165k miles, original timing chain. replace?

wilshire · 04-21-2009, 11:16 AM

I just bought a 1990 pickup with 165k miles on it. It has a 22RE and as far as I know, it's on its original timing chain.

I know that 22RE's have had issues with their timing chains.

If I'm not hearing anything out of the ordinary when the engine starts or is running, and I take the valve cover off and the chain is still tight and the guides still good, should I still replace it with this many miles on it?

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PlugItIn · 04-21-2009, 01:05 PM

i would...just for the piece of mind, well more or less because i just bought one where the guy didnt replace the chain and the guides and it wore through the case, which in turn screwed the bearings up because of the coolant leaking into the oil...

whokrz · 04-21-2009, 05:29 PM

If the chain is still tight and the guide on the driver side is not broken then leave it alone.
If its not broke don't fix it.

TOYOTA 1 · 04-21-2009, 05:31 PM

x2...^

4banginRunner · 04-21-2009, 05:33 PM

198K on my stock chain

X3 on if it aint broke, don't fix it

sh0kk86 · 04-22-2009, 02:21 PM

if you have the money, id rather do it on a day off of work and know i wont have to mess with it when it happens.

its not a maybe thing.

most 22r/re's will wear through the plastic guides or just break em up into little pieces eventually. 150,200, or 250k who knows how long it will last.

snobdds · 04-23-2009, 08:28 AM

Mine lasted 215,000 and when I did tear into the engine, everything looked fine. Only problem is now I have small oil leak becuase the FIPG got smudged a little when I put on the cover. So basically I traded one problem for another. But I can live with a small oil leak.

PlugItIn · 04-23-2009, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh0kk86

if you have the money, id rather do it on a day off of work and know i wont have to mess with it when it happens.

its not a maybe thing.

most 22r/re's will wear through the plastic guides or just break em up into little pieces eventually. 150,200, or 250k who knows how long it will last.

x2, if that guide breaks, you have to drop the front end and take the oil pan off to clean it out.

ozziesironmanoffroad · 04-23-2009, 09:01 AM

yes replace. i went up to check on my engine yesterday, the timing chain ate thru the cover, and the head was cracked. either way, change ur chain, might as well. lol.

whokrz · 04-23-2009, 09:06 AM

When you change it use the metal guide for the driver side.

drew303 · 04-23-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whokrz

When you change it use the metal guide for the driver side.

Had the metal guide break on me before.

small town BIG TOYS · 04-24-2009, 03:43 PM

X4 on not fixing it if it it still looks fine.

Gizler00 · 04-24-2009, 04:59 PM

I would also probably let it go until you absolutely need to or have the money to replace it. I know thats what im going to do. Im at 108,000 miles on my 3vze and as soon as I get some money im going to get the kit and set it aside for when im ready.

wilshire · 04-28-2009, 06:08 PM

Well, here it is:

http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0132.JPG

http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0133.JPG

http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0134.JPG

http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0135.JPG

How am I looking?

The timing chain and guides look like they're in fine shape to me.

TOYOTA 1 · 04-28-2009, 08:39 PM

from those pics there, the guides look fine. IME Ive noticed that the first thing to go on the drivers side guide is the lil tabs that are on the top.

p.s change your oil more often

wyoming9 · 04-28-2009, 11:47 PM

I would also wait to you need to do some other work.

Then change it at that time I had a small coolant leak at the head gasket that is when I did my last one

Stuwy123 · 05-06-2009, 04:34 PM

How do you tell if your timing chain/ guides are going?

PlugItIn · 05-06-2009, 04:43 PM

by searching....

abecedarian · 05-06-2009, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuwy123

How do you tell if your timing chain/ guides are going?

You can't tell if they're "going". They're either good or not. Okay well maybe you can see if the mount points are broken and that would be a sure sign they need replaced but otherwise there is no warning. They just break. And when they do it's just a matter of time before the chain wears through in to the water jacket in the cover.

PlugItIn · 05-06-2009, 05:05 PM

you can here them slapping against the cover sometimes, and you can look at the tension on the chain...

