advise how to proper lift this 86 truck

defiant0116 · 12-10-2008, 07:34 PM

Basically, I have a 86 Toy pickup sr5. The first thing I want to do is get rid of the ifs and go with a 85 solid axle. I want to custom lift this truck by avoiding the add on kits you now day see here and there online. Need tips, how to and advise from the Pro....recently lost my uncle who knows everything so now I'm turning to you gals and guys. I want a custom lift this truck roughly about 11inches to remember my uncle...please advise on what to do and not what to do. thank you for your cooperation. Willing to learn from scratch.

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Jay351 · 12-10-2008, 07:48 PM

Okay, since you know what you want and want just that.
Here is a way to do it:

Stay with IFS...

-Start with a 4-5" bracket (suspension) lift (new rear leaf springs please, no blocks).
-Then add a 1.5" balljoint spacer up front, and a longer rear shackle (3" longer then stock for 1.5" of rear lift)
- Then throw on a 3" body lift.

In total, you will have about 9-10" of lift over stock, plus the tires (36's would be nice, don't forget to re-gear once you get big tires!).

You could do a Solid axle swap:

This will allow you to get that 11" of lift if you really want it. Will probibly come out a little more expensive then the IFS route though...
And it requires welding new brackets to the frame for the suspension. Not for the new wrenchers, whereas the IFS stuff is pretty much bolt on... aside from a few things that need to be cut/trimmed..

scuba · 12-10-2008, 07:49 PM

First thing you want to do...

Search all over these forums....
and Pirate4x4.com....

There have been tons of these swaps done...

Sorry about your loss

littlecommando · 12-10-2008, 07:52 PM

Welcome to yotatech!

sorry to hear about your uncle

BAMF_CT2004 · 12-10-2008, 08:01 PM

sorry to hear about your uncle. but 11inches. (thats what she said) you do realize this is a toyota forum right?

89silverpu · 12-10-2008, 08:06 PM

Do you live in Hawaii or Florida?

sa51 · 12-10-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAMF_CT2004

sorry to hear about your uncle. but 11inches. (thats what she said) you do realize this is a toyota forum right?

i second that

defiant0116 · 12-14-2008, 04:35 PM

thanks for all you guys who respond back to my post. I will take the advise and search on this site for more information. I'm from NORCAL.
okay....guys....I just picked up a sas....now what should I do.....get the conversion kit on line or custom my own? what should I do for the rear???? my guess was get a set of chevy 1500 leaf spring with 3" block and 3 or 6in shackles......what can i do to my the front and rear even with this plan or if you guys have a plan b for me.....please advise.

Jay351 · 12-15-2008, 09:49 AM

Head over to trail-gear.com or marlincrawler.com You can buy complete kits that make things MUCH easier

Don't run blocks!!

92yotaman · 12-15-2008, 10:06 AM

x2 Don't run blocks! and 11in is a lot but get buy the SAS kit, some leafs and some shackles from marlin, and go to town.

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:22 PM

thank brother...I just picked up a 85 sas......is it better to buy a kit for the frontend or custom your own......I know what I want for the rear already....no blocks......chevy 1500 1/2 rear leaf springs with hmmm 6 inch rear shackles.....the front is what I'm stuck on and lost.....give me advise if i'm wrong.....new to this hobby....

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 04:27 PM

Is this a wheeler or a DD...I don't think 1/2 chevy leafs will be your friend.

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:30 PM

thank you buddy....I will take all your advise and go from there.....just picked up a sas and will go to town soon....once its down I will post my pictures...

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 04:31 PM

good luck!

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:31 PM

thanks buddy

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:35 PM

so what kind of rear leaf spring to do you recommend.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91Toyota

Is this a wheeler or a DD...I don't think 1/2 chevy leafs will be your friend.

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 04:35 PM

honestly it depends on what your doing. Do you want a DD with really weak (flexy) springs...or do you want it to be stiff and have no body roll? If it was me and I just wanted to jack it up, I'd probably look for some chevy leafs that were for a lifted truck. Then again, I really don't know.

