concerns with front locker/axle strength

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 12:17 PM

So I spent the last 2 day searching and everything that i came up with referenced tire size.

I just acquired 2 3rd members with ARB lockers 5:29 gears and all hardware (lines switches compressor...) to install in my truck for 1100.00

(they look almost brand new) I currently have stock 4:10 in my truck so i gotta do them both at the same time. I want to get them in sooner then later but i am concerned about the breaking a BIRF. I have 32" tall tires which should be ok but if it is something I should be concerned about I want to upgrade the axles before I install the lockers.

I have never wheeled with lockers and I want to make sure I dont break something being stupid.

Do you guys think I should be ok with the stock birfs till i go to 35's and more lift in about 12 months or should I save up and do the birfs before now?

Thanks,

YoterUp · 10-09-2008, 12:27 PM

i would wait to do it all at once 5.29s and lockers with 32s is going to be a little much. just my opinion

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 12:30 PM

the truck hardly ever sees the freeway 1 or 2 times a month. If driven its under 45 miles per hour so I am not worried about that aspect. I am primarly concerened about breaking an axle while wheeling.

TOYOTA 1 · 10-09-2008, 12:36 PM

i think you would be fine with 32" tires, stock birfs are pretty stout imho. nothing compares to long-fields of course. if you have the money and the patience i say wait and do it all at once. it would be easier anyways. but if your like me and cant wait, just put them in and wheel the piss out of it until something breaks. then fix it/upgrade.

Tacoclimber · 10-09-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

i think you would be fine with 32" tires, stock birfs are pretty stout imho. nothing compares to long-fields of course. if you have the money and the patience i say wait and do it all at once. it would be easier anyways. but if your like me and cant wait, just put them in and wheel the piss out of it until something breaks. then fix it/upgrade.

With all due respect, I would disagree with the last part of your post TOY 1. If you plan on being out in the bush, wheeling hard, then you better hope you have the tough stuff on your rig. Stock birfs ARE tough... but locked, with 35's, hanging a tire and then coming down hard are enough to break them, potentially even with just 32's. All it takes is the right amount of force.
I think I would agree with the first idea you had...

To the OP:

Save up, do it right the first time. Learn from a lot of us that didn't and lived to regret it. I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck far from the road with a busted birf wishing I would have been patient and put in the good stuff....

Just my 2c.

JasonWin · 10-09-2008, 01:07 PM

well they are selectible lockers, worried about breaking something just don't turn em on and you'll be fine. In my opinion I'd like to have them in there just in case you needed em.

Matt16 · 10-09-2008, 01:16 PM

Frankly, if never use 4x4 on the road, I'd do an auto locker as the allow one wheel to travel faster around corners, so if you need to be locked, and are going around a corner, the selectable in this case would probably be easier on axles.

IFS truck (slightly weaker axles) are supposed to handle tires up to a 33 while locked. I think you'll be fine with stock birfs.

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 01:28 PM

its gonna take me 4-6 months to get the funds for the longfields cause I am also about to start the 22r to 22re swap. Anybody else running a locked front axle on stock axles...besides bringing a tire down how else have you guys broken axles so I know what to look out for?

Thanks

TOYOTA 1 · 10-09-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tacoclimber

With all due respect, I would disagree with the last part of your post TOY 1. If you plan on being out in the bush, wheeling hard, then you better hope you have the tough stuff on your rig. Stock birfs ARE tough... but locked, with 35's, hanging a tire and then coming down hard are enough to break them, potentially even with just 32's. All it takes is the right amount of force.
I think I would agree with the first idea you had...

To the OP:

Save up, do it right the first time. Learn from a lot of us that didn't and lived to regret it. I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck far from the road with a busted birf wishing I would have been patient and put in the good stuff....

Just my 2c.

yea most people would lol.. i agree that doing it right the first time is the best way. but i believe that stock burfs would work just fine for the op. you would have to be beating the living snot out of your truck to break a birf with 32" tires. dont get me wrong it could happen. but chances are he would be fine.. i run stock birfs with 35"boggers, never broke one. ive busted my front pinion in half once and the axels held up fine!

TOYOTA 1 · 10-09-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1styota4X4

its gonna take me 4-6 months to get the funds for the longfields cause I am also about to start the 22r to 22re swap. Anybody else running a locked front axle on stock axles...besides bringing a tire down how else have you guys broken axles so I know what to look out for?

