rears up front

4x4YOTA · 11-25-2008, 06:40 PM

ok I know this question is alwasy asked but I cant find the answer I need...

my question is how much lift will stock rears up front give me without adding any leafs just the stockpack minus the over loads and how do they ride like that? I have read that its a lil bouncy so ppl add leafs but they add up to 4 different leafs and lifts the truck way to high! I dont want any more than 3-3.5" of total lift and would like to know before I start tearing my truck apart and find out Im not going to get what I am looking for.

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fdizz · 11-25-2008, 07:01 PM

i just finished my 63'''s in the rear so this is my next project... ive been told to find another rear spring set and take leaves from it to make 6 total leaves for each spring...?

4Crawler · 11-25-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4YOTA

ok I know this question is alwasy asked but I cant find the answer I need...

my question is how much lift will stock rears up front give me without adding any leafs just the stockpack minus the over loads and how do they ride like that? I have read that its a lil bouncy so ppl add leafs but they add up to 4 different leafs and lifts the truck way to high! I dont want any more than 3-3.5" of total lift and would like to know before I start tearing my truck apart and find out Im not going to get what I am looking for.

Likely 0" lift with just a stock rear pack. You'll probably need to add some leaves to get any lift:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_suspe...l#Update-part3

4x4YOTA · 11-25-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Crawler

Likely 0" lift with just a stock rear pack. You'll probably need to add some leaves to get any lift:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_suspe...l#Update-part3

how many leaves will I need to add to get about 1" lift and from what leaf pack

4x4YOTA · 11-25-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fdizz

i just finished my 63'''s in the rear so this is my next project... ive been told to find another rear spring set and take leaves from it to make 6 total leaves for each spring...?

how much lift will that give you

4Crawler · 11-25-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4YOTA

how many leaves will I need to add to get about 1" lift and from what leaf pack

You can read my web page and find out. I got about 1" of lift with 6 leaves from 2 rear packs:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_suspe...l#Update-part2

4x4YOTA · 11-25-2008, 07:57 PM

ok great your write up helps me out alot! Im gonna run as close to the exact leaf pack you are to get about the same .5-1" lift I am looking for

4x4YOTA · 11-26-2008, 09:23 PM

OK so anther question can I do rears up front but use my stock front main leaf so I don't have to buy banana shackles and keep the overall length the same for steering or does that defeat the whole purpose?

algranger · 11-26-2008, 10:18 PM

just buy some pro comp springs for the front they are cheap

SpecialScottie · 11-26-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4x4YOTA

OK so anther question can I do rears up front but use my stock front main leaf so I don't have to buy banana shackles and keep the overall length the same for steering or does that defeat the whole purpose?

Id like to know also

4x4YOTA · 11-26-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by algranger

just buy some pro comp springs for the front they are cheap

they give me more lift than I want I want to be able to use what I have and just add to it rather than start over

ozziesironmanoffroad · 11-27-2008, 07:16 AM

just dont use blocks in ANY situation.

**dropzone** · 11-27-2008, 07:25 AM

here is a tread that might give you some other ideas:
Rears up Front Frequently asked Questions link

oldgold3vze · 11-27-2008, 06:33 PM

It's more complex than just putting a set of rear leaves up front. You definitely need an aftermarket shackle, around 5" eye to eye, you need to relocate the shock hoops, a drop front hanger helps a lot, and if you build this pack to only yield 1" of lift it will be extremely under-sprung and ride very soft, often reverse arching the springs. You might want to consider some $160 OME springs, because by the time it's all said and done you will have spent over that on your RUF swap, I promise. Also, different rears offer different amounts of lift, as Roger mentioned in his very well written article posted above.

4x4YOTA · 11-27-2008, 07:40 PM

see this is what I am looking for!

I was also wondering about getting a rear set and just adding them to my stock front main leaf because the rears have more arch then the fronts

here are my springs

4x4YOTA · 11-28-2008, 08:51 AM

what about using YJ leafs up front will that work?

oldgold3vze · 11-28-2008, 02:13 PM

You could just get some random leaf packs that are 2 1/2" wide and start adding to your stock pack, sure. It'll probably help with the lift, but I'm sure it'll ride pretty stiff. I see you already have some pretty long shackles, so those would probably work better with a more arched leaf pack. Just start experimenting, it's way more fun than surfing the forums all day to see what other people have done.

Here's my rears up front...

40s with lots of trimming, probably 5-6" lft.

fdizz · 11-28-2008, 06:14 PM

^ what did you add to make your spring pack? what are you doing for rears? chevies?

oldgold3vze · 11-29-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fdizz

^ what did you add to make your spring pack? what are you doing for rears? chevies?

