Topless4Runner feedback, So did I get screwed

rosetree · 03-20-2008, 05:01 PM

You tell me, and if you have an idea, please let me know!...

In November of last year, I sent money to another member of Yotatech, Topless4Runner, for a soft top that he was going to fabricate for my 87 4Runner. You can read the conversation leading up to the deal here >>>>>

http://www.yotatech.com/f109/4runner-soft-top-112177/

I sent him my money through paypal. Everything was going great (or so I thought). He finished another top for another Yotatech member, and mine was almost done. Then, all communications from him stopped....Dead.... I emailed him, I PMed him from the site, paypal sent him an email, Amex couldn't because the payment was past 90 days.
His last communication to me was on 12/03/07. I have tried tracing him, to no avail. I know that he is reading my PMs, and that he has been on this site as recently as 10 days ago.....
So what do I do??? Do I just eat the $600??? I can't believe that I was so trusting, but you get caught up in the whole "family" thing of people on forums, it never crossed my mind that I would be screwed....

If any of you know Jeff and are in contact with him, please let me know.

Thank you ......

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wjwerdna · 03-20-2008, 05:08 PM

post the actual link not the link the the search results

'884Runner · 03-20-2008, 06:32 PM

Ouch!! Looks like he went through a lot of trouble playing you guys. I don't understand why after going through that whole process of stuff, why he just dropped off... unless he wanted to get the money in hand from several people. That really sucks. I hope something works out with that.

rathead · 03-20-2008, 07:17 PM

Don't eat the $600 whatever you do. It's no use trying to get in touch with this Jeff if he doesn't want it to happen.

I'd call AMEX again, that's bs about 90 days, threaten to cancel your account with them, talk to as high up a manager as possible, keep B*#$@ing to they give in. Get your money back.

**DeathCougar** · 03-20-2008, 07:24 PM

Post it in the right section first of all, then we can see about going after him.

Not being a mod or admin, i cant really tell you what can be done. I got screwed for $100 over on MR2OC.com, and nothing could be done about it.

Talk to AMEX again, see what can be done.

Meanwhile, contact a mod and see what can be done if anything. Often times on boards like this, pressure from other members will get the person to follow through. And if it starts to come down to it, you can im sure you can take legal action against him.

Im reminded of a certain legendary Pirate4x4 thread that worked out in the end for the person who got screwed over...

**DeathCougar** · 03-20-2008, 07:28 PM

well here is his Profile:

http://www.yotatech.com/members/23096.html

Lets get some emails out to him

jpmorgan88 · 03-20-2008, 07:38 PM

I sent him one. That pisses me off.

wjwerdna · 03-20-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Im reminded of a certain legendary Pirate4x4 thread that worked out in the end for the person who got screwed over...

o god =) I think I remember the same one... or some other legendary thread of same subject

**DeathCougar** · 03-20-2008, 08:25 PM

Not trying to get the guy flooded with Emails, but if he accidently blocked RoseTree, he needs to know that he has to pay up, or get the parts sent.

metalhed · 03-20-2008, 08:36 PM

that was charlie wentzel, on pirate, selling gears

wjwerdna · 03-20-2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalhed

that was charlie wentzel, on pirate, selling gears

lol, yep.... hopefully rosetree didn't get "wenzel'd"

So official:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wenzel
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wenzeled
I remember reading about the whole story of this, quite interesting

nix4x4 · 03-20-2008, 08:52 PM

Man, that sucks.
I have limited experience buying from other members here, but
I have bought things before, through PayPal, and the members have been
nothing but a joy to work with. Shame you got the one guy in one hundred
who is in it to con you out of money.

Be sure and keep us updated on what happens.

CJM · 03-20-2008, 08:55 PM

Paypal can get your cash back if the other party has the cash in thier account.

rosetree · 03-20-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjwerdna

post the actual link not the link the the search results

Sorry....here's the whole thread...and I fixed the original post.

http://www.yotatech.com/f109/4runner-soft-top-112177/

rosetree · 03-20-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Post it in the right section first of all, then we can see about going after him.

Not being a mod or admin, i cant really tell you what can be done. I got screwed for $100 over on MR2OC.com, and nothing could be done about it.

Talk to AMEX again, see what can be done.

Meanwhile, contact a mod and see what can be done if anything. Often times on boards like this, pressure from other members will get the person to follow through. And if it starts to come down to it, you can im sure you can take legal action against him.

Im reminded of a certain legendary Pirate4x4 thread that worked out in the end for the person who got screwed over...

I'm sorry, what is the right section to post it in?..and can I transfer this thread there?

I spoke to a moderator, and was told that there is nothing that they can do. There are disclaimers,and I understand why they are in place, that don't hold them responsible (not that I would). They won't contact Topless4Runner, but suggested that posting something on the forum might help.
As for legal action, it gets complicated because he lives in Canada.

BTW, what happened in the Pirate 4x4 incident?

rosetree · 03-20-2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJM

Paypal can get your cash back if the other party has the cash in thier account.

Are you sure? They told me that they could not get my money back.

TomCat · 03-20-2008, 09:15 PM

You can also file a claim through your bank or credit card company. It would be a merchant dispute and the 90 days thing doesn't matter, it's the date you were expecting to receive the merchandise and/or the date you last attempted to resolve with the merchant.

I work fraud/merchant dispute cases for a bank, but we are signed with Visa, not AMEX. Still, the rules and regs should be close to the same.