Thanks

thats about it, besides driving on the pavement locked up in 4 lo with the wheels turned all the way lol..

but i know you smarter than that

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TOYOTA 1

thats about it, besides driving on the pavement locked up in 4 lo with the wheels turned all the way lol..

but i know you smarter than that

I sure like to hope so...

Cool well I guess I will be putting them in the next 2 weeks. I gotta get new fluid I am gonna go royal purple for now got a good deal on some

Thanks

AxleIke · 10-09-2008, 01:49 PM

You will be fine.

I've got 4.88's on an IFS ARB'd front end, and haven't broken an axle yet. Granted, you are getting a bit more torque output.

However, the key here is the following:

KNOW YOUR SYSTEM AND DRIVE ACCORDINGLY. You have stock birfs: so, don't crank the wheel over full lock and then try and give it a bunch of gas while locked, and you'll be okay. Try not to hammer the gas or bounce the truck.

If you drive smart, you'll be just fine. However, make damn sure you know how to fix it if it breaks, and carry spare parts.

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 01:56 PM

I just rebulit the front axle (new seals throughout). I have crawled up some things here in texas were the front end has bounced but I was not giving it a lot of gas i guess I will just have to be more careful or chalk it up as a learning experience

TOYOTA 1 · 10-09-2008, 02:23 PM

you will be fine lol... just dint let those front tires come to far off the ground during a bounce. you dont want it to bounce at all really, but in rocks, dry dirt, "high traction surfaces" it will bounce/hop.

1styota4X4 · 10-09-2008, 02:37 PM

I was in a bunch of white rock and the it just hopped a couple times I couldn't imagine it hopped more then 4-6 inches in the air

nico · 10-09-2008, 02:54 PM

Lots of power + lots of throttle/aggro driving + low gears/big tires + lockers = boom.

Be careful and keep your foot out of it, and you should be fine.

1styota4X4 · 10-10-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nico

Lots of power + lots of throttle/aggro driving + low gears/big tires + lockers = boom.

I get what your saying but its a 22r lots of power

come on now lets not lie to ourselves

Tacoclimber · 10-10-2008, 08:06 AM

While lots of power will get you into trouble, where there seems to be the most breakage w/ front lockers is when the steering is locked, the truck bounces, allowing the free wheel to gain momentum, then coming back down hard. The wheel stops, but the birf (or, in the case of IFS, the CV axle) is still essentially turning. You really don't need a LOT of power for that to happen, just the right amount of torque.

You *should* be ok...but I guess the question is do want to hope you'll be ok, or know you'll be ok?

1styota4X4 · 10-10-2008, 08:17 AM

i would like to know i will be ok but i really want to wheel with lockers to see how much different it really is

10-09-2008, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	concerns with front locker/axle strength So I spent the last 2 day searching and everything that i came up with referenced tire size. I just acquired 2 3rd members with ARB lockers 5:29 gears and all hardware (lines switches compressor...) to install in my truck for 1100.00 (they look almost brand new) I currently have stock 4:10 in my truck so i gotta do them both at the same time. I want to get them in sooner then later but i am concerned about the breaking a BIRF. I have 32" tall tires which should be ok but if it is something I should be concerned about I want to upgrade the axles before I install the lockers. I have never wheeled with lockers and I want to make sure I dont break something being stupid. Do you guys think I should be ok with the stock birfs till i go to 35's and more lift in about 12 months or should I save up and do the birfs before now? Thanks, __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.

10-09-2008, 12:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	the truck hardly ever sees the freeway 1 or 2 times a month. If driven its under 45 miles per hour so I am not worried about that aspect. I am primarly concerened about breaking an axle while wheeling. __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.

10-09-2008, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
TOYOTA 1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: oregon Posts: 1,166	i think you would be fine with 32" tires, stock birfs are pretty stout imho. nothing compares to long-fields of course. if you have the money and the patience i say wait and do it all at once. it would be easier anyways. but if your like me and cant wait, just put them in and wheel the piss out of it until something breaks. then fix it/upgrade. __________________ 91 Toyota stdrd cab short bed 22re 5spd. sas'ed, Yukon 5:29's. 3.5" tuff country e-z ride springs in the front. 5" allpro long travels in the rear. pro comp es 9000 shocks, 12" tg long spline front d shaft. k&n, 35x10.50x15 boggers. cobra cb/ashtray mod, 3' fire stick. etc. 2000 Toyota Tacoma xtra cab sr5, 3"revtek,285/70/17 coopers stt, clear tails, injen short ram intake, obx header, flow master, etc. 2001 Toyota Camry, the girlfriends, www.22re.com

10-09-2008, 01:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	its gonna take me 4-6 months to get the funds for the longfields cause I am also about to start the 22r to 22re swap. Anybody else running a locked front axle on stock axles...besides bringing a tire down how else have you guys broken axles so I know what to look out for? Thanks __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.