Spring pack from top to bottom:
-1980 rear
-1980 rear
-trimmed down 89 pick up rear
-1980 rear with clamp
-trimmed down 89
-trimmed down 89

The 1980 rear leaves have way more un weighted arch than the 84-89. My first rears up front pack used the main leaves from an 88 4runner, and I got about 2" less lift, but it was only a 5 leaf pack.

Rears are chevys with a 6" shackle and an (ahem) 1" block. The bed of the truck sits 100% perfectly level, that's part of the reason I used the block, plus my u-bolts had about 1" of exposed threads, and I'm trying to make sure those 40s don't rub.

4x4YOTA · 11-29-2008, 05:51 PM

ok so I guess what I have decided is just get a set of 3" pro comp leafs and mix them with my stock leafs to get a softer and lower ride for cheap

11-25-2008, 07:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) [OP] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 1,119	ok great your write up helps me out alot! Im gonna run as close to the exact leaf pack you are to get about the same .5-1" lift I am looking for __________________ 81 Toyota PU 4x4 Daily Driver 81 Toyota PU SR5 4x4 Parting out (pm for info) Last edited by 4x4YOTA; 11-25-2008 at 08:00 PM.

11-26-2008, 09:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) [OP] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 1,119	OK so anther question can I do rears up front but use my stock front main leaf so I don't have to buy banana shackles and keep the overall length the same for steering or does that defeat the whole purpose? __________________ 81 Toyota PU 4x4 Daily Driver 81 Toyota PU SR5 4x4 Parting out (pm for info)

11-26-2008, 10:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
algranger Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Here in the PNW Posts: 3,372	just buy some pro comp springs for the front they are cheap __________________ . . . DIRTY DIESEL She aint purrin, She's damn sure growlin . . . .

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ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,985	just dont use blocks in ANY situation. __________________ 2001 Ford F-150 6" lift 315x85x16 tires. (37x13.50s???) 4.6L V8 bumping stereo I love it MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? the toyota is gone... its been fun..

11-27-2008, 07:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
dropzone Fossilizing Personal Sales Rating: (3) Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PNW, rusting away Posts: 13,782	here is a tread that might give you some other ideas: Rears up Front Frequently asked Questions link __________________ ~robb '81 Toyota Trekker The B4Runner Mini FAQ/Ideas PNW wheeler group: Gitout.Com

11-25-2008, 07:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
fdizz Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: roy, washington Posts: 23	i just finished my 63'''s in the rear so this is my next project... ive been told to find another rear spring set and take leaves from it to make 6 total leaves for each spring...?

11-27-2008, 06:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
oldgold3vze Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 338	It's more complex than just putting a set of rear leaves up front. You definitely need an aftermarket shackle, around 5" eye to eye, you need to relocate the shock hoops, a drop front hanger helps a lot, and if you build this pack to only yield 1" of lift it will be extremely under-sprung and ride very soft, often reverse arching the springs. You might want to consider some $160 OME springs, because by the time it's all said and done you will have spent over that on your RUF swap, I promise. Also, different rears offer different amounts of lift, as Roger mentioned in his very well written article posted above. Last edited by oldgold3vze; 11-27-2008 at 06:38 PM.

11-27-2008, 07:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) [OP] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 1,119	see this is what I am looking for! I was also wondering about getting a rear set and just adding them to my stock front main leaf because the rears have more arch then the fronts here are my springs __________________ 81 Toyota PU 4x4 Daily Driver 81 Toyota PU SR5 4x4 Parting out (pm for info)

11-28-2008, 08:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) [OP] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 1,119	what about using YJ leafs up front will that work? __________________ 81 Toyota PU 4x4 Daily Driver 81 Toyota PU SR5 4x4 Parting out (pm for info)

11-28-2008, 02:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
oldgold3vze Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 338	You could just get some random leaf packs that are 2 1/2" wide and start adding to your stock pack, sure. It'll probably help with the lift, but I'm sure it'll ride pretty stiff. I see you already have some pretty long shackles, so those would probably work better with a more arched leaf pack. Just start experimenting, it's way more fun than surfing the forums all day to see what other people have done. Here's my rears up front... 40s with lots of trimming, probably 5-6" lft. Last edited by oldgold3vze; 11-28-2008 at 02:15 PM.

11-28-2008, 06:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
fdizz Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: roy, washington Posts: 23	^ what did you add to make your spring pack? what are you doing for rears? chevies?

11-29-2008, 05:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
4x4YOTA Registered User Personal Sales Rating: (1) [OP] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: colorado Posts: 1,119	ok so I guess what I have decided is just get a set of 3" pro comp leafs and mix them with my stock leafs to get a softer and lower ride for cheap __________________ 81 Toyota PU 4x4 Daily Driver 81 Toyota PU SR5 4x4 Parting out (pm for info)

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