22re vs 3.0 v6 need help on rebuilding
11-19-2010, 04:02 PM
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22re vs 3.0 v6 need help on rebuilding
so i have had both blow up rods on the 22re and head gaskets on the 3.0 so im basically gona build a new one and get the kit from engblder.com but i was wonder which one would be better
11-20-2010, 01:33 PM
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What exactly are you trying to say there? Or do you even know?
Since when?
Does anybody in this thread speak english as their first language(besides me!)?
11-20-2010, 02:07 PM
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I'd say the 22re, but I'm biased. Of course I've had crappy luck with my current 22re, but most people don't. Mudhippy, are you serious about 3.0? I can never tell 
I know a lot of people like them!
I know a lot of people like them!
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11-20-2010, 02:36 PM
#8
depends, not a simple matter of engine install. Becuase of trannies, ecu, wire harness, guage clusters, t-cases....
but allthings being said 22re is superior and a well built one will put out about the same power with less weight. Bigger aftermarket part market for the 22RE. The best performance upgrade for a 3.0 is called 3.4 swap. No one builds a performance 3.0, that is a general rule and I'm sure there is an exception. Better and cheaper dual case options.
but allthings being said 22re is superior and a well built one will put out about the same power with less weight. Bigger aftermarket part market for the 22RE. The best performance upgrade for a 3.0 is called 3.4 swap. No one builds a performance 3.0, that is a general rule and I'm sure there is an exception. Better and cheaper dual case options.
11-20-2010, 05:49 PM
#9
3VZE = Most under-rated Toyota engine ever.
22RE = Most over-rated Toyota engine ever.
You couldn't pay me enough to drive a truck with a 4 cylinder period. Let alone that POS 22RE. If that's all there is/was, I'd rather ride my bike or walk.
Anyhow...don't EVEN get me started. There's nothing I like more than ranting on the 22RE. Especially when folks try and say it's better than the 3VZE. When it obviously ISN'T!! NO WAY, NO HOW!!!
Ask muddpigg, he's felt my wrath. And I've got a good mind to show him...nevermind...
Letting it go....
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11-20-2010, 05:57 PM
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No way man, I totally respect your opinion. I was just curious. I just hear people always talking bad about the 3.0! I am feeling that the 22re is a little over-rated myself
11-20-2010, 07:59 PM
#12
Dead-serious! They're not even in the same ballpark for a comparison.
3VZE = Most under-rated Toyota engine ever.
22RE = Most over-rated Toyota engine ever.
You couldn't pay me enough to drive a truck with a 4 cylinder period. Let alone that POS 22RE. If that's all there is/was, I'd rather ride my bike or walk.
Anyhow...don't EVEN get me started. There's nothing I like more than ranting on the 22RE. Especially when folks try and say it's better than the 3VZE. When it obviously ISN'T!! NO WAY, NO HOW!!!
Ask muddpigg, he's felt my wrath. And I've got a good mind to show him...nevermind...
Letting it go....
3VZE = Most under-rated Toyota engine ever.
22RE = Most over-rated Toyota engine ever.
You couldn't pay me enough to drive a truck with a 4 cylinder period. Let alone that POS 22RE. If that's all there is/was, I'd rather ride my bike or walk.
Anyhow...don't EVEN get me started. There's nothing I like more than ranting on the 22RE. Especially when folks try and say it's better than the 3VZE. When it obviously ISN'T!! NO WAY, NO HOW!!!
Ask muddpigg, he's felt my wrath. And I've got a good mind to show him...nevermind...
Letting it go....
11-20-2010, 08:38 PM
#13
More like I get things right the first try because I do my research ahead of time.
But whatever...now that you mention it though...
Guess who else was a self-taught genius?
Albert Einstein that's who.
Being self-taught is critical to a deeper understanding of nature/reality. All great theorists develope their theories based on new ways of looking at problems. Not by seeing things as they've already been seen by others, but from entirely different and unique perspectives. That's how genius is defined. Those who have nothing new to offer, can't truly be called such.
That's just the way it goes. Science and the human understanding of the "universe" would not be able evolve in any other way.
Being self-taught is therefor nothing to be ashamed of I'm afraid. In fact it's quite the opposite. And truly shows a superiority of intellect. One not needing special guidance as does the great majority.
But whatever...now that you mention it though...
Guess who else was a self-taught genius?
Albert Einstein that's who.
Being self-taught is critical to a deeper understanding of nature/reality. All great theorists develope their theories based on new ways of looking at problems. Not by seeing things as they've already been seen by others, but from entirely different and unique perspectives. That's how genius is defined. Those who have nothing new to offer, can't truly be called such.
That's just the way it goes. Science and the human understanding of the "universe" would not be able evolve in any other way.
