Fuel Filter Replacement

stagger_lee · 10-22-2009, 01:49 PM

Has anyone ever replaced the stock fuel filter with a basic in line filter? My runner just started sputtering on the freeway today, and I need to just get through next week until my brother brings back my FJ from AZ. Im thinking fuel delivery just due to all the dirt and sand she has been in this last month.

I have new fuel cell, motor and new everything just don't have time to do all that this weekend and wanted to avoid buying an expensive OEM filter. In lines and even the plastic replacements are like $5. Otherwise she has been running good on the old motor w/240k on it so I haven't been in a hurry to swap everything new, in yet.

Cheers guys!

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myyota · 10-22-2009, 06:11 PM

Don`t be cheap and lazy, just replace the stock fuel filter, it not that hard and you can do it in thirty minutes or less. Do not use one of those cheap plastic fuel filters, they can`t handle the fuel presure and will break, why do you think all EFI fuel filters are made from metal ?.

Kiroshu · 10-22-2009, 06:13 PM

I highly recommend you replace it with an OEM filter it will be perfectly fine. If you don't you will see problems in the future.

stagger_lee · 10-22-2009, 07:38 PM

Yeah but I'm pulling everything in like 3 weeks. Im talking about just throwing a $5 metal in-line in there just to keep the dirt out of my carb for a week. If it was my daily I would go OEM. I was just seeing if anyone ever just dropped an in line on. Stupid question. I'll let you know what happens.

Teuf · 10-22-2009, 08:09 PM

Relocate the filter to the Inner fender left side.

stagger_lee · 10-22-2009, 08:30 PM

Thats kind of what is thinking. Just bypassing the stocker,running a straight line up closer to engine compartment, just outside. Setting a generic filter there.

Teuf · 10-22-2009, 08:55 PM

Forget generic, get a stock one relocate it, 84 4 runner aye, stayin away from you I can see it now, fuel leaking everywhere, boooooom. You'll be sorry

AustinTaco · 10-22-2009, 09:14 PM

You are replacing the fuel filter on your 84 4runner, right? Isn't it on the frame rail on the passenger side? I have replaced mine twice and I don't remember it being that expensive and it's not that messy either.
I am a ty mechanic, and I think it was a 20 minute job for me, so just do it right and be done with it.
Maybe I am missing something?

ROCK LIZARD · 10-22-2009, 10:18 PM

"Has anyone ever replaced the stock fuel filter with a basic in line filter?"
AustinTaco is correct--if you have an '84 4runner, it has a carb and the fuel filter IS a basic in line filter. It is located on the frame on the passenger side. Crawl under you truck, look up and you will see a PLASTIC INLINE FUEL FILTER. Can't be much easier.

stagger_lee · 10-22-2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROCK LIZARD

"Has anyone ever replaced the stock fuel filter with a basic in line filter?"
AustinTaco is correct--if you have an '84 4runner, it has a carb and the fuel filter IS a basic in line filter. It is located on the frame on the passenger side.

Thank you captain obvious.

I know where it is, but thanks, I have a manual. I don't like those vertical hang down filters with the crappy retainer clip, plastic crap, I know. A metal in line won't leak if you tighten your hose clamps tight enough have the right size and have the right flow rate, no booom. What do you think Im gonna mount on top of the battery with rubber bands? Im not an idiot. Toyota wanted $35 for that $5 dollar plastic part. When Im driving it for a week and then tearing everything out again? Call me frugal, but I have spent all kinds of $$ on quality already and I just need a week of no dirt in my carb. Like I said, I let you know how it works. Stupid question.

Kiroshu · 10-23-2009, 05:09 AM

on 22r's and e's its supose to be next to the starter on the block.... mine does not sit there anymore i tied it up more on the fender cause its a pain to get it off the block everytime....