CyMoN · 03-20-2008, 11:01 PM

did you email toona and see if he got his top

may want to google the town where he lives and find a yellow pages and call all of the boat top places and see if they know of him with a little leg work you could find him or the shop.

rosetree · 03-20-2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyMoN

did you email toona and see if he got his top

may want to google the town where he lives and find a yellow pages and call all of the boat top places and see if they know of him with a little leg work you could find him or the shop.

I was PMing toona about the whole thing, but have not heard from him since 2/25...He was going to send me pix when he put his on and didn't...
I googled sailmakers in New Brunswick and called them (3) and no one had heard of him.
This is why I'm so frustrated, I'm coming up with dead ends...

98runner210 · 03-20-2008, 11:48 PM

i work for a bank too. banks will look at this either way. Most banks wont be able to assist you. Usually they will only do something if it was a transaction you didn't authorize. In this case it was authorized by you, so it is going to be between you and the merchant. Why would the bank take a loss for this?

Not to be rude but just saying...

**DeathCougar** · 03-20-2008, 11:57 PM

you posted it in the forsale section.

Try the buyer/seller feedback section, or the off topic section.

CyMoN · 03-21-2008, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rosetree

I was PMing toona about the whole thing, but have not heard from him since 2/25...He was going to send me pix when he put his on and didn't...
I googled sailmakers in New Brunswick and called them (3) and no one had heard of him.
This is why I'm so frustrated, I'm coming up with dead ends...

so when you talked to toona he did get his?

I have to say there is a little hope if he got his but the time frame is awful look back through his sample pics might be a plate number to run. <never mind I looked at his image shack pics and they all have been blurred out.

did you pay him through paypal if so you should have his full name and could find him in the yellow pages I would think

rosetree · 03-21-2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

you posted it in the forsale section.

Try the buyer/seller feedback section, or the off topic section.

Thanks...
Would it be bad manners to just re-post it there?

rosetree · 03-21-2008, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyMoN

so when you talked to toona he did get his?

I have to say there is a little hope if he got his but the time frame is awful look back through his sample pics might be a plate number to run.

toona said he got his, but after problems too.
As I said, toona said he was going to send me pix but didn't and hasn't answered my last PMs.

**DeathCougar** · 03-21-2008, 12:55 AM

No bad manners at all. A fellow YT member got worked over, and we have a problem with that. Post it up!

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03-20-2008, 07:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
rathead Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 31	Don't eat the $600 whatever you do. It's no use trying to get in touch with this Jeff if he doesn't want it to happen. I'd call AMEX again, that's bs about 90 days, threaten to cancel your account with them, talk to as high up a manager as possible, keep B*#$@ing to they give in. Get your money back. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander, E-Locker, 265/75 Nitto Terragrapplers, dual memphis 10's, more to come

03-20-2008, 07:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
jpmorgan88 Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Grants Pass, OR Posts: 34	I sent him one. That pisses me off. __________________ 2000 4Runner SR5 4X4, 103,000k, 3" Revtek lift, 285/75/R16 Dick Cepek, ISR Mod, DRL Mod.

03-20-2008, 08:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
metalhed Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Golden Colorado Posts: 380	that was charlie wentzel, on pirate, selling gears __________________ Metalhed Rock on Dude! 2001 Red Tacoma, Supercharged, Auto 2" OME lift in front and AAL in the rear

03-20-2008, 08:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
nix4x4 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I'm an Ohio boy! Posts: 1,212	Man, that sucks. I have limited experience buying from other members here, but I have bought things before, through PayPal, and the members have been nothing but a joy to work with. Shame you got the one guy in one hundred who is in it to con you out of money. Be sure and keep us updated on what happens. __________________ 1992 Xtra Cab 3.0/5-speed Work in progress..

03-20-2008, 06:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
'884Runner Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GA Posts: 174	Ouch!! Looks like he went through a lot of trouble playing you guys. I don't understand why after going through that whole process of stuff, why he just dropped off... unless he wanted to get the money in hand from several people. That really sucks. I hope something works out with that.

03-20-2008, 08:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
CJM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central NJ Posts: 4,561	Paypal can get your cash back if the other party has the cash in thier account. __________________ 96' T100 SR5 4x4, ISR mod, Custom ABS snorkel, KC 57's Hella optilux el cheapo backup lights. Cobra 19III CB, Firestick 4ft antenna, Bilstein shocks. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

03-20-2008, 09:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
TomCat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chandler, Arizona Posts: 56	You can also file a claim through your bank or credit card company. It would be a merchant dispute and the 90 days thing doesn't matter, it's the date you were expecting to receive the merchandise and/or the date you last attempted to resolve with the merchant. I work fraud/merchant dispute cases for a bank, but we are signed with Visa, not AMEX. Still, the rules and regs should be close to the same.

03-20-2008, 11:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
CyMoN Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: INDIANA Posts: 2,164	did you email toona and see if he got his top may want to google the town where he lives and find a yellow pages and call all of the boat top places and see if they know of him with a little leg work you could find him or the shop. __________________ my rigs 89 4runner 1989 4runner v6 5 speed everything factory +4susplift running bfg 31s and a aux gas tank and more aux lights than needed 86 pickup 1986 stock pickup 22r 31.10 BFG ATs flatbed a sad day for the 4runner "One moment of patience may ward off great disaster. One moment of impatience may ruin a whole life."

03-20-2008, 11:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
98runner210 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 778	i work for a bank too. banks will look at this either way. Most banks wont be able to assist you. Usually they will only do something if it was a transaction you didn't authorize. In this case it was authorized by you, so it is going to be between you and the merchant. Why would the bank take a loss for this? Not to be rude but just saying... __________________ '98 4Runner Limited White w/ silver flares

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