Being self-taught is therefor nothing to be ashamed of I'm afraid. In fact it's quite the opposite. And truly shows a superiority of intellect. One not needing special guidance as does the great majority.
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11-20-2010, 08:48 PM
#14
More like I get things right the first try because I do my research ahead of time.
But whatever...now that you mention it though...
Guess who else was a self-taught genius?
Albert Einstein that's who.
Being self-taught is critical to a deeper understanding of nature/reality. All great theorists develope their theories based on new ways of looking at problems. Not by seeing things as they've already been seen by others, but from entirely different and unique perspectives. That's how genius is defined. Those who have nothing new to offer, can't truly be called such.
That's just the way it goes. Science and the human understanding of the "universe" would not be able evolve in any other way.
Being self-taught is therefor nothing to be ashamed of I'm afraid. In fact it's quite the opposite. And truly shows a superiority of intellect. One not needing special guidance as does the great majority.
But whatever...now that you mention it though...
Guess who else was a self-taught genius?
Albert Einstein that's who.
Being self-taught is critical to a deeper understanding of nature/reality. All great theorists develope their theories based on new ways of looking at problems. Not by seeing things as they've already been seen by others, but from entirely different and unique perspectives. That's how genius is defined. Those who have nothing new to offer, can't truly be called such.
That's just the way it goes. Science and the human understanding of the "universe" would not be able evolve in any other way.
Being self-taught is therefor nothing to be ashamed of I'm afraid. In fact it's quite the opposite. And truly shows a superiority of intellect. One not needing special guidance as does the great majority.
So interesting we found something to agree on.
Too bad the 3vze sucks crack; 22RE rocks get over it
11-20-2010, 09:16 PM
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no offense, but this has got to be the dumbest thing that i have ever heard anybody say about toyota's..
11-20-2010, 10:29 PM
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Not totally self-taught, but not totally not either. And who really is anyway? That would be a little on the impossible side no?
http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html
Taught himself the theory of special relativity too, among other things.
None taken.
After all, it's not like I've never heard that before.
Only every time a 22RE lover hears me say something to that effect!
And it is a bit exaggerated to be quite honest. I'd probably drive a truck with one, I wouldn't like it though. Now that I've been spoiled on the stronger, more powerful option.
But a good engine also deserves a good defense IMO. And since very few are willing to defend it, I will. I've been more than pleased with my 3VZE since the day I bought it. And am even more so now that I've gotten aquainted with it. It's one hell of an engine in my book. I've also personally known more people that have had more troubles with their 22REs, than those with trouble prone 3VZEs. Anybody that I know that drives their 22RE hard, throws rods left and right, and blows head gasket after head gasket(I know a guy that's blown 5 HGs on his 22RE, last I checked). Despite popular belief, I've never known anyone personally that's had similar troubles with thier 3VZE. I've drove the piss out of mine for over 50,000 miles, and the stock head gasket didn't even let go 'till it had 218,000 miles(had 180,000 miles on it when I bought it). No rod bearing failures neither in all that time(it's an 88/over 22 years old BTW). I did crack a piston though with ~224,000 miles on it. But that just proves that I really do drive it hard. My story isn't that uncommon either. Many folks have had similar experiences with theirs.
The 3VZE has been given a bad reputation, and it's entirely undeserved. The 22RE is still spoken of as some kind of "golden child", and it really isn't. Not in my book atleast. It's given just as many people, if not more, just as many headaches, if not more.
That's just the way I see it. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. But I gots to calls it how it sees it.
Alas, Einstein’s childhood offers history many savory ironies, but this is not one of them. In 1935, a rabbi in Princeton showed him a clipping of the Ripley’s column with the headline “Greatest living mathematician failed in mathematics.” Einstein laughed. “I never failed in mathematics,” he replied, correctly. “Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus.” In primary school, he was at the top of his class and “far above the school requirements” in math. By age 12, his sister recalled, “he already had a predilection for solving complicated problems in applied arithmetic,” and he decided to see if he could jump ahead by learning geometry and algebra on his own. His parents bought him the textbooks in advance so that he could master them over summer vacation. Not only did he learn the proofs in the books, he also tackled the new theories by trying to prove them on his own. He even came up on his own with a way to prove the Pythagorean theory.
Taught himself the theory of special relativity too, among other things.
After all, it's not like I've never heard that before.
Only every time a 22RE lover hears me say something to that effect!
And it is a bit exaggerated to be quite honest. I'd probably drive a truck with one, I wouldn't like it though. Now that I've been spoiled on the stronger, more powerful option.