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:45 PM

honestly....I do not know what I am doing because I'm new into this hobby.....I was into Honda's and go tired of getting harass by cops...go rid of it and pick this sexy girl up.....what I want is to be able to clear the harsh rubicon trail and creek runs.....not too flexy.....just enought to have fun hunting, going on trail, creek runs and look good.....I do appreciate you for giving me advise on what not do to.....I know earlier on this post I want a 11 inch lift and people think I'm retarded but that's what uncle had before he committed suicide....now all I want is sometime good to remember him off....if he was still alive, I would not be here asking dumb questions.....sorry for the long story....thanks again......

defiant0116 · 12-15-2008, 04:52 PM

let me ask you this dumb question...why no blocks??? is because of flex or what????

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

Okay, since you know what you want and want just that.
Here is a way to do it:

Stay with IFS...

-Start with a 4-5" bracket (suspension) lift (new rear leaf springs please, no blocks).
-Then add a 1.5" balljoint spacer up front, and a longer rear shackle (3" longer then stock for 1.5" of rear lift)
- Then throw on a 3" body lift.

In total, you will have about 9-10" of lift over stock, plus the tires (36's would be nice, don't forget to re-gear once you get big tires!).

You could do a Solid axle swap:

This will allow you to get that 11" of lift if you really want it. Will probibly come out a little more expensive then the IFS route though...
And it requires welding new brackets to the frame for the suspension. Not for the new wrenchers, whereas the IFS stuff is pretty much bolt on... aside from a few things that need to be cut/trimmed..

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defiant0116

honestly....I do not know what I am doing because I'm new into this hobby.....I was into Honda's and go tired of getting harass by cops...go rid of it and pick this sexy girl up.....what I want is to be able to clear the harsh rubicon trail and creek runs.....not too flexy.....just enought to have fun hunting, going on trail, creek runs and look good.....I do appreciate you for giving me advise on what not do to.....I know earlier on this post I want a 11 inch lift and people think I'm retarded but that's what uncle had before he committed suicide....now all I want is sometime good to remember him off....if he was still alive, I would not be here asking dumb questions.....sorry for the long story....thanks again......

Thats awful...and sorry for your loss.

I'm glad to help, but just got my first 4x4 toyota a couple weeks ago...and am researching this kind of stuff too.

Anyway, why you don't use blocks is because of extreme axle wrap. It puts A LOT of stress on your axle and leafs. We don't suggest using it...unless it is like a 1" block. I personally have two 4" blocks on the rear of my truck and am wanting to get rid of them ASAP! lol

Jay351 · 12-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Running blocks (over 1") starts to create alot of lateral force. If you watch the axle of a truck running big blocks on a hard start, you can watch the whole axle rotate. This is axlewrap, and this can break things, like your leaf springs and the blocks themselves.

They offer nothing but height..Do it right the first time.

Buy a front and rear kit. You can get about 6-7" from a matching 5" lift Sas kit. Then add a 3" body lift, you will be close to your 11" goal.

But to be honest, your truck would probiblyperform better if it was a little lower. You are gonna have one high COG when its done...

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

Running blocks (over 1") starts to create alot of lateral force. If you watch the axle of a truck running big blocks on a hard start, you can watch the whole axle rotate. This is axlewrap, and this can break things, like your leaf springs and the blocks themselves.

They offer nothing but height..Do it right the first time.

Buy a front and rear kit. You can get about 6-7" from a matching 5" lift Sas kit. Then add a 3" body lift, you will be close to your 11" goal.

But to be honest, your truck would probiblyperform better if it was a little lower. You are gonna have one high COG when its done...

thats why 2wd's are better

Jay351 · 12-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Haha

You guys use blocks to go lower..... thats even gheyer!

algranger · 12-15-2008, 10:55 PM

11 inches isnt practical for offroad its actually dangerous. and the only reason to do a sas would be to enhance offroad ability, therefore i think you should do what jay said and stick with ifs. drop bracket, bj spacers, body lift.
edit: oh and even if you stick with ifs still dont do blocks

91Toyota · 12-15-2008, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay351

Haha

You guys use blocks to go lower..... thats even gheyer!

lol...i wouldn't dare lower my truck! I'm a redneck through and through

12-10-2008, 07:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Okay, since you know what you want and want just that. Here is a way to do it: Stay with IFS... -Start with a 4-5" bracket (suspension) lift (new rear leaf springs please, no blocks). -Then add a 1.5" balljoint spacer up front, and a longer rear shackle (3" longer then stock for 1.5" of rear lift) - Then throw on a 3" body lift. In total, you will have about 9-10" of lift over stock, plus the tires (36's would be nice, don't forget to re-gear once you get big tires!). You could do a Solid axle swap: This will allow you to get that 11" of lift if you really want it. Will probibly come out a little more expensive then the IFS route though... And it requires welding new brackets to the frame for the suspension. Not for the new wrenchers, whereas the IFS stuff is pretty much bolt on... aside from a few things that need to be cut/trimmed.. __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