Teuf · 10-23-2009, 09:41 AM

How is dirt getting to your carb from there?

deserttoy84 · 10-23-2009, 10:19 AM

factory fuel filters on 22r are plastic so why do you think you need to re-invent what toyota designed? Go to the auto parts store, buy a stock replacement for 5 bucks and swap it out, dont have to buy it from dealer... it takes all of about a minute or two to replace whereas modifying a generic filters takes a lot longer then that . none of the lines have more then a couple PSI MAYBE so no need to go buy clamps and wrench down on the filter, just re use the stock ones. If going aftermarket you also need to figure out stock filter micron rating and match it or go lower.

stagger_lee · 10-23-2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiroshu

on 22r's and e's its supose to be next to the starter on the block.... mine does not sit there anymore i tied it up more on the fender cause its a pain to get it off the block everytime....

Chiltons manual says fuel filter is right up next to the frame rail on the passenger side just in front of the tank. I checked to make sure it as there. I'll double check for an in line up by starter. There might be 2 or maybe someone moved yours. Check back by your tank too and let me know.

Quote:

How is dirt getting to your carb from there?

Its not yet, but if I have dirty tank and I take my dirty filter off because I am sputtering and don't replace it, I will have dirt in my carb. I was just stating the obvious function of a fuel filter, keeping dirt out of carb/engine.

You guys all sound like you think Im trying to rig something up. I have a handful of different fuel filters, metal inlines that I used use on tractors and back hoes. They all have different size nipples and flow rates. I thought I could just pull the old one and stick one of these in the fuel line to keep me clean for a week. I have one that has nipples the same size as stock fuel lines. 2 hose clamps and done. How is that hard?

ROCK LIZARD · 10-23-2009, 05:27 PM

Sgt. Obtuse:
You are the one who ask about replacement of OEM filter with a basic inline filter.

My point is: the OEM filter on an '84 runner IS a basic inline filter. My intent in telling you to crawl under and look at the filter was to illustrate that fact.

As you stated "the generic plastic filters are $5". I've used them with no problems in the last 25+ years so I doubt you will have any problems using one for a few days/weeks. Go for it!

Good luck with your project.

ROCK LIZARD. * But you can call me Captain Obvious if it makes you feel better. :^)

stagger_lee · 10-23-2009, 05:55 PM

I like Sgt obtuse better. haha Thanks for the new material. You make me feel better ROCK LIZARD.

You never said you used the $5 generics for 25 years with no problems. That was the answer I was looking for.

I have a bunch of filters like this, not Bosch. Looks nothing like the OEM which I crawled under to inspect.

This what I call an in line.
A

This the Toyota generic, not what I would call an inline. Technically they are all inline because they connect between 2 fuel lines.
B

Hopefully that explains my question better. I have several like exhibit A, dont want to buy exhibit B if I don't have to (not to mention local auto parts, ie:crapa, gheygon, and schlep boys didnt have anything close to exhibit B). Has anybody ran Exhibit A?

abecedarian · 10-23-2009, 06:01 PM

The axial flow filter should work fine.

stagger_lee · 10-23-2009, 06:42 PM

I can always count on abe to learn me some new verbiage.

Now that thats cleared up, lets talk more about nipples.

camo31"10.50" · 10-23-2009, 07:22 PM

just use the plastic one.......it's what i run for mine...why spend $35 on something that does the EXACT SAME THING as something that is $5???????? it makes no logical sense..

so what if the OEM filter is metal..who cares..if something is getting anywhere NEAR the stock fuel filter location (for us carb'd guys..its on top of the frame rail by the tank on the pass. side like stated above by you other guys) then you are going to be having waayyyyy bigger problems than a busted fuel filter..

there is no way any toyota runs enough fuel pressure to blow one of the plastic filters shown above...i can barely cut through one with a RAZOR SHARP knife...let alone a few PSI of fuel pressure....

stagger_lee · 10-23-2009, 07:52 PM

I didn't want to spend anything because I have a handful of the "axial flow" style filters, thats why I was asking if anyone ran them. I just needed a couple weeks before I start pulling everything apart and I have already spent well over a grand in engines, parts, misc stuff just for drivetrain. Thanks for the comments and I apologize for the pissy attitude yesterday. I have been on pirate a lot lately and the crappy tudes wore off on me.

abecedarian · 10-24-2009, 01:22 PM

If you're worried about one filter being good enough, chain 3 or 4 together.

