2'' Spacers for the rear coils.

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Bejiita

And to calrify, I have not touched the T-Bars since they were adjusted with springs, just the BJ spacers

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elripster

Well, you need to align the truck. Adding spacers throws your alignment way way out.

Is your upper control arm resting on the upper bumpstop? Also, are you using stock upper bumpstops or low profile?

Frank

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AxleIke

Well, get an alignment, see if it fixes it.

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anthony1

you did get longer shocks for the front right?
if not, it's going to do that.

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Bejiita

Yeah longer shocks all around, not resting on bumpstops, they are stock I didnt shim them because I did not see the need, I am trying to get articulation out of my vehcile so I didnt want to hinder it.

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elripster

Right on about the upper stops, no need to shim the stock ones.

Well I think we have nailed your problem. You need an alignment. I would again suggest you attempt to do it yourself before taking it in.

Frank

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Bejiita

Alright well I read your thing about alignment and didnt get the cam bolt, you literally just turn them and it turns the A-Arm?

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elripster

Yes.

Well they shift the a-arm side to side. Play with them a bit and you'll see how they effect the suspension geometry.

Now is a great opportunity to see how these adjustments affect your suspension. Your alignment is already out so see how close you can get it.

In a nutshell: Tires vertical, lower a-arms biased forwards (rear cams outwards more than the front cams), front tires parallel to the rear or ever so slightly toed in that order.

Frank

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Bejiita

So I messed with cam bolt or whatever and see how they pivot the A-Arm, but I dont get it...call me dumb....but I turned them around and around and around and didn't figure it out....I lowered my T-Bars about .5'' and it helped a little...

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elripster

Did you notice that each a-arm has two cam bolts? When you rotate the rearward one, the rear side of the lower a-arm moves in and out. Likely wise when the front cam bolt is turned, that forward side of the lower control arm moves in and out.

If you move them together, ie, both turned with the bolts biased outwards, you have moved the a-arm out as far as it can go. Since the upper arm did not move outwards, and the lower arm did, you have caused the tire to lean inwards, or camber in.

However, you want to do more than just move both cam bolts until the tire is vertical. You want your spindles to lean rearwards kind of like the forks of a motorcycle do. So, how might you accomplish this you ask? Well you need that lower control arm to rotate forwards. That is done by turning the front cam bolt inward more than the rear. By pulling the front side of the a-arm inwards, you are rotating it in the correct direction.

So, do this.

1) Set your ride height where you like it. It sounds like you know how to adjust the torsion bars. Use a tape measure and get it dead on. Remember to roll the truck back and forth between adjustments.

2)Rotate the rear lower a-arm cam bolt all the way out. Rotate the front one half way out. This should put the tires close to vertical.

3) Set the toe with a string like shown or at this point, even by eye if you want. Just align the front tires to the rear tires. That string should be the same distance from each side of the rear tire, again use the tape measure.

At this point, your alignment is pretty close.

Re-check the ride height because poorly aligned suspension can bind and change it some when it is not binding.

Put a square next to the wheels. If they are not vertical, adjust them on the ground rolling the truck back and forth, make both wheels vertical.

Get your string and align the front tires so they are in line with the rear tires. Again, roll the truck back and forth making sure the steering wheel is centered.

Your truck is now aligned.

You'll find in the future that if you knock it out of alignment wheeling, it takes little time to quickly check which adjustment is out and fix it. It's the first time after installing a lift that takes a while to do.

Frank

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Bejiita

Alrighty thanks I thought thats what I needed to do. I will tinker with it til I can figure it out thanks so much,

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