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91_4x4runner · 01-29-2006, 06:34 PM

Where can I purchase Aisin manual hubs besides eBay?

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runethechamp · 01-30-2006, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91_4runner

Where can I purchase Aisin manual hubs besides eBay?

I got a used set sitting around if you're interested. Send me a PM if you're interested.

91_4x4runner · 01-30-2006, 10:12 AM

pm sent

**Tofer** · 01-30-2006, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Feelgood

Here's a question: if after doing the swap to manual hubs (which I'm starting about10 minutes), if you leave the hubs free and pull your lever into 4-Lo, does that essentially give you 2-Lo?

yes... it works great.

91_4x4runner · 01-30-2006, 11:04 AM

What is a standard price for Aisin hubs new and used?

RustBucket · 01-30-2006, 11:18 AM

I think you can get 'em on eBay for like $40 for a pair.

Also, make sure the listing explicitly says TWO of them. My dad just recently got scammed by some fella who listed ONE manual hub but referred to them in the plural all through the listing. At the bottom it was written in mouse-print that the bidding was for one hub, and the price would be doubled for two.

Dr.Feelgood · 01-30-2006, 11:28 AM

91: Someone mentioned that Yotayard has them for $40+shipping as well.

Tofer: yeah, I was playing around this morning in 2Lo. kinda cool to have that 'feature' like the old trucks used to.

**Tofer** · 01-30-2006, 12:55 PM

i usually dont lock my hubs until its needed.. i like to see how far i can get down the trail wiht only using 2wd, but low range so i have the power/torque.

Dr.Feelgood · 01-30-2006, 05:43 PM

I generally use it (4wd) here in Upstate NY in the snow and ice, unless I'm out playing. Fortunately we've had a run of warm weather with hardly any snow.

leebee · 01-30-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToferUOP

i usually dont lock my hubs until its needed.. i like to see how far i can get down the trail wiht only using 2wd, but low range so i have the power/torque.

just be careful with the amount of skinny pedal you apply, too much too often and your fan will cause you some grief. dont ask how i know this.

lee

photomike72 · 01-30-2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Feelgood

91: Someone mentioned that Yotayard has them for $40+shipping as well.

Tofer: yeah, I was playing around this morning in 2Lo. kinda cool to have that 'feature' like the old trucks used to.

Is there a web link for them? I have Aisin hubs but they have never really worked properly on my 4Runner. Splines match 100%.

Is it www.yotayard.com? I'm a 'tard.

They wont disengage fully. only about last 3/32" of half-shaft is still engaged. I've rebuilt them twice and they still dont fully release. I'm thinking that trying a new set may fix the problem. I asked all the local parts counters and they dont sell the internal parts independently. only as a total unit. I have a feeling that it's a worn main spring causin it to be elongated enough to not disengage the hub.

This route may be much cheaper than $75/hour shop rate.

Thanks,
Mike

Dr.Feelgood · 01-31-2006, 07:39 AM

Yup, that's the Yotayard Mike.

runethechamp · 01-31-2006, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photomike72

Is there a web link for them? I have Aisin hubs but they have never really worked properly on my 4Runner. Splines match 100%.

Is it www.yotayard.com? I'm a 'tard.

They wont disengage fully. only about last 3/32" of half-shaft is still engaged. I've rebuilt them twice and they still dont fully release. I'm thinking that trying a new set may fix the problem. I asked all the local parts counters and they dont sell the internal parts independently. only as a total unit. I have a feeling that it's a worn main spring causin it to be elongated enough to not disengage the hub.

This route may be much cheaper than $75/hour shop rate.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike, check out this article. http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/aisin/ It explains a little bit about the different hubs that Aisin made and the fact that the Toyota IFS hubs has a deeper backspacing than most other Aisin hubs. Maybe that's your problem?

photomike72 · 01-31-2006, 08:14 AM

I dont remember the spline count on my truck, but I do know that the inner and outers fit exactly with no gaps or non-engaged splines, so it seemed 100%. I hope it's not as obvious as that.

I may order another set anyway. if it fixes the problem then I'm good to go. if it doesnt I'm only out the hubs+my labor.

I'll call these guys and see what they have.

Thanks for the replies.

Mike

leebee · 01-31-2006, 04:45 PM

if you have too much grease inside the hubs it will interfere with the proper lock/unlock function. try taking the covers off and eyeballing the amount of grease, if it looks really full, scoop some out. youre only out time and effort and it might be the trick.

lee

photomike72 · 01-31-2006, 04:51 PM

Lee,

Thanks for the heads up. I believe I went pretty sparingly on the grease. I'll pop the covers and check it out.

Mike

photomike72 · 02-02-2006, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runethechamp

Mike, check out this article. http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/aisin/ It explains a little bit about the different hubs that Aisin made and the fact that the Toyota IFS hubs has a deeper backspacing than most other Aisin hubs. Maybe that's your problem?

