86-95 Toyota crash-worthiness ? - Page 2

dycktim · 01-15-2009, 06:19 PM

Well, I figured this would be the best thread to post this. Mostly I am looking for advice on what to do now. This happened just after Christmas travelling to the inlaws. Very luckily both of us were untouched.

Big thaw after Xmas in Ontario. Heavy rain, fog and melting snow. Highway was ok, but wet and very limited visibility. Had my lights on, glasses, driving exactly at speed limit 100km/h.

Out of nowhere road is flooded with 6 inches of water in my lane. I hit brakes but begin hydroplaning. See minivan ahead to right who already spun into snowbank and is backing out. Just miss him. Trying to brake and steer hard left to fast lane where there is less water. Just past minivan is brand new 08 Tundra, already on its roof with the box sticking up in the air. I skidded right into it. Back corner of box through my windshield - inches away from the wifes head and about about a foot from mine. His truck spun around 180 when I hit it. He had hydroplaned into the snowbank and rolled on his own. Thankfully they had just got out and ran down the highway and were ok too. We had to get out real quick cause cars were just about rear ending us.

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So thats the story...Anyways -It's a solid truck. Saved our lives. But - I believe the wide tires (10.5) attributed hydroplaning on both of our trucks. The pizza cutter tires on the cars were still gettting around us on the flooded road.

Anyways, I guess we are just looking for some encouragement and advice. We really loved that truck...

1991 4Runner 3.0 V6 5 Speed, 278000 km, 2nd Owner, Original paint, very little rust, mechanically solid, very well maintained, new parts and upgrades, etc. etc. Always got complemented on this truck - even let off a ticket by a cop who had a 93 pickup.

Being a 91 I don't have collision insurance.

She still runs and I don't think theres any other damage than what you see. I really doubt the frame could be damaged. I haven't had much of a chance to inspect it. It's now at my folks house 3 hours away. The wife has a car and I use a company truck - this was my weekend warrior.

I dont need a truck right away and dont have much money, but miss my toy. I am now debating what to do:

1. Sell this as is - ive had lots of interest but everybody wants stuff for free. I was hoping at least $1000 - Its worth way more to me. Any takers?
2. Buy a truck with decent body try to piece together and fix? could this be done so the truck is safe? I've got a bit of fabricating experiance.
3. Buy a similar truck and use this one for parts. Part out what I dont need. Any takers for parts? Any good 3rd gen p/u or 2nd gen runners for sale in Ontario?
4. Bush truck - not very practical - but fun.

If anyone has any suggestions, advice or has a truck or parts for sale that could help me out, or is interested in any of my truck or parts let me know. I have been on this site daily since after the accident looking for similar fixes, body swaps, new trucks etc. Finally got the courage to show you my mess.

This forum has been very encouraging but also makes me wish I was a bit more mechanically inclined. Anyways, I still have time to learn.

Thanks everyone.
Tim

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87LVRunner · 01-16-2009, 08:59 AM

I have no pics as it happened years ago, but it was raining and as I was coming down hill the semi in the lane to the left of me jack-knifed into my lane, taking out my truck in the process. I literally 'knew' it was the end. Well, after I let go of the steering wheel, got out of the truck, and found the semi driver, I learned he had three broken ribs and I was fine. The Toyota was fixed $3000 later and I was on my way. I still hate semi trucks in the rain.

Windsor · 01-16-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex 400

Good luck getting that to crumple.

I've driven a few of those.

They're holy heck to get unstuck, though. trust me.

ee-pitboss · 01-31-2009, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt16

I have no idea what a Chevy C10 is, but if its from 1966, its going to suck for crash-safety. Seat-belts were a novelty and crumple zones weren't invented yet. Car safety really isn't about the size of the vehicle. The vehicle may stand up well, but you want it to crumple the right was in a crash.

From wannabe Top Gear.