04-21-2009, 05:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
4banginRunner Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mount Carmel, PA Posts: 2,046	198K on my stock chain X3 on if it aint broke, don't fix it __________________ I look cooler at the mall than you do! \/Current Junk Pile\/ 12 Toyota Tundra - TRD beauty queen DD 87 Toyota 4Runner - SAS, locked, geared, armored, abused, heart transplant underway 79 Toyota Pickup - Neverending resto rig

04-22-2009, 02:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
sh0kk86 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 676	if you have the money, id rather do it on a day off of work and know i wont have to mess with it when it happens. its not a maybe thing. most 22r/re's will wear through the plastic guides or just break em up into little pieces eventually. 150,200, or 250k who knows how long it will last. __________________ 1986 Toyota 22r Short bed Pickup \|

04-23-2009, 08:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
snobdds Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cheyenne, Wyoming Posts: 1,770	Mine lasted 215,000 and when I did tear into the engine, everything looked fine. Only problem is now I have small oil leak becuase the FIPG got smudged a little when I put on the cover. So basically I traded one problem for another. But I can live with a small oil leak. __________________ 1988 4x4 Pickup 22 RE. Stock-ish, But oh the places it's seen. She doesn't look like much...but she puts out!

04-23-2009, 09:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,985	yes replace. i went up to check on my engine yesterday, the timing chain ate thru the cover, and the head was cracked. either way, change ur chain, might as well. lol. __________________ 2001 Ford F-150 6" lift 315x85x16 tires. (37x13.50s???) 4.6L V8 bumping stereo I love it MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? the toyota is gone... its been fun..

04-24-2009, 03:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
small town BIG TOYS Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: California Screw them smog laws. Posts: 278	X4 on not fixing it if it it still looks fine. __________________ Current toys. 1989 chevy s10 2.5 2x4 191k miles. [COLOR="silver"]1990 toyota truck DLX 4x4 22re 5 speed 212k miles not named yet 1995 geo prizm 170k miles 5 speed 1.6 1967 mercedes 230. 4 on the floor. 300k+ miles My first car my dad gave her to me. And I will never sell her.And my dad named this one the money pit and boy did this car earn that name. Past toys 1983 toyota truck SR5 4x4.It's I called this one the 83.It's gone for the better :(

04-21-2009, 01:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
PlugItIn Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Da UP, eh? Posts: 216	i would...just for the piece of mind, well more or less because i just bought one where the guy didnt replace the chain and the guides and it wore through the case, which in turn screwed the bearings up because of the coolant leaking into the oil...

04-21-2009, 05:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
whokrz Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Suisun City, California Posts: 535	If the chain is still tight and the guide on the driver side is not broken then leave it alone. If its not broke don't fix it.

04-23-2009, 09:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
whokrz Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Suisun City, California Posts: 535	When you change it use the metal guide for the driver side.

04-24-2009, 04:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gizler00 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Council Bluffs, Iowa Posts: 777	I would also probably let it go until you absolutely need to or have the money to replace it. I know thats what im going to do. Im at 108,000 miles on my 3vze and as soon as I get some money im going to get the kit and set it aside for when im ready. __________________ 85 4Runner 5.29's ,33x12.5 General Grabber Red Letter, 5speed 22re 89 Reg Cab 22Re 4x4 First Yota. Died of Cancer SOLD 87 2wd 22Re Parts Rig 90 Reg Cab 22Re 4x4 SOLD 1991 Ex-Cab 3vze: SOLD 06 Tacoma ex-cab 4cyl 4x4 SOLD 09 DBL Cab 4x4 6cyl 4x4 Traded (Huge Mistake) 88 Ex Cab 6cyl Parts Rig SOLD

04-28-2009, 06:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
wilshire Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) [OP] Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 119	Well, here it is: http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0132.JPG http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0133.JPG http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0134.JPG http://sasquatchsystems.com/truck/IMG_0135.JPG How am I looking? The timing chain and guides look like they're in fine shape to me.

04-28-2009, 11:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
wyoming9 Contributing Member Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: I live in New Tripoli Pa out in the woods Posts: 3,292	I would also wait to you need to do some other work. Then change it at that time I had a small coolant leak at the head gasket that is when I did my last one

05-06-2009, 04:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stuwy123 Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 664	How do you tell if your timing chain/ guides are going?

05-06-2009, 04:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
PlugItIn Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Da UP, eh? Posts: 216	by searching....

05-06-2009, 05:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
PlugItIn Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Da UP, eh? Posts: 216	you can here them slapping against the cover sometimes, and you can look at the tension on the chain...

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