Looking at buying a welder. Anyone ever heard of...

toyospearo · 09-11-2009, 08:30 PM

I am looking to buy a 240 MIG welder. The new Miller 212 looks like a great setup. I have been training on an older Miller 210 and I am partial to this line.
I recently heard of ESAB and Everlast. The Everlast MIG line looks like a great rig at a reasonable price. I did a search on YT and didn't get any info on these. I am curious if any Yotatecher has heard or used this welder. I am looking at the Everlast Power IMIG 205. Below is a pic. Here is the link. http://www.everlastgenerators.com/Po...05-375-pd.html

Here is a weld I did this morning. This was with the Miller 210.

The Miller makes even a fool like me look like a decent welder. hahaha

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malteserunner · 09-11-2009, 08:55 PM

Don't know anything about that welder, sorry. Love my Miller though.

So, is that a teaser pic of your long awaited flatbed? Hope we get to see that thing soon.

toyospearo · 09-11-2009, 09:00 PM

YES!!! in fact that is the flatbed upside down. It is two days out from paint!!!
I can't wait. I have dodged the CHP for over a month ridin dirty with no bed or bumper.

I had to make sure my welds would hold up and look decent and that took me a while to get a handle on

malteserunner · 09-11-2009, 09:02 PM

Are you body matching the paint? Sorry for going off topic.

toyospearo · 09-11-2009, 09:07 PM

No worries going off topic.
I am painting the flatbed with an epoxy primer and a BMW under carriage satin black. It is super durable. This damn hillside I live on is the most rusty spot on the planet and I really don't want to work on this flatbed ever ever ever again

malteserunner · 09-11-2009, 09:13 PM

Should look great. Back on topic.

TurnerR · 09-11-2009, 09:18 PM

Hmm.... I know Esab are great, have used a TIG. I have no experience, or even know anyone with the Everlast. I used to not be this way, but the older I get the more I like to stick to big name brands that have been around forever. I try to buy American except when it comes to cars, trucks, and motorcycles. lol

annoyingrob · 09-11-2009, 09:26 PM

A lot of those "other" welders are made by the same chinese company, and sold under several diffrent names. You'll find a lot of people on a lot of forums have a veavily biased "buy American" mentality towards welders. Personally, I have had a chinese Tig/Plasma for a few years now, and the only problem I've had with it wa a broken on/off switch on the tig torch. For the price I paid, I've been quite happy with it.

**waskillywabbit** · 09-12-2009, 07:14 AM

Buy a good reputable easily serviceable welder. When it comes time to repair it or do maintenance you will be happy.

ESAB, Miller or Lincoln would be all I would buy. I see professional welders all day long and all we have in the shop are those three.

I have a Miller 251 that will weld just about anything metal and it is the best money I've spent for doing what I do on the heavier stuff.

For general welding I have a Lincoln Pro Mig 135 that I used just about everyday and all I do is replace consumables on it. This is my favorite welder by far.

I'd pass on that Everlast thing. Get a Miller or ESAB, even if they cost more, you want a welder that will last you forever, not one that will be junk in 2 years.

ScottyC · 09-12-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

Buy a good reputable easily serviceable welder. When it comes time to repair it or do maintenance you will be happy.

ESAB, Miller or Lincoln would be all I would buy. I see professional welders all day long and all we have in the shop are those three.

I have a Miller 251 that will weld just about anything metal and it is the best money I've spent for doing what I do on the heavier stuff.

For general welding I have a Lincoln Pro Mig 135 that I used just about everyday and all I do is replace consumables on it. This is my favorite welder by far.

I'd pass on that Everlast thing. Get a Miller or ESAB, even if they cost more, you want a welder that will last you forever, not one that will be junk in 2 years.

Hobart is a good entry level welder as well. Miller makes them. I definitely prefer them over a Lincoln of the same amperage. And, when you compare them, the duty cycle is very similar. IMO Lincolns aren't all that great until you get to the 215. Their guns are made in Mexico, and are extremely flimsy comapred to even the Hobart guns(which is a Miller gun).

This right here will do everything you need at the best price I have found for a 187.
http://www.ruralking.com/187mig-handler-welder.html

I just sold a Lincoln 175, because I was over dealing with the gun. I had replaced everything in it, and it still wouldn't feed smoothly. New tips, liner, etc.