YouTube Video

I'd like to say that I don't agree with this statement... Crumple zones and vehicle size anyway. I owned a 79 regal at one point and got creamed from behind at about 40 by a dodge ram...late 90's style, the steel regal didnt crumple at all...and because of the size of her I was like 9 feet away from the accident while sitting inside the car...The truck was totalled...the car, drove home that day with only a broken tail light. Same goes for the 79 Jeep J10 I had...cept that it was a school bus that was trying to make a U-turn and slammed into the side of my truck right at the door. I come out to find the bus's bumper laying on the ground, and a dent in my door...but that was it. Didn't even effect the window operation or the latch.
Crumple zones, air bags, door cages, 3 point belts, collapsing steering columns... I'll take an oldie made of steel any day of the week. I have no fear in my 71 beetle, even without any belts in her as I know that she'd cut right through a modern car being a thick steel body and a trussed frame.

Jay351 · 01-31-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dycktim

Well, I figured this would be the best thread to post this. Mostly I am looking for advice on what to do now. This happened just after Christmas travelling to the inlaws. Very luckily both of us were untouched.

Big thaw after Xmas in Ontario. Heavy rain, fog and melting snow. Highway was ok, but wet and very limited visibility. Had my lights on, glasses, driving exactly at speed limit 100km/h.

Out of nowhere road is flooded with 6 inches of water in my lane. I hit brakes but begin hydroplaning. See minivan ahead to right who already spun into snowbank and is backing out. Just miss him. Trying to brake and steer hard left to fast lane where there is less water. Just past minivan is brand new 08 Tundra, already on its roof with the box sticking up in the air. I skidded right into it. Back corner of box through my windshield - inches away from the wifes head and about about a foot from mine. His truck spun around 180 when I hit it. He had hydroplaned into the snowbank and rolled on his own. Thankfully they had just got out and ran down the highway and were ok too. We had to get out real quick cause cars were just about rear ending us.

Attachment 71943

Attachment 71944

Attachment 71945

So thats the story...Anyways -It's a solid truck. Saved our lives. But - I believe the wide tires (10.5) attributed hydroplaning on both of our trucks. The pizza cutter tires on the cars were still gettting around us on the flooded road.

Anyways, I guess we are just looking for some encouragement and advice. We really loved that truck...

1991 4Runner 3.0 V6 5 Speed, 278000 km, 2nd Owner, Original paint, very little rust, mechanically solid, very well maintained, new parts and upgrades, etc. etc. Always got complemented on this truck - even let off a ticket by a cop who had a 93 pickup.

Being a 91 I don't have collision insurance.

She still runs and I don't think theres any other damage than what you see. I really doubt the frame could be damaged. I haven't had much of a chance to inspect it. It's now at my folks house 3 hours away. The wife has a car and I use a company truck - this was my weekend warrior.

I dont need a truck right away and dont have much money, but miss my toy. I am now debating what to do:

1. Sell this as is - ive had lots of interest but everybody wants stuff for free. I was hoping at least $1000 - Its worth way more to me. Any takers?
2. Buy a truck with decent body try to piece together and fix? could this be done so the truck is safe? I've got a bit of fabricating experiance.
3. Buy a similar truck and use this one for parts. Part out what I dont need. Any takers for parts? Any good 3rd gen p/u or 2nd gen runners for sale in Ontario?
4. Bush truck - not very practical - but fun.

If anyone has any suggestions, advice or has a truck or parts for sale that could help me out, or is interested in any of my truck or parts let me know. I have been on this site daily since after the accident looking for similar fixes, body swaps, new trucks etc. Finally got the courage to show you my mess.

This forum has been very encouraging but also makes me wish I was a bit more mechanically inclined. Anyways, I still have time to learn.

Thanks everyone.
Tim

Wow! Thats quite the accident, looks like the wifey needed new undies after that one!

I bet its safe to say the only damage is the body.
I would find a 4runner with a blown 3.0 (easy to find, lots of people dont want to spend the money to rebuild them) and swap the body over. Any 90-95 body will bolt up!

