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Two options.
1) Do a google image search for "3vze timing marks" and find a diagram, take your cover back off and see if all the marks line up like they should, or
2) Defer to a professional.
1. Bought a Timing Light, hooked it up, turned it on. The mark on the Harmonic Balancer keeps showing that the Engine's firing 180-out.
I knew this was bullsh˟˟t, because I never messed with the Distributor.
But just for the hell of it, I pulled the cap, and flipped the Rotor 180-degrees.
When I tried to start, it refused to Fire. So obviously it wasnt 180-out.
Anyone know how to find the ACTUAL toyota-factory-made marks on the Harmonic Balancer?
I have 2 drill holes on the back side, and the guide-pin that helps you put the Balancer on the right way, but Nothing else. Am I missing something?
2. I installed a new Timing Belt, engine runs better, but still crappy. Might be off a tooth of the belt?
I'll pull the belt again, and move it 1 tooth counter-clockwise, see how it works, if no improvement, I'll go a tooth Clockwise.
Question for anyone that knows:
The Camshaft Pulleys - When I move them, they dont want to line up with the marks on the Timing Cover.
It feels like the cam is SPRING-LOADED. That's normal, right?
But how do I get them to sit still, on the marks, so I can put the belt on?
Do i just MUSCLE-IT into place?
They feel spring loaded because the cam lobes are opening the valves as you turn it, yes that's normal. Start by putting the belt around the crank sprocket. I'll usually use something to be sure the belt stays on it, either wedge something small between the belt and the bottom of the housing, or some sort of clamp across the sprocket. Dont use anything too brutal, you just need the teeth to stay in the sprocket. Then put a tool on the cam sprocket, turn it into time, place the belt on it and use an office paper binder to hold it on there. (The little spring steel clamps with the two pivoting chrome handles) Then just continue following the belt path until you're on everything, clamp the belt on the other cam if you wish, makes getting the tensioner in easier. When everything is in and lines up, pull all clamping/fixment devices and spin your crank 2x, all your marks should line up again.
All that EGR crap was cut out.
It just added more complication to something that needed to be Simplified.
Plus it took up too much room. I like an Open engine bay, that's easy to work on.
Vacuum hoses went with it, and everything was capped off.
The hole where your vacuum modulator once mounted, (for the EGR)... is a vacuum leak. See arrow on modified photo.
1. Bought a Timing Light, hooked it up, turned it on. The mark on the Harmonic Balancer keeps showing that the Engine's firing 180-out.
I knew this was bullsh˟˟t, because I never messed with the Distributor.
But just for the hell of it, I pulled the cap, and flipped the Rotor 180-degrees.
When I tried to start, it refused to Fire. So obviously it wasnt 180-out.
Anyone know how to find the ACTUAL toyota-factory-made marks on the Harmonic Balancer?
I have 2 drill holes on the back side, and the guide-pin that helps you put the Balancer on the right way, but Nothing else. Am I missing something?
2. I installed a new Timing Belt, engine runs better, but still crappy. Might be off a tooth of the belt?
I'll pull the belt again, and move it 1 tooth counter-clockwise, see how it works, if no improvement, I'll go a tooth Clockwise.
Question for anyone that knows:
The Camshaft Pulleys - When I move them, they dont want to line up with the marks on the Timing Cover.
It feels like the cam is SPRING-LOADED. That's normal, right?
But how do I get them to sit still, on the marks, so I can put the belt on?
Do i just MUSCLE-IT into place?
If your engine was firing 180-degrees out of spec, you wouldn't be able to run it very well much less drive around.
Also, I may be missing something here... but the Rotor does not have an option to install it in more than one configuration. I don't think you can turn it 180 degrees.
Some cam gears have a small index hole to put a pin in it to lock it in place when doing the belt. Just make sure you remove it after getting the belt on.
you know what occured to me, when you were checking your timing with the light.. are you Sure you put the induction clip on the wire for the 1st plug? Double check that all the wires are going from correct place on distributor to correct cylinder. Check l
timing again and report.
Also, did you ever adjust your tps properly? If it is to far forward (out of IDL circuit) the engine will run like crap and give you terrible.mileage, much like you explained.
The hole where your vacuum modulator once mounted, (for the EGR)... is a vacuum leak....
Actually, I dont think anything was ever bolted to that. But i'll cap it anyway, thanks.
Originally Posted by DuffXLCH3VZE
if you swamped your air filter did you put a new air filter on and clean out your whole throttle body? holes n all
Nope.
Originally Posted by Gevo
If your engine was firing 180-degrees out of spec, you wouldn't be able to run it very well much less drive around.
Agreed.
Originally Posted by Gevo
...are you Sure you put the induction clip on the wire for the 1st plug?
Yes. I also found out, during this process, that unlike a Chevy V8, the #1 of a Yota engine is completely backwards by comparrison.
(toyota #1 is Passenger side, closest to the Radiator --- Chevy is Driver side, closest to Radiator)
Originally Posted by Gevo
Also, did you ever adjust your tps properly?
While messing with the Timing light, I was able to turn it a few times, until i found a 'SWEET SPOT', where the engine seemed to run a little better.
.... Anyway, I put on a New Timing Belt, (about 20 times, because it kept jumping a tooth, and I had to start over), but I finally got it all lined up on the Marks, got the Timing belt on, got the Timing light to work right, and I have my engine firing around 5° before TDC.
It still takes a while to start now, and sometimes, the engine smells of gas (under the hood), but it's running a little better.
Still obvious issues, that I'll get fixed in the next couple months, when I take it to the Shop, and see what they say is the culprit.
The guy said something about a Vacuum Leak, and that he had to order a fuel vacuum thing, or something... I'll have more/better info in the days to come.
I went down to pick up the truck, guy said it was the Fuel Damper, with is supposed to make the Fuel PULSE, but it had a leak, so instead of Pulsing, it was Full-Spraying into the Engine, non-stop.
I went to pick it up, because he said it was ready. $180 estimate, cost me $510 out of nowhere. He didnt even put Any Gas in the tank, especially for that Price. Needless to say; that guy will not be getting Repeat Business from me.
THEN, I start the truck, and get ready to leave, but the Throttle drops really low. Below 800 rpm. I lightly keep tapping the gas pedal, and the throttle Drops at 1st, then shoots up. I tap, it drops, then goes up. I try to move the Truck, and it dies.
Obviously, i'm super pi$$ed at the guy...
He pulls it back into the shop, and I walk several miles back home. A couple days later, he said he retarded the Distributor (which is the OPPOSITE of what I wanted). I had it close to TDC for a reason...
But, he Claims once again, that it's Ready to go, and I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow.... HOPEFULLY.
So, it's still not running right, it's idling at 600rpm, but atleast the 4mpg crap has been fixed.
The guy did an absolute screw-job to me: Split my Radiator, Drained the Coolant from it and didnt replace it, drained the Battery.....
So now i'm even MORE pi$$ed.....
Anyway, I hope my loss of Money gives you guys a little more knowledge of things that can Break, and cause Idiling Problems with your 3VZEs.
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I have yet Another Issue with my 3VZE:
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I pulled the engine to do a new clutch, and I believe I have everything hooked back up, but it refuses to fire.
Can anyone tell me where these 3 wires (on the Drivers Side) go? one is Green with White Stripe, one is Green with Yellow Stripe, and the one with the Black Plug still on it is Yellow with Green Stripe. Thanks in advance for the help
03-07-2015, 05:12 PM
