BV Carnage 8/11/07

Volcom · 08-12-2007, 10:54 PM

Trail Length - 0.88 of a mile
Time it took us to get 5 rigs through it - 12 HOURS

Ranked as CO's 3rd toughest trail (Tied with Patriot - Indy), it's the last time I try a trail like that on 33" crappy bald tires. Those rocks are huge

Here's our entire trip thread
BV Carnage

Here's a couple of pictures and video of the trail

Jeff at the entrance

Aaron at the second obstacle

Jeff on the 2nd obstacle

Jeff - Entrance

Aaron - Entrance

Jeff on V-Notch

Jeff

Jeff at the exit

Me posing in front of my stuck 4Runner

Here's my before and after pictures

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Cmadness · 08-13-2007, 01:24 AM

Wow, that looks pretty extreme. Great driving there and some cool rigs.

Elvota · 08-13-2007, 01:39 AM

That trail looks like it has some really big teeth... to say the least.

Can't believe that white 4Runner still has it's rear glass after some of those lines... especially the notch.

Great videos. Very impressive.

Symon623 · 08-13-2007, 06:11 AM

Nice trail, and driving, but keep the peeps away from the winch cable while winching, last vid. Ruins a great day real quick if teh cable breaks.

Volcom · 08-13-2007, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmadness

Wow, that looks pretty extreme. Great driving there and some cool rigs.

It's as extreme as I'll get for a while

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

That trail looks like it has some really big teeth... to say the least.

Can't believe that white 4Runner still has it's rear glass after some of those lines... especially the notch.

Great videos. Very impressive.

Big teeth and some huge rocks to climb over. There's 2 obstacles that are unreal, the V-Notch and the exit. Both scared me when we rolled up to them

We made sure to keep his glass away from those rocks. We did quite a bit of pushing and pulling of the strap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Symon623

Nice trail, and driving, but keep the peeps away from the winch cable while winching, last vid. Ruins a great day real quick if teh cable breaks.

Thanks for the heads up. He's running line, no steel cable.

cubuff4runner · 08-13-2007, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

That trail looks like it has some really big teeth... to say the least.

Can't believe that white 4Runner still has it's rear glass after some of those lines... especially the notch.

Great videos. Very impressive.

I was amazed to come out of that trail with not a scratch on my body paint. The tube work did it's job. It was a good time, but not high on my list of trails to go back to soon.

cubuff4runner · 08-13-2007, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Symon623

Nice trail, and driving, but keep the peeps away from the winch cable while winching, last vid. Ruins a great day real quick if teh cable breaks.

As Volcom said it is a syn line so no whipping of the line. The winch line was more of a safety line and was helpful a couple of times for a nudge. It needed to be moved a couple of times to keep it out of the rocks and in line. Your right, need to be very careful...

Ric · 08-13-2007, 08:18 AM

wooooow awesome, thankx soooo much for sharing the pics...

I think my rig is ready for BV Carnage

(hope you all know IM kidding)

tc · 08-13-2007, 08:38 AM

Was it crowded or was there carnage? 12 hrs seems like a long time even for that "trail"!

I think I would invest in some armor before bigger tires Volcom ... no matter how big the rig, the rocks are always bigger!

cubuff4runner · 08-13-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Was it crowded or was there carnage? 12 hrs seems like a long time even for that "trail"!

I think I would invest in some armor before bigger tires Volcom ... no matter how big the rig, the rocks are always bigger!

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We were the only ones on the trail luckily. It took a long time mostly because the trail isn't a couple of obsticals with a trail connecting them. Almost the entire trail is a continuous obstical.

Volcom · 08-13-2007, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

Was it crowded or was there carnage? 12 hrs seems like a long time even for that "trail"!

I think I would invest in some armor before bigger tires Volcom ... no matter how big the rig, the rocks are always bigger!

We were the only rigs on the trail. Here's the full list of damage and Carnage.

Becky and Tom:
Scratched paint on drivers side fender flares (flare portion)

Aaron:
Heavy drivers side body damage (to the point the drivers door does not fit)
Tail hatch has some serious twicking
Front fender damage
Front Grille, headlight facia, and corner light

Eric:
Broken front short side axle shaft
Body damage to the right rear quarter
Broken left rear taillights
Dented window frame

Terry:
Broken left front hub
Crushed in driver door
Unknown engine problems after ramming into a very large rock

Don:
Made it about 50 feet when we realized that his front ARB did not engage

Jeff:
Scratched paint down both drivers side tube doors
Bent/Dented B-pillar
Cut valve stem

The broken hub and front axle shaft repairs took an hour and a half to fix.