Kiroshu · 10-24-2009, 02:18 PM

I think the 22re has a diff fuel filter set up i know on all 22re models its by the starter on the block.... guess 22r's are diff due to the carb lol. Course the carbs have a few filters in the system.... on in the carb itself and another outside filter....

86tuning · 10-24-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stagger_lee

Thank you captain obvious.

I know where it is, but thanks, I have a manual. I don't like those vertical hang down filters with the crappy retainer clip, plastic crap, I know.

The toyota filters are nice because they trap sediment in the bottom, and don't plug as easily as the inline filters, for the same media size.

I've simply blown air backwards thru the filters to clean them up in the middle of a wheeling trip and kept going.

stagger_lee · 10-24-2009, 04:33 PM

^^ Thanks for the tip 86tuning! ^^ I still haven't pulled the sucker off, but I'll check it out.

stagger_lee · 10-25-2009, 05:16 PM

Fuel filter was straight muddy, and spark plugs were caked black. Good thing this motor is coming out. Rings are shot. Major blow by on cyl 1 and 4 from the looks of the plugs. Once again shes purrin though. Love Toyotas.

10-22-2009, 06:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
myyota Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Pablo, CA Posts: 1,424	Don`t be cheap and lazy, just replace the stock fuel filter, it not that hard and you can do it in thirty minutes or less. Do not use one of those cheap plastic fuel filters, they can`t handle the fuel presure and will break, why do you think all EFI fuel filters are made from metal ?. __________________ 86 Toyota 4Runner Solid Axle Swap, 16'' of lift, 37x12.50-15 GoodYear MTR tires, 5 speed manual trans swap, InchWorm Duel Cases With 5.7 Gears, 63'' Chevy Springs In The Rear, 5'' Trail Gear Springs In Front, Marlin Crawler Third Members, 4.88 Gears With A Detroit In The Rear, High Pinion Front With 4.88 Gears And An ARB, Downey Header, Optima Battery, Trail Gear Sliders, Addicted Offroad Front Bumper, Trail Gear Rear Bumper.

10-22-2009, 06:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kiroshu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wade, NC Posts: 1,305	I highly recommend you replace it with an OEM filter it will be perfectly fine. If you don't you will see problems in the future. __________________ My current: 1986 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE 5-Speed 242,000 Miles 95% Stock __________________ (Still working on restoring her) My old: 1988 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI V6 3.0L 3VZ-E 5-Speed 302,000 Miles All stock (sold)______________ (Was my fastest truck i miss her...) My old: 1989 Toyota 4runner Non-SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE Automatic 231,000 Miles (sold)______________ (was my quietest and slowest yota.)

10-22-2009, 10:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
ROCK LIZARD Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 47	"Has anyone ever replaced the stock fuel filter with a basic in line filter?" AustinTaco is correct--if you have an '84 4runner, it has a carb and the fuel filter IS a basic in line filter. It is located on the frame on the passenger side. Crawl under you truck, look up and you will see a PLASTIC INLINE FUEL FILTER. Can't be much easier. __________________ '84 4RUNNER, 4WD, 100% STOCK.

10-23-2009, 05:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
Kiroshu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wade, NC Posts: 1,305	on 22r's and e's its supose to be next to the starter on the block.... mine does not sit there anymore i tied it up more on the fender cause its a pain to get it off the block everytime.... __________________ My current: 1986 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE 5-Speed 242,000 Miles 95% Stock __________________ (Still working on restoring her) My old: 1988 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI V6 3.0L 3VZ-E 5-Speed 302,000 Miles All stock (sold)______________ (Was my fastest truck i miss her...) My old: 1989 Toyota 4runner Non-SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE Automatic 231,000 Miles (sold)______________ (was my quietest and slowest yota.)

