85 22re codes

chuckwhut · 03-04-2006, 01:43 PM

pulled two codes... 6 and 10. the only symptoms i seem to have (that i know of) are smelly exhaust (burning oil? doesn't really smoke or anything?) and it's slow to start most of the time. not that it turns over slow, it turns over fine. it just takes a while for it to spark up and run. oh, and it usually starts better/faster when the engine is warm. usually. best place to start?
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chuckwhut · 03-06-2006, 05:26 PM

really? no one?

chuckwhut · 03-16-2006, 09:36 AM

someone mentioned that my cold start injector might be bad, or the ignition isn't sending a signal to it or something. how do i go about checking this?

chuckwhut · 04-16-2006, 08:38 AM

well its still starting like crap, only more consistantly. every time i get in i get embarrased if people are around. lots of times people ask if i need help, and i say, nope, it'll crank in a minute. so yesterday i changed plugs, wires, cap and rotor, with no result. any help?

4Crawler · 04-16-2006, 08:43 AM

Try the fuel pump test jumper:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...shtml#FuelPump

Superflex84 · 04-16-2006, 12:30 PM

prob not cold start timer if it starts well when its warm.

buy a Weber

chuckwhut · 04-18-2006, 12:47 PM

interesting afternoon...went to the stealership to check on the price of 4 new injectors...mainly out of curiosity. when i did the tune up the other day, i thought the plugs looked white, like it was running lean. so my theory was...slow to start, plugs show lean, bad smelling exhaust, and the occasional sputtering loss of power....maybe my injectors were going/gone bad. i showed my old plugs to the mechanincs at the shop there and they said they looked fine. so maybe it's not lean. but i told them i wanted to take the injectors off and test them and they told me there was no possible way to do that, even though i'm sitting here looking at the FSM outlining how to do it. so i don't know.

oh yeah, i went to crank it, and it didn't, as usual, so i turned off the key and turned it back on...nothing. i mean not a slow try, not one noise. great. i sat there for a while checking fuses, checking grounds from the battery to the starter, etc. everything looked fine. but key makey no noisey. no starty. so i ask the stealers for a jump, and he hooks the jump pack up (he actually hooked it up backwards the first time!! wtf???) and it cranked right up.

so after all this, is my slow to start problem being caused by a weak battery, and the other symptoms are non related? i would feel like an ass. guess i need to bust out the old test light and see if i can find some random wire drawing power when it shouldn't be.

my clock is never right when i turn my truck on. it is always some random number. not 12 everytime, it doesnt pick up where it left off, its just random. stupid clock.

chuckwhut · 04-18-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Crawler

Try the fuel pump test jumper:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...shtml#FuelPump

thanks...but that didn't do anything...i ohmed out the ignitor, primary read at 0.9 (as opposed to the 0.5-0.7 it should be) ohms, couldn't get a reading other than infinity for secondary reading, maybe wasn't making contact with the terminal...

AH64ID · 04-18-2006, 05:49 PM

definatly sounds like a battery....explains the slow crank and battery.....but before you $$ up for a bat check your connections....make sure there is no corrosion or bad wires...

if you have a bad connection somewhere it could cause all the probs your seeing...

chuckwhut · 04-18-2006, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4x4nala

if you have a bad connection somewhere it could cause all the probs your seeing...

aside from the exhaust smell, stuttering acceleration, not so hot gas mileage, and i doubt the 2 codes, seems they would clear out if the battery died or was intermittantly disonnected

AH64ID · 04-18-2006, 07:06 PM

but could return due to a lack of volts??? check the connections, if that dont work new bat, clear the codes and see if they return...electrical ghosts SUCK

chuckwhut · 04-18-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4x4nala

electrical ghosts SUCK

i agree, i have a few more ghosts i would like to exercise as well...

Superflex84 · 04-19-2006, 03:16 AM

check the ground to the body, ground on the intake plenum, the ones on the plenum loosen up from vibration sometimes, see it at the dealer a lot

chuckwhut · 04-19-2006, 12:56 PM

checked all my grounds and replaced battery terminal connectors today, same prob. i still have a feeling it's fuel issue, and i noticed some gasoline on some engine parts today, i am trying to find that leak hoping it will solve my slow starting/running lean.

AH64ID · 04-19-2006, 02:08 PM

if the clock is loosing its memory you have a elec issue...you might have 2 issues.....

chuckwhut · 04-19-2006, 02:12 PM

that's what i'm thinking

chuckwhut · 04-21-2006, 09:02 PM

found my fuel leak, the "pulsation dampner". how likely is it that my slow starting and running lean is from this leak?

84sr5yoty · 04-22-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckwhut

found my fuel leak, the "pulsation dampner". how likely is it that my slow starting and running lean is from this leak?

It IS your problem to excessive cranking. The fuel pressure is bleeding down when it the pulsation damper leaks. Don't forget to purchase new brass washers when you replace it.

chuckwhut · 04-27-2006, 10:26 PM

vsv and damper replaced. relatively no change. i'm sad. exhaust still stinks, and actually seems to be smoking a little, or more than a little now. crap.

84sr5yoty · 04-28-2006, 04:30 PM

What color smoke? Blue, white, black?

chuckwhut · 04-28-2006, 08:26 PM

it's white, which makes me worry it's oil, and i guess i am being optimistic that it is running lean and not burning oil bad.

84sr5yoty · 04-29-2006, 04:18 PM

Uh oh. White smoke is water. Sounds like you may have a blown head gasket. Have you checked the coolant level and the condition of the oil? If the oil looks like coffee, your head gasket is blown. Plenty of info on this site regarding the head gasket replacement and parts.

chuckwhut · 04-30-2006, 12:26 AM

well when you say coffee, i assume you mean with cream? yeah, my oil comes out black (how i take MY coffee!). i'm leaning towards maybe more of a problem with the rings, but i don't know.