You can re-build her

She saved your butt, now its time to pay her back.

dycktim · 02-09-2009, 07:12 PM

Thats a good idea and will definitly do somethin like that if I dont find a good home for the engine/chassis. At least a fun bush/trail rig. In the mean time I am parting out what I can off the body - If I can help another runner stay on the road thats good too.

SteveyCapri · 02-09-2009, 07:37 PM

If you want to get your kid a safe car get a 90's Buick Century, LeSabre, or Park Ave. I hit a stone wall going 35 in my Century. No damage. A woman hit my Park Ave going 45. Broke a tie rod and dented the fender pretty good. Her Cavalier was totaled. I drove the Century off of a 5 ft. ledge going 45 and had no problems. I've been running my current Century with a couple quarts of oil in it for 2 years as a test. I've never changed anything and never had problems.

eightnine · 02-09-2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dycktim

Well, I figured this would be the best thread to post this. Mostly I am looking for advice on what to do now. This happened just after Christmas travelling to the inlaws. Very luckily both of us were untouched.

Big thaw after Xmas in Ontario. Heavy rain, fog and melting snow. Highway was ok, but wet and very limited visibility. Had my lights on, glasses, driving exactly at speed limit 100km/h.

Out of nowhere road is flooded with 6 inches of water in my lane. I hit brakes but begin hydroplaning. See minivan ahead to right who already spun into snowbank and is backing out. Just miss him. Trying to brake and steer hard left to fast lane where there is less water. Just past minivan is brand new 08 Tundra, already on its roof with the box sticking up in the air. I skidded right into it. Back corner of box through my windshield - inches away from the wifes head and about about a foot from mine. His truck spun around 180 when I hit it. He had hydroplaned into the snowbank and rolled on his own. Thankfully they had just got out and ran down the highway and were ok too. We had to get out real quick cause cars were just about rear ending us.

Attachment 71943

Attachment 71944

Attachment 71945

So thats the story...Anyways -It's a solid truck. Saved our lives. But - I believe the wide tires (10.5) attributed hydroplaning on both of our trucks. The pizza cutter tires on the cars were still gettting around us on the flooded road.

Anyways, I guess we are just looking for some encouragement and advice. We really loved that truck...

1991 4Runner 3.0 V6 5 Speed, 278000 km, 2nd Owner, Original paint, very little rust, mechanically solid, very well maintained, new parts and upgrades, etc. etc. Always got complemented on this truck - even let off a ticket by a cop who had a 93 pickup.

Being a 91 I don't have collision insurance.

She still runs and I don't think theres any other damage than what you see. I really doubt the frame could be damaged. I haven't had much of a chance to inspect it. It's now at my folks house 3 hours away. The wife has a car and I use a company truck - this was my weekend warrior.

I dont need a truck right away and dont have much money, but miss my toy. I am now debating what to do:

1. Sell this as is - ive had lots of interest but everybody wants stuff for free. I was hoping at least $1000 - Its worth way more to me. Any takers?
2. Buy a truck with decent body try to piece together and fix? could this be done so the truck is safe? I've got a bit of fabricating experiance.
3. Buy a similar truck and use this one for parts. Part out what I dont need. Any takers for parts? Any good 3rd gen p/u or 2nd gen runners for sale in Ontario?
4. Bush truck - not very practical - but fun.

If anyone has any suggestions, advice or has a truck or parts for sale that could help me out, or is interested in any of my truck or parts let me know. I have been on this site daily since after the accident looking for similar fixes, body swaps, new trucks etc. Finally got the courage to show you my mess.

This forum has been very encouraging but also makes me wish I was a bit more mechanically inclined. Anyways, I still have time to learn.

