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Old 07-26-2008, 03:11 PM
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89 3VZE igniter/efi relay problem/question

My 89 3VZE wouldn't start today. I started the usual diagnostics... air/fuel/spark.

No spark. Cleaned up the distributor contacts and rotor. Still no spark. Worked my way down continuity problems etc to the coil (there were no broken spark plug wires blah blah blah and I checked the pickups in the distributor).

This thread has been very helpful so far:

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/n...89-95-a-10543/

Tech Tip: No Spark and/or No Injector Pulse on Toyota

Application: 1989-1995 Toyota Pickup & 4-Runner with 3VZE Engine.

Symptom: No Start.

Theory: The Ignition system on this engine uses a Distributor with three
Pick-up Coils inside and an external Igniter and Coil. The ECM uses the
signals generated by the three Pick-ups to control the Igniter, which
controls the negative side of the Coil for spark. The Igniter also sends a
signal back to the ECM for injector pulse.

The Test: The first place to start is to check the Pick-ups inside the
Distributor. If any of them are defective, nothing else is going to work,
not even the tap-test we're going to do later. The first step is to test
resistance on each of the three Pick-ups. You'll want to check them with
the harness unplugged from the Distributor. Identify the terminals on the
Distributor connector using the wire colors on the harness side.

Terminal-1: White..NE signal
Terminal-2: Red..G1 signal
Terminal-3: Black..G2 signal
Terminal-4: Green..G- signal

Between G- and G1, it should be 125 & 200 ohms. Between G- and G2, it
should also be 125 to 200 ohms. Between G- and NE, it should 155 to 250
ohms. All of these resistance specs are at ambient temperature. If checked
on a hot engine, the tolerances go up about 30 ohms. If any one Pick-up
fails the test, it needs to be replaced before any further testing. If all
three Pick-ups pass, we need to do a "tap-test" at the Igniter. Make sure
the connector is plugged back in at the Distributor. Go to the Igniter,
which should be mounted at the Coil. On the Igniter connector, locate the
Black/Blue wire and probe into it with a test-light. With the key on, tap
the alligator clip of the test-light on battery negative and watch for
spark out of the Coil. If you get no response, try tapping the alligator
clip on battery positive, again watching for spark out of the Coil. If
there's no spark in either case, check for battery voltage at the positive
side of the Coil.
If that's okay, attach a second test-light from ground to
the negative side of the Coil and redo the tap-test at the Igniter. If the
test-light on Coil negative flashes during the tap-test, and you had
voltage on the positive side, you have a bad Coil. If the second test-light
did not flash on Coil negative, we need to check the remaining wires at the
Igniter. Make sure you have battery voltage on the Black/Red wire at the
Igniter with the key on. If that's okay, make sure you have continuity on
the Black/White wire between the Igniter connector and the negative side of
the Coil. Make sure the Igniter itself is grounded properly to its mounting
surface on the truck, no rust or corrosion. The last check will be to make
sure the Black wire does not show full continuity to ground. This wire goes
to the Tachometer, and if grounded somewhere in the harness, will keep the
Igniter from working. If all of these things pass inspection, chances are
good you have a defective Igniter. Be sure you check resistance on the Coil
to be sure we don't damage a new Igniter. The primary side should be 0.4 to
0.6 ohms. Secondary should be 10,200 to 13,800 ohms.

The Fix: Replace the defective parts determined by the above testing. Don't
forget, if you do end up replacing the Igniter, double check Coil
resistance to avoid damaging a new Igniter.
Stopped at the bold. No 12V+ at the positive side of the coil. I tried tracing wires to see where the voltage was supposed to be coming from, but I get lost in the harness...

So I got brave and decided to run V+ directly from the battery terminal to the postive side of the coil. I cranked it and voila, she started right up. She wouldn't turn off, but this was somewhat expected having bypassed alot. Disconnected and she stopped running.

Now... I noticed when I connected V+ to the positive side of the coil, the round EFI relay on the passenger side in the fuse block "clicked." How do I check to see if this relay is the problem or what is stopping it from being triggered? A bad connection to that relay? I am going to do some more poking with my multimeter but I am sure someone here has the answer...

I will post up what I find out as well.

I will note, that the truck has an aftermarket immobilizer installed from a dealer. It is only a couple years old... but am wondering if the immobilizer is causing the problem? Would the truck turn over with the key and just not fire if the immobilizer was active. This is the type with the little key "tampons" that you have to hold near the ignition when starting.

Thanks,

Joel
Old 07-26-2008, 03:23 PM
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Yeah... it was the damn immobilizer... fixed the problem with it and everything is okay in 3VZE land.
Old 07-26-2008, 03:32 PM
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i was going to say that lol you gotta love the yota stock alarms lol
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