10-23-2009, 10:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
deserttoy84 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 862	factory fuel filters on 22r are plastic so why do you think you need to re-invent what toyota designed? Go to the auto parts store, buy a stock replacement for 5 bucks and swap it out, dont have to buy it from dealer... it takes all of about a minute or two to replace whereas modifying a generic filters takes a lot longer then that . none of the lines have more then a couple PSI MAYBE so no need to go buy clamps and wrench down on the filter, just re use the stock ones. If going aftermarket you also need to figure out stock filter micron rating and match it or go lower. __________________ 1984 toyota sr5 4x4 22r w/ weber 32/36 Pro comp 4" front springs & 3" rear downey spring Home made On-board air system V6 4.88 lock rites F & R Bilstein 7100 reservoir shocks Last edited by deserttoy84; 10-23-2009 at 10:22 AM.

10-22-2009, 08:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Teuf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Napa, Ca Posts: 488	Relocate the filter to the Inner fender left side.

10-22-2009, 08:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Teuf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Napa, Ca Posts: 488	Forget generic, get a stock one relocate it, 84 4 runner aye, stayin away from you I can see it now, fuel leaking everywhere, boooooom. You'll be sorry

10-22-2009, 09:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
AustinTaco Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 280	You are replacing the fuel filter on your 84 4runner, right? Isn't it on the frame rail on the passenger side? I have replaced mine twice and I don't remember it being that expensive and it's not that messy either. I am a ty mechanic, and I think it was a 20 minute job for me, so just do it right and be done with it. Maybe I am missing something?

10-23-2009, 09:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
Teuf Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Napa, Ca Posts: 488	How is dirt getting to your carb from there?

10-23-2009, 05:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
ROCK LIZARD Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 47	Sgt. Obtuse: You are the one who ask about replacement of OEM filter with a basic inline filter. My point is: the OEM filter on an '84 runner IS a basic inline filter. My intent in telling you to crawl under and look at the filter was to illustrate that fact. As you stated "the generic plastic filters are $5". I've used them with no problems in the last 25+ years so I doubt you will have any problems using one for a few days/weeks. Go for it! Good luck with your project. ROCK LIZARD. * But you can call me Captain Obvious if it makes you feel better. :^) __________________ '84 4RUNNER, 4WD, 100% STOCK.

10-23-2009, 07:22 PM	#19 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 2,078	just use the plastic one.......it's what i run for mine...why spend $35 on something that does the EXACT SAME THING as something that is $5???????? it makes no logical sense.. so what if the OEM filter is metal..who cares..if something is getting anywhere NEAR the stock fuel filter location (for us carb'd guys..its on top of the frame rail by the tank on the pass. side like stated above by you other guys) then you are going to be having waayyyyy bigger problems than a busted fuel filter.. there is no way any toyota runs enough fuel pressure to blow one of the plastic filters shown above...i can barely cut through one with a RAZOR SHARP knife...let alone a few PSI of fuel pressure.... __________________ FOR SALE 1986 Ext. Cab 4x4, rebuilt 22R, 5spd, 31x10.50 X-Terrains FOR SALE 1992 SR5 FO RUNNA V6, 5 speed, 4in. trail-master lift, 33x12.50 BFG muds, 4.56 gears!!! and an IMMACULATE interior..yes..you should be jealous "Its still a toyota man.. Dont deprive it of its capabilities.." "If you can read english, Thank a teacher...If you can speak it, Thank a soldier!!" Kelli Ruark-2009

10-24-2009, 02:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
Kiroshu Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wade, NC Posts: 1,305	I think the 22re has a diff fuel filter set up i know on all 22re models its by the starter on the block.... guess 22r's are diff due to the carb lol. Course the carbs have a few filters in the system.... on in the carb itself and another outside filter.... __________________ My current: 1986 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE 5-Speed 242,000 Miles 95% Stock __________________ (Still working on restoring her) My old: 1988 Toyota 4runner SR5 EFI V6 3.0L 3VZ-E 5-Speed 302,000 Miles All stock (sold)______________ (Was my fastest truck i miss her...) My old: 1989 Toyota 4runner Non-SR5 EFI 4cyl 2.4L 22RE Automatic 231,000 Miles (sold)______________ (was my quietest and slowest yota.)

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