Thanks everyone.
Tim

Hey Tim, I live in toronto and remember seeing you on the news somewhere and couldn't believe it when I saw a 2nd gen runner (pretty rare in ontario) hit a brand new tundra. I was suprised to see that no one was injured so that is great news. Honestly a body swap is a pretty big job but it is definitely possible if you have the time. The 2nd gens are still pretty common on the market though and they are going pretty cheap. You could get a nice one for 3-4k and keep your truck for parts. Goodluck with whatever you decide!

camo31"10.50" · 02-09-2009, 08:26 PM

have anybody's aftermarket front bumpers held up good in any crashes???..i know the Road Armor bumpers are just about the best around...they hold to up to just about anything..military uses them too...im thinking about building my own...and i would like to know which aftermarket front bumper stands up to a beating the best..that way i can copy a few things off of them..lol..also rear bumpers...thanks

dycktim · 02-09-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightnine

Hey Tim, I live in toronto and remember seeing you on the news somewhere and couldn't believe it when I saw a 2nd gen runner (pretty rare in ontario) hit a brand new tundra.

I don't think it was on the news. I was there till my truck was dragged away and there were no news cameras. It happened about 2 hours north of TO. Very strange if there was a similar collision, but I do see second gens around all the time. And tundras - just not on thier roof.

eightnine · 02-09-2009, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dycktim

I don't think it was on the news. I was there till my truck was dragged away and there were no news cameras. It happened about 2 hours north of TO. Very strange if there was a similar collision, but I do see second gens around all the time. And tundras - just not on thier roof.

No it was definitely your truck lol. I must have seen in somewhere else because I dont think it was on tv. Either way I remember saving a picture of it (same one your posted up) a while ago when I saw it because of how strange it was. As for second gens I still see them but not that commonly IN Metro Toronto. 1st gens even less.

dycktim · 02-09-2009, 08:54 PM

You saw it here.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ97582063

Anyways I'm parting it out so if you want anything let me know.

Thanks

eightnine · 02-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dycktim

You saw it here.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ97582063

Anyways I'm parting it out so if you want anything let me know.

Thanks

Yup thats where I saw it at. I have an 89' so I don't think I could use much but I'll ask a buddy with a 91 to see if he needs anything. Thanks

01-16-2009, 08:59 AM	#27 (permalink)
87LVRunner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 279	I have no pics as it happened years ago, but it was raining and as I was coming down hill the semi in the lane to the left of me jack-knifed into my lane, taking out my truck in the process. I literally 'knew' it was the end. Well, after I let go of the steering wheel, got out of the truck, and found the semi driver, I learned he had three broken ribs and I was fine. The Toyota was fixed $3000 later and I was on my way. I still hate semi trucks in the rain. __________________ 87 4Runner 4 Banger ProComp Stage II 4:88 w/ LS

02-09-2009, 08:26 PM	#34 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,064	have anybody's aftermarket front bumpers held up good in any crashes???..i know the Road Armor bumpers are just about the best around...they hold to up to just about anything..military uses them too...im thinking about building my own...and i would like to know which aftermarket front bumper stands up to a beating the best..that way i can copy a few things off of them..lol..also rear bumpers...thanks __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

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02-09-2009, 07:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
dycktim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener ON Posts: 7	Thats a good idea and will definitly do somethin like that if I dont find a good home for the engine/chassis. At least a fun bush/trail rig. In the mean time I am parting out what I can off the body - If I can help another runner stay on the road thats good too.

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SteveyCapri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 110	If you want to get your kid a safe car get a 90's Buick Century, LeSabre, or Park Ave. I hit a stone wall going 35 in my Century. No damage. A woman hit my Park Ave going 45. Broke a tie rod and dented the fender pretty good. Her Cavalier was totaled. I drove the Century off of a 5 ft. ledge going 45 and had no problems. I've been running my current Century with a couple quarts of oil in it for 2 years as a test. I've never changed anything and never had problems.

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dycktim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener ON Posts: 7	You saw it here. http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ97582063 Anyways I'm parting it out so if you want anything let me know. Thanks