10-09-2008, 01:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,535	You will be fine. I've got 4.88's on an IFS ARB'd front end, and haven't broken an axle yet. Granted, you are getting a bit more torque output. However, the key here is the following: KNOW YOUR SYSTEM AND DRIVE ACCORDINGLY. You have stock birfs: so, don't crank the wheel over full lock and then try and give it a bunch of gas while locked, and you'll be okay. Try not to hammer the gas or bounce the truck. If you drive smart, you'll be just fine. However, make damn sure you know how to fix it if it breaks, and carry spare parts. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

10-09-2008, 12:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
YoterUp Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: florida. Posts: 240	i would wait to do it all at once 5.29s and lockers with 32s is going to be a little much. just my opinion

10-09-2008, 01:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	I just rebulit the front axle (new seals throughout). I have crawled up some things here in texas were the front end has bounced but I was not giving it a lot of gas i guess I will just have to be more careful or chalk it up as a learning experience __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.

10-09-2008, 02:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
TOYOTA 1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: oregon Posts: 1,166	you will be fine lol... just dint let those front tires come to far off the ground during a bounce. you dont want it to bounce at all really, but in rocks, dry dirt, "high traction surfaces" it will bounce/hop. __________________ 91 Toyota stdrd cab short bed 22re 5spd. sas'ed, Yukon 5:29's. 3.5" tuff country e-z ride springs in the front. 5" allpro long travels in the rear. pro comp es 9000 shocks, 12" tg long spline front d shaft. k&n, 35x10.50x15 boggers. cobra cb/ashtray mod, 3' fire stick. etc. 2000 Toyota Tacoma xtra cab sr5, 3"revtek,285/70/17 coopers stt, clear tails, injen short ram intake, obx header, flow master, etc. 2001 Toyota Camry, the girlfriends, www.22re.com

10-09-2008, 02:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	I was in a bunch of white rock and the it just hopped a couple times I couldn't imagine it hopped more then 4-6 inches in the air __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.

10-09-2008, 02:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
nico Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Central California Posts: 108	Lots of power + lots of throttle/aggro driving + low gears/big tires + lockers = boom. Be careful and keep your foot out of it, and you should be fine. __________________ 1981 4WD SR5 Longbed - 22R - L52 - 4.88's - Detroits - 3" Downey springs - MV-12's - 34" LTB's

10-10-2008, 08:06 AM	#18 (permalink)
Tacoclimber Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Between a rock and a hard place, AZ Posts: 3,491	While lots of power will get you into trouble, where there seems to be the most breakage w/ front lockers is when the steering is locked, the truck bounces, allowing the free wheel to gain momentum, then coming back down hard. The wheel stops, but the birf (or, in the case of IFS, the CV axle) is still essentially turning. You really don't need a LOT of power for that to happen, just the right amount of torque. You should be ok...but I guess the question is do want to hope you'll be ok, or know you'll be ok? __________________ CJ ...<>< 03 DC TRD Tacoma 4wd with a bunch of junk. Just wheel the stupid thing!!! But do it responsibly, ok?

10-10-2008, 08:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
1styota4X4 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 480	i would like to know i will be ok but i really want to wheel with lockers to see how much different it really is __________________ 1995 4Runner 4X4 V6 SR5 1.5 BJ spacers, OME Shocks & steering dampener, Sonoran Steel IFS truss, Panhard drop bracket, Downey Headers and Y-pipe, Flowmaster muffler, WabFab Sliders, 285/75R16 Nitto Terragraplers, and a Marlin Crawler Clutch. 1983 Hilux 4X4 SR5 3" Rough Country Lift 32" Goodyear Wranglers. I have a pair of ARB lockers ready to go in with 5:29 gears, a fresh 22RE, & plan on going to either marlin or TG 5 in lift and 35's.