Yeah, the truck now needs some armor. I have been waiting to figure out what I was going to do EXO-wise before I built up a front and rear bumper. I have the tubing bender in my garage, just no money or time to use it.

I'll be armored with bigger tires before I try that trail again

Volcom · 08-13-2007, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ric

I think my rig is ready for BV Carnage

Let me know when you want me to drive it through

I'm good with the custom bodywork

Mayhem · 08-13-2007, 02:02 PM

Jeff, you're 4runner is sick.... nice work

Ric · 08-13-2007, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Let me know when you want me to drive it through

thankx for the offer, but if ANYONE is going to take my runner through Carnage, its going to be ME

I apreciate it thou

Elvota · 08-13-2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubuff4runner

I was amazed to come out of that trail with not a scratch on my body paint. The tube work did it's job. It was a good time, but not high on my list of trails to go back to soon.

I saw the tube door damage. Shows they are well designed and fabbed.

Do you ever swap the full doors back on, or is it now full time tube? If you do swap back, how do you manage all the electronic connections?

cubuff4runner · 08-14-2007, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

I saw the tube door damage. Shows they are well designed and fabbed.

Do you ever swap the full doors back on, or is it now full time tube? If you do swap back, how do you manage all the electronic connections?

I swap them back and forth. They both use the same hinges. All of the doors come with electrical plugs stock. If you remove the kick panel on the front there are two plugs you diconnect and the wiring all comes out. The rears have one plug.

Flygtenstein · 08-14-2007, 08:12 AM

That is a bomber trail for sure.

Good driving and careful attention to keep that glass in tact. I have never seen a bodied truck go through there clean without many hours or huge effort.

Good driving, great trail.

cubuff4runner · 08-14-2007, 08:53 AM

We ran the trail with people who had done it last year and all they kept saying was "I don't remember this obstical" or " we went through this with no problem" You could tell a very large storm hit the area and washed out a lot of debris just by looking at the area below the entry to the trail. After comparing some pics from last year you can see how washed out it is now.

V Notch last year

This weekend

Exit Last Year

This Weekend

Volcom · 08-14-2007, 10:02 AM

More pics

This was where I got the majority of my body damage.

It felt little tippy but wasn't too bad. After looking at the pictures, that's some crazy angle!

CubuffRunner navigating the exit.

Elvota · 08-14-2007, 11:15 AM

Those are some amazing before and afters.

Doesn't even look like the same trail. Some major erosion there. I can see how the ones who did it before would be confused now.

Even more impressive such "minimal" damage was incurred.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom

Volcom... those are the stickiest bald 33's I have ever seen. That is such a ridiculous shot!!

Avsguy33 · 08-14-2007, 05:34 PM

holy crap, that is a serious trail. I need a lot mroe expierence with mine before even attempting something like that.

Question for you guys, are most of you guys autos or sticks. I've been driving a stick for years but felt like a retard when we went through carnage boulder just being at the angles and working the clutch. Gona need some more seat time on some less wicked stuff before I go up there.

Volcom · 08-14-2007, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avsguy33

holy crap, that is a serious trail. I need a lot mroe expierence with mine before even attempting something like that.

Question for you guys, are most of you guys autos or sticks. I've been driving a stick for years but felt like a retard when we went through carnage boulder just being at the angles and working the clutch. Gona need some more seat time on some less wicked stuff before I go up there.

Both Toyota's are 5 speeds with dual ultimate crawlers so they are basically like having an auto, double low, first gear, clutch out, and either idle up stuff or give it some gas

One Jeep was a 5 speed and other 2 were autos.

Avsguy33 · 08-14-2007, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volcom

Both Toyota's are 5 speeds with dual ultimate crawlers so they are basically like having an auto, double low, first gear, clutch out, and either idle up stuff or give it some gas

One Jeep was a 5 speed and other 2 were autos.

May have to look into something like that. Crap, mod fever may be beginning again. I told myself I was gona leave this one like I bought it. Oh well, as you can see with the car in my sig, Im good at buying mods. At least I'm good at something.

Volcom · 08-14-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Avsguy33

May have to look into something like that. Crap, mod fever may be beginning again. I told myself I was gona leave this one like I bought it. Oh well, as you can see with the car in my sig, Im good at buying mods. At least I'm good at something.

By looking at your sig, you've got a stock t-case behind a stock 22R pushing 37's with 5.13 gearing. That's got to be tough. Putting dual cases (or