12-10-2008, 07:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
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12-14-2008, 04:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
defiant0116 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	thanks for all you guys who respond back to my post. I will take the advise and search on this site for more information. I'm from NORCAL. okay....guys....I just picked up a sas....now what should I do.....get the conversion kit on line or custom my own? what should I do for the rear???? my guess was get a set of chevy 1500 leaf spring with 3" block and 3 or 6in shackles......what can i do to my the front and rear even with this plan or if you guys have a plan b for me.....please advise. Last edited by defiant0116; 12-14-2008 at 04:46 PM.

12-15-2008, 09:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Head over to trail-gear.com or marlincrawler.com You can buy complete kits that make things MUCH easier Don't run blocks!! __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

12-15-2008, 10:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
92yotaman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: boone, nc Posts: 66	x2 Don't run blocks! and 11in is a lot but get buy the SAS kit, some leafs and some shackles from marlin, and go to town.

12-15-2008, 04:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
defiant0116 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	thank brother...I just picked up a 85 sas......is it better to buy a kit for the frontend or custom your own......I know what I want for the rear already....no blocks......chevy 1500 1/2 rear leaf springs with hmmm 6 inch rear shackles.....the front is what I'm stuck on and lost.....give me advise if i'm wrong.....new to this hobby....

12-15-2008, 04:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
defiant0116 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	thank you buddy....I will take all your advise and go from there.....just picked up a sas and will go to town soon....once its down I will post my pictures...

12-15-2008, 04:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
defiant0116 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	thanks buddy Last edited by defiant0116; 12-15-2008 at 04:34 PM.

12-15-2008, 04:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
defiant0116 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 28	honestly....I do not know what I am doing because I'm new into this hobby.....I was into Honda's and go tired of getting harass by cops...go rid of it and pick this sexy girl up.....what I want is to be able to clear the harsh rubicon trail and creek runs.....not too flexy.....just enought to have fun hunting, going on trail, creek runs and look good.....I do appreciate you for giving me advise on what not do to.....I know earlier on this post I want a 11 inch lift and people think I'm retarded but that's what uncle had before he committed suicide....now all I want is sometime good to remember him off....if he was still alive, I would not be here asking dumb questions.....sorry for the long story....thanks again......

12-15-2008, 10:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Running blocks (over 1") starts to create alot of lateral force. If you watch the axle of a truck running big blocks on a hard start, you can watch the whole axle rotate. This is axlewrap, and this can break things, like your leaf springs and the blocks themselves. They offer nothing but height..Do it right the first time. Buy a front and rear kit. You can get about 6-7" from a matching 5" lift Sas kit. Then add a 3" body lift, you will be close to your 11" goal. But to be honest, your truck would probiblyperform better if it was a little lower. You are gonna have one high COG when its done... __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

12-15-2008, 10:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jay351 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,647	Haha You guys use blocks to go lower..... thats even gheyer! __________________ 91 Pickup - xcab - 5sp - 3.0 - SR5 - 4x4 - 250k \|2.25" catback w/ magnaflow cat + glasspack \| Weasy2k cams \| Aisin manual hubs \| Diff breather mod\| Marlin HD clutch \|3" BL \| es3000's \|2" AAL \|1.5" bj spacers \| ISR \| Alpine headunit \| 4" Infinity fronts/5" rears \| 4.88's \|Rear lockright \| 33x12.50" BFG M/T on 15x8" steelies \|Hella 500's \|4" reverse lights\| Grant GT \|idler arm brace\|hella E-codes\| Marlin armor \|SS IFS brace \| %100 Amsoil synthetic http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2572486

12-15-2008, 10:55 PM	#24 (permalink)
algranger Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Here in the PNW Posts: 3,264	11 inches isnt practical for offroad its actually dangerous. and the only reason to do a sas would be to enhance offroad ability, therefore i think you should do what jay said and stick with ifs. drop bracket, bj spacers, body lift. edit: oh and even if you stick with ifs still dont do blocks __________________ . . . I said lie, for me lying under a process tree . . . .

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