My first welder was a Hobart 175. Can't count how many cages, bumpers, and even misc build ups I used that welder for. It was a great trouble free welder.

IMO, the Hobart and/or Miller are the way to go. I use a Miller 212 all day long, and its the best $$$ I have spent on a welder. I will be getting a 252 very soon as well with a spool gun for aluminum and stainless.

FWIW, you want a minimum of a 30% duty cycle welder. My 212 is a 60% duty cycle.

toyospearo · 09-12-2009, 08:09 AM

Thanks for all the info guys!!!
I know this topic has been beat to death and I appreciate the help!
The Hobart 187 looks like the best deal and product for what I am doing.
Thats a great price on it as well.

tmcorbin · 09-12-2009, 07:14 PM

I recently invested in the Millermatic 211dv and so far I love it. Like you said about Miller, they can make even a flunky like me look like they know something about welding. One of the things I love about the 211 is I can take it just about anywhere. As long as there is either 115v 20amp or 230v 30amp. I installed both in my garage. An electrician talked me out of installing the 30amp for 230v, and insisted I instal a 50amp. Should not matter as the 211 has a breaker in it as well.

This morning I received an email from my sons band teacher asking if I would come and help them make some carts for speakers and amps for marching band. He said they had everything we needed, steel, welding machine, grinder, and the like. They just needed someone that could weld. I went, they have a lincoln 140 taped, with .035 flux core. The outlet they are running it on must not be a 20amp circuit, we were only working with 14 ga square tubing, but it would not get a good burn in. Checked that it was running on the right polarity, it was. I know .035 is heavy for that light of steel. I tried to deal with it for about two hours, then said I need to go to my house and get some tools. Came home and loaded up the MM211, 75/25, and went back. Plugged it in, and ran pretty good beads for them all day. Like I said the circuit was not pumping out a lot of amps, it would not supprise me if was only a 10amp circuit, even the 211 was cranked all the way up with the wire speed only set on 2. But it worked and the carts look good without a lot of spatter.

Long story short the 211 is well worth the money, and the flexibility to have either a 115v 180amp or 230v portable welder with a great duty cycle is worth everything I paid for it.

09-11-2009, 08:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
malteserunner Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 520	Don't know anything about that welder, sorry. Love my Miller though. So, is that a teaser pic of your long awaited flatbed? Hope we get to see that thing soon. __________________ 87 4Runner, 22re, 5 spd, 4.88, ARB rear, Mile Marker PE8000, Downey Header, TG Sliders, 3" BL, Home Fab Front and Rear Bumper, WabFab Bikini Top, Rustoleum OD Green. Build Thread 98 Tacoma Prerunner, 2.7, 340k. 91 4Runner, V6. 5 speed, Pro Comp lift, 33's, Rock Crawlers. Sold. Parting Out- 97 T-100

09-11-2009, 09:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,577	YES!!! in fact that is the flatbed upside down. It is two days out from paint!!! I can't wait. I have dodged the CHP for over a month ridin dirty with no bed or bumper. I had to make sure my welds would hold up and look decent and that took me a while to get a handle on __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 09-11-2009 at 09:13 PM.

09-11-2009, 09:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
malteserunner Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 520	Are you body matching the paint? Sorry for going off topic. __________________ 87 4Runner, 22re, 5 spd, 4.88, ARB rear, Mile Marker PE8000, Downey Header, TG Sliders, 3" BL, Home Fab Front and Rear Bumper, WabFab Bikini Top, Rustoleum OD Green. Build Thread 98 Tacoma Prerunner, 2.7, 340k. 91 4Runner, V6. 5 speed, Pro Comp lift, 33's, Rock Crawlers. Sold. Parting Out- 97 T-100

09-11-2009, 09:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,577	No worries going off topic. I am painting the flatbed with an epoxy primer and a BMW under carriage satin black. It is super durable. This damn hillside I live on is the most rusty spot on the planet and I really don't want to work on this flatbed ever ever ever again __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 09-11-2009 at 09:08 PM.