L33T35T 4Runner · 04-30-2006, 08:30 AM

how many miles?

84sr5yoty · 04-30-2006, 03:44 PM

Well, the best thing to do is a compression check. If one of the cylinders comes out low, squirt some oil down the plughole and take another reading. If the reading doesn't change, you either have a leaky valve or a bad head gasket.

03-06-2006, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	really? no one? __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

03-16-2006, 09:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	someone mentioned that my cold start injector might be bad, or the ignition isn't sending a signal to it or something. how do i go about checking this? __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-16-2006, 08:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	well its still starting like crap, only more consistantly. every time i get in i get embarrased if people are around. lots of times people ask if i need help, and i say, nope, it'll crank in a minute. so yesterday i changed plugs, wires, cap and rotor, with no result. any help? __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-16-2006, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,828	Try the fuel pump test jumper: - http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...shtml#FuelPump __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs or 35x12.50 MTRs r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

04-18-2006, 12:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	interesting afternoon...went to the stealership to check on the price of 4 new injectors...mainly out of curiosity. when i did the tune up the other day, i thought the plugs looked white, like it was running lean. so my theory was...slow to start, plugs show lean, bad smelling exhaust, and the occasional sputtering loss of power....maybe my injectors were going/gone bad. i showed my old plugs to the mechanincs at the shop there and they said they looked fine. so maybe it's not lean. but i told them i wanted to take the injectors off and test them and they told me there was no possible way to do that, even though i'm sitting here looking at the FSM outlining how to do it. so i don't know. oh yeah, i went to crank it, and it didn't, as usual, so i turned off the key and turned it back on...nothing. i mean not a slow try, not one noise. great. i sat there for a while checking fuses, checking grounds from the battery to the starter, etc. everything looked fine. but key makey no noisey. no starty. so i ask the stealers for a jump, and he hooks the jump pack up (he actually hooked it up backwards the first time!! wtf???) and it cranked right up. so after all this, is my slow to start problem being caused by a weak battery, and the other symptoms are non related? i would feel like an ass. guess i need to bust out the old test light and see if i can find some random wire drawing power when it shouldn't be. my clock is never right when i turn my truck on. it is always some random number. not 12 everytime, it doesnt pick up where it left off, its just random. stupid clock. __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-16-2006, 12:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Superflex84 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	prob not cold start timer if it starts well when its warm. buy a Weber

04-18-2006, 05:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	definatly sounds like a battery....explains the slow crank and battery.....but before you $$ up for a bat check your connections....make sure there is no corrosion or bad wires... if you have a bad connection somewhere it could cause all the probs your seeing... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-18-2006, 07:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	but could return due to a lack of volts??? check the connections, if that dont work new bat, clear the codes and see if they return...electrical ghosts SUCK __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-19-2006, 03:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
Superflex84 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	check the ground to the body, ground on the intake plenum, the ones on the plenum loosen up from vibration sometimes, see it at the dealer a lot __________________ Fabricator/Eater of Pizza

04-19-2006, 12:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	checked all my grounds and replaced battery terminal connectors today, same prob. i still have a feeling it's fuel issue, and i noticed some gasoline on some engine parts today, i am trying to find that leak hoping it will solve my slow starting/running lean. __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-19-2006, 02:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	if the clock is loosing its memory you have a elec issue...you might have 2 issues..... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

04-19-2006, 02:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	that's what i'm thinking __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-21-2006, 09:02 PM	#17 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	found my fuel leak, the "pulsation dampner". how likely is it that my slow starting and running lean is from this leak? __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-27-2006, 10:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	vsv and damper replaced. relatively no change. i'm sad. exhaust still stinks, and actually seems to be smoking a little, or more than a little now. crap. __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-28-2006, 04:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
84sr5yoty Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pleasanton Ca Posts: 677	What color smoke? Blue, white, black?

04-28-2006, 08:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	it's white, which makes me worry it's oil, and i guess i am being optimistic that it is running lean and not burning oil bad. __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-29-2006, 04:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
84sr5yoty Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pleasanton Ca Posts: 677	Uh oh. White smoke is water. Sounds like you may have a blown head gasket. Have you checked the coolant level and the condition of the oil? If the oil looks like coffee, your head gasket is blown. Plenty of info on this site regarding the head gasket replacement and parts.

04-30-2006, 12:26 AM	#23 (permalink)
chuckwhut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	well when you say coffee, i assume you mean with cream? yeah, my oil comes out black (how i take MY coffee!). i'm leaning towards maybe more of a problem with the rings, but i don't know. __________________ 1985 4runner EFI Concord, NC

04-30-2006, 08:30 AM	#24 (permalink)
L33T35T 4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fountain Valley, CA (so cali) Posts: 2,005	how many miles? __________________ 95 4Runner SR5 3.0l. V6 2 wheel drive baby! 31" Bridgeston Dueler A/T Revos. Downey 1.5 Coils. Doetsch MV-12 Shocks. Brembo Rotors. Performance Friction Pads. Pioneer head unit with 1 12" Pioneer woofer. XM Radio. RB Headlight Harness w/ Sylvania SilverStars New to the family: 85 4Runner 22RE, 4x4, 5 spd, SFA. 31" BFG All Terrain T/A KOs, genuine Walmart seat covers, "Dual" stereo, XM Radio, RB Headlight Harness w/ Sylvania SilverStars. Onboard air. Has been seafoamed to hell

04-30-2006, 03:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
84sr5yoty Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pleasanton Ca Posts: 677	Well, the best thing to do is a compression check. If one of the cylinders comes out low, squirt some oil down the plughole and take another reading. If the reading doesn't change, you either have a leaky valve or a bad head gasket.

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