But a good engine also deserves a good defense IMO. And since very few are willing to defend it, I will. I've been more than pleased with my 3VZE since the day I bought it. And am even more so now that I've gotten aquainted with it. It's one hell of an engine in my book. I've also personally known more people that have had more troubles with their 22REs, than those with trouble prone 3VZEs. Anybody that I know that drives their 22RE hard, throws rods left and right, and blows head gasket after head gasket(I know a guy that's blown 5 HGs on his 22RE, last I checked). Despite popular belief, I've never known anyone personally that's had similar troubles with thier 3VZE. I've drove the piss out of mine for over 50,000 miles, and the stock head gasket didn't even let go 'till it had 218,000 miles(had 180,000 miles on it when I bought it). No rod bearing failures neither in all that time(it's an 88/over 22 years old BTW). I did crack a piston though with ~224,000 miles on it. But that just proves that I really do drive it hard. My story isn't that uncommon either. Many folks have had similar experiences with theirs.
The 3VZE has been given a bad reputation, and it's entirely undeserved. The 22RE is still spoken of as some kind of "golden child", and it really isn't. Not in my book atleast. It's given just as many people, if not more, just as many headaches, if not more.
That's just the way I see it. Sorry to ruffle your feathers. But I gots to calls it how it sees it.
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11-20-2010, 11:09 PM
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i will play 
the 3vze isn't that bad of an engine and it is a little under rated, but saying a 22re is worse or a POS? really? nothing gets a bad name for no reason and the 3vze gets a bad name because 94% of them were dirt. the only thing it has over a 22re is 34hp and a little chrome v6 badge. the reason you always hear people praising the 22re is because it is that good.22re - a little slow but its - simple, reliable as f***, and good millage. 3vze - quicker, hassle to work on, bad head design that causes overheating along with crossover pipe, bad millage. need more be said?
i own a 91 22re pickup obvs.. its been great and almost headache free for 418k km's and being 20 years old lol. now i own a 91 4runner with a 3vze at 350k and it is brutal in comparison. ive had people tell me i cant talk until i have owned both and now i do and all i can say is its exactly what i expected. really the only thing i like about it is that it doesn't sound ricey like my 22re and it's nice to have a little more power but thats it lol. changing oil is a Pain compared to a 22re, like who put the oil filter wear it is on the 3vze? spark plugs_____ yah RIGHT!!!!!!! simply a bad designed motor. thats why toyota went and seek kelp when designing the 5vzfe and that engine is beautiful. I give the 3vze in my 4runner props since it has made it this far and still runs lol its been overheated a few times and hasn't blown yet?????? im going to drive it until it does and then its 2JZ baby big single hear i come!!
22re ftw!
3vze - well you tried.
the 3vze isn't that bad of an engine and it is a little under rated, but saying a 22re is worse or a POS? really? nothing gets a bad name for no reason and the 3vze gets a bad name because 94% of them were dirt. the only thing it has over a 22re is 34hp and a little chrome v6 badge. the reason you always hear people praising the 22re is because it is that good.22re - a little slow but its - simple, reliable as f***, and good millage. 3vze - quicker, hassle to work on, bad head design that causes overheating along with crossover pipe, bad millage. need more be said?
i own a 91 22re pickup obvs.. its been great and almost headache free for 418k km's and being 20 years old lol. now i own a 91 4runner with a 3vze at 350k and it is brutal in comparison. ive had people tell me i cant talk until i have owned both and now i do and all i can say is its exactly what i expected. really the only thing i like about it is that it doesn't sound ricey like my 22re and it's nice to have a little more power but thats it lol. changing oil is a Pain compared to a 22re, like who put the oil filter wear it is on the 3vze? spark plugs_____ yah RIGHT!!!!!!! simply a bad designed motor. thats why toyota went and seek kelp when designing the 5vzfe and that engine is beautiful. I give the 3vze in my 4runner props since it has made it this far and still runs lol its been overheated a few times and hasn't blown yet?????? im going to drive it until it does and then its 2JZ baby big single hear i come!!
22re ftw!
3vze - well you tried.
11-20-2010, 11:58 PM
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I own both a 22R and a 3VZ and, honestly, I've had far more problems from my 22R than my 3VZ. Changing the oil on the 3VZ is not a pain (try to get at the filter on a 22R with all the emissions crap in the way); the 3VZ has 50 HP and 50 FT LBS of torque over the 22R; and the spark plugs aren't bad unless you've got huge gorilla hands. And everybody complains about the 3VZ and it's tendency to blow headgaskets, but they conveniently forget about the 22R/R-E and their timing chain issues. In fact , the proper way to change the timing chain on the 22R/R-E requires the removal of the head, which requires the changing of the headgasket! Gas mileage is one thing the 22R has over the 3VZ, but that also depends on whether the engine is carbed or fuel-injected. My 3VZ automatic 4runner gets about 14 city, 17 highway and my 22R 5 speed truck gets 11 city 23 highway . Go figure......
. Go figure......
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11-21-2010, 12:09 AM
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