09-11-2009, 09:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
malteserunner Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 520	Should look great. Back on topic. __________________ 87 4Runner, 22re, 5 spd, 4.88, ARB rear, Mile Marker PE8000, Downey Header, TG Sliders, 3" BL, Home Fab Front and Rear Bumper, WabFab Bikini Top, Rustoleum OD Green. Build Thread 98 Tacoma Prerunner, 2.7, 340k. 91 4Runner, V6. 5 speed, Pro Comp lift, 33's, Rock Crawlers. Sold. Parting Out- 97 T-100

09-11-2009, 09:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
TurnerR Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cleveland, TN Posts: 109	Hmm.... I know Esab are great, have used a TIG. I have no experience, or even know anyone with the Everlast. I used to not be this way, but the older I get the more I like to stick to big name brands that have been around forever. I try to buy American except when it comes to cars, trucks, and motorcycles. lol __________________ 1996 Tacoma, Standard Cab, 2.7, 5 speed, 31x10.50 A/Ts SOLD 2008 scion xD 2007 Honda cbr600rr 1970 Ford Bronco

09-11-2009, 09:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
annoyingrob Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 649	A lot of those "other" welders are made by the same chinese company, and sold under several diffrent names. You'll find a lot of people on a lot of forums have a veavily biased "buy American" mentality towards welders. Personally, I have had a chinese Tig/Plasma for a few years now, and the only problem I've had with it wa a broken on/off switch on the tig torch. For the price I paid, I've been quite happy with it. __________________ 86 SR5 Turbo pickup Fiberglass bed, Fiberglass Fenders. 91 1.5JZ GT40 Supra. 77 Celica Liftback. (WTB: 20R Carb!)

09-12-2009, 07:14 AM	#9 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,548	Buy a good reputable easily serviceable welder. When it comes time to repair it or do maintenance you will be happy. ESAB, Miller or Lincoln would be all I would buy. I see professional welders all day long and all we have in the shop are those three. I have a Miller 251 that will weld just about anything metal and it is the best money I've spent for doing what I do on the heavier stuff. For general welding I have a Lincoln Pro Mig 135 that I used just about everyday and all I do is replace consumables on it. This is my favorite welder by far. I'd pass on that Everlast thing. Get a Miller or ESAB, even if they cost more, you want a welder that will last you forever, not one that will be junk in 2 years. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

09-12-2009, 08:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,577	Thanks for all the info guys!!! I know this topic has been beat to death and I appreciate the help! The Hobart 187 looks like the best deal and product for what I am doing. Thats a great price on it as well. __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/ Last edited by toyospearo; 09-12-2009 at 08:13 AM.

09-12-2009, 07:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
tmcorbin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 149	I recently invested in the Millermatic 211dv and so far I love it. Like you said about Miller, they can make even a flunky like me look like they know something about welding. One of the things I love about the 211 is I can take it just about anywhere. As long as there is either 115v 20amp or 230v 30amp. I installed both in my garage. An electrician talked me out of installing the 30amp for 230v, and insisted I instal a 50amp. Should not matter as the 211 has a breaker in it as well. This morning I received an email from my sons band teacher asking if I would come and help them make some carts for speakers and amps for marching band. He said they had everything we needed, steel, welding machine, grinder, and the like. They just needed someone that could weld. I went, they have a lincoln 140 taped, with .035 flux core. The outlet they are running it on must not be a 20amp circuit, we were only working with 14 ga square tubing, but it would not get a good burn in. Checked that it was running on the right polarity, it was. I know .035 is heavy for that light of steel. I tried to deal with it for about two hours, then said I need to go to my house and get some tools. Came home and loaded up the MM211, 75/25, and went back. Plugged it in, and ran pretty good beads for them all day. Like I said the circuit was not pumping out a lot of amps, it would not supprise me if was only a 10amp circuit, even the 211 was cranked all the way up with the wire speed only set on 2. But it worked and the carts look good without a lot of spatter. Long story short the 211 is well worth the money, and the flexibility to have either a 115v 180amp or 230v portable welder with a great duty cycle is worth everything I paid for it. __________________ 85 4runner 22re, 170K, clean and straight. Still working through 20 years of scheduled maint. Future plans, engbldr street RV head, cam and OS valves, engbldr over haul kit, Marlin Crawler trany rebuild kit, T-case rebuild, 2" lift, interior, repaint. Currently 20mpg, Sound great, using 1qt of oil every two days.

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