Lee,

Wouldnt the spline count be the key? If I read the article correctly one is shorter/longer than the other one (backspacing) but dont they have differnt spline counts i.e. 26 and 30? If'n I had one that was too long/short the splines wouldnt mate 100%?

I want to eliminate all of the reasons I know it wont work before I either rebuild again or finally give up and go to the mechaninc with it. I'd hate to get it over there and hear something like "hey these arent even the right hubs for this thing" 2.5 hours into their dime.

Mike

runethechamp · 02-02-2006, 03:16 PM

Quote:

The 26-spline (IFS) Toyota hub has a deeper backspacing between the mounting flange and the inner hub than the other hubs, in order to clear the spindle nuts.

If I read the article correctly, the inner hubs are interchangeable between the outer hubs. Maybe, and I'm just suggesting something here, you got the hub body from a 30 spline Toyota SA hub combined with the 26 spline inner hub. I can measure the bacspacing/depth of my extra hubs if that's any help for you this weekend.

photomike72 · 02-02-2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by runethechamp

If I read the article correctly, the inner hubs are interchangeable between the outer hubs. Maybe, and I'm just suggesting something here, you got the hub body from a 30 spline Toyota SA hub combined with the 26 spline inner hub. I can measure the bacspacing/depth of my extra hubs if that's any help for you this weekend.

If it's not too much trouble that may help quite a bit. I called Yotayard and they were going to measure the 2 different hubs and give me a call back. nothing yet.

I'm having my OME bars and coils installed this week and want to get my hubs situation straightened out as soon as I can.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

**DeathCougar** · 02-03-2006, 12:06 AM

If it helps at all, you cannot use IFS hubs on Straightaxles, and vise versa. Easiest way to tell? The rotating dial on IFS hubs is flush, and red. The rotating dial on straightaxle hubs curves out a bit, and is either gold or silver.

runethechamp · 02-04-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by photomike72

If it's not too much trouble that may help quite a bit. I called Yotayard and they were going to measure the 2 different hubs and give me a call back. nothing yet.

I'm having my OME bars and coils installed this week and want to get my hubs situation straightened out as soon as I can.

Thanks for the help.

Mike

This is what I measured:

Total hub housing depth = 45mm
Backspacing to splined part of inner hub = 10mm

photomike72 · 02-04-2006, 11:06 PM

So if the hubs that I have has a dial that has a raised portion, I have the wrong ones?

Are these the SAS hubs? Is that why they've really never worked right?

I ordered a set of IFS hubs from YotaYard so they should be here this week. Just wanted more clarification since I wont have these hubs off to measure anytime before midweek.

I painted the center caps red when I rebuilt them. I think the dials were silver when I stripped them down to rebuild when I first got them.

Mike

**DeathCougar** · 02-05-2006, 12:59 AM

yea, those are SAS hubs. Someone messed up in selling them to you heh.

Dr.Feelgood · 02-05-2006, 06:20 AM

How could those have fit on an IFS if they are SFA hubs? Doesn't the IFS have more splines (30 or 31) and the SFA have (26?)?

photomike72 · 02-05-2006, 07:40 AM

DK as I counted the splines when I put them on and in consecutive removals to check spring alignment. I remember not ever forcing these on. They fit on my truck like a glove.

Death Cougar, thanks for the little tidbit about the dial curving out part, I've never heard that referred to in countless ADD to manual threads and I had a feeling that I did have the wrong hubs. The differences are usually referred to in the # of splines. Thanks for helping me fix my problem.

As soon as I get the new ones in I'll shoot some pics of the inners on both as a comparison.

Thanks a ton guys!

Mike

01-30-2006, 10:12 AM	#28 (permalink)
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01-30-2006, 11:04 AM	#30 (permalink)
91_4x4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,078	What is a standard price for Aisin hubs new and used? __________________ ~Eric 1991 4Runner 3.0L 4x4 Black, 31" Michelin M/S tires, OME-901's 1992 Lexus SC400 4.0 V8, Green with Tan interior (donor) (PM me for parts) Near Future: FI 1UZ swap. (June) Far Future mods: F/R Lockers, SAS, 35's. UZswap.com - A discussion forum dedicated specifically to swapping UZ engines into Toyota trucks and 4Runners

01-30-2006, 11:18 AM	#31 (permalink)
RustBucket Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 977	I think you can get 'em on eBay for like $40 for a pair. Also, make sure the listing explicitly says TWO of them. My dad just recently got scammed by some fella who listed ONE manual hub but referred to them in the plural all through the listing. At the bottom it was written in mouse-print that the bidding was for one hub, and the price would be doubled for two. __________________ Rust-Free '88 Runner. Stay-at-home truck.

01-30-2006, 11:28 AM	#32 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	91: Someone mentioned that Yotayard has them for $40+shipping as well. Tofer: yeah, I was playing around this morning in 2Lo. kinda cool to have that 'feature' like the old trucks used to. __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

01-30-2006, 12:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,905	i usually dont lock my hubs until its needed.. i like to see how far i can get down the trail wiht only using 2wd, but low range so i have the power/torque. __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

01-30-2006, 05:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	I generally use it (4wd) here in Upstate NY in the snow and ice, unless I'm out playing. Fortunately we've had a run of warm weather with hardly any snow. __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

01-31-2006, 07:39 AM	#37 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	Yup, that's the Yotayard Mike. __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

01-31-2006, 08:14 AM	#39 (permalink)
photomike72 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 219	I dont remember the spline count on my truck, but I do know that the inner and outers fit exactly with no gaps or non-engaged splines, so it seemed 100%. I hope it's not as obvious as that. I may order another set anyway. if it fixes the problem then I'm good to go. if it doesnt I'm only out the hubs+my labor. I'll call these guys and see what they have. Thanks for the replies. Mike __________________ 1994 4Runner SR5 V6, 2nd HG, Downey headers and custom crossover, Aisin manual hubs, full OME suspension, Optima Red Top, Carsound hi-flow cat, Magnaflow with 2 1/4" pipe, K&N drop-in, Yakima rack, F/R diff breathers, BF Goodrich A/T's, ARB Bull Bar, "Highway Blaster" horns, more to come......

01-31-2006, 04:45 PM	#40 (permalink)
leebee Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: marlbank, canada Posts: 2,450	if you have too much grease inside the hubs it will interfere with the proper lock/unlock function. try taking the covers off and eyeballing the amount of grease, if it looks really full, scoop some out. youre only out time and effort and it might be the trick. lee __________________ 93 sr5 v6 auto, 4x4 Photos http://s866.photobucket.com/albums/a...albumview=grid there are quite some attractive ladies on here with Toys. (compliments of ironmike) ifsc 3(.0) http://tlca.org www.of4wd.com www.sontt.com

01-31-2006, 04:51 PM	#41 (permalink)
photomike72 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 219	Lee, Thanks for the heads up. I believe I went pretty sparingly on the grease. I'll pop the covers and check it out. Mike __________________ 1994 4Runner SR5 V6, 2nd HG, Downey headers and custom crossover, Aisin manual hubs, full OME suspension, Optima Red Top, Carsound hi-flow cat, Magnaflow with 2 1/4" pipe, K&N drop-in, Yakima rack, F/R diff breathers, BF Goodrich A/T's, ARB Bull Bar, "Highway Blaster" horns, more to come......

02-04-2006, 11:06 PM	#47 (permalink)
photomike72 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 219	So if the hubs that I have has a dial that has a raised portion, I have the wrong ones? Are these the SAS hubs? Is that why they've really never worked right? I ordered a set of IFS hubs from YotaYard so they should be here this week. Just wanted more clarification since I wont have these hubs off to measure anytime before midweek. I painted the center caps red when I rebuilt them. I think the dials were silver when I stripped them down to rebuild when I first got them. Mike __________________ 1994 4Runner SR5 V6, 2nd HG, Downey headers and custom crossover, Aisin manual hubs, full OME suspension, Optima Red Top, Carsound hi-flow cat, Magnaflow with 2 1/4" pipe, K&N drop-in, Yakima rack, F/R diff breathers, BF Goodrich A/T's, ARB Bull Bar, "Highway Blaster" horns, more to come......

02-05-2006, 06:20 AM	#49 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	How could those have fit on an IFS if they are SFA hubs? Doesn't the IFS have more splines (30 or 31) and the SFA have (26?)? __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

02-05-2006, 07:40 AM	#50 (permalink)
photomike72 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 219	DK as I counted the splines when I put them on and in consecutive removals to check spring alignment. I remember not ever forcing these on. They fit on my truck like a glove. Death Cougar, thanks for the little tidbit about the dial curving out part, I've never heard that referred to in countless ADD to manual threads and I had a feeling that I did have the wrong hubs. The differences are usually referred to in the # of splines. Thanks for helping me fix my problem. As soon as I get the new ones in I'll shoot some pics of the inners on both as a comparison. Thanks a ton guys! Mike __________________ 1994 4Runner SR5 V6, 2nd HG, Downey headers and custom crossover, Aisin manual hubs, full OME suspension, Optima Red Top, Carsound hi-flow cat, Magnaflow with 2 1/4" pipe, K&N drop-in, Yakima rack, F/R diff breathers, BF Goodrich A/T's, ARB Bull Bar, "Highway Blaster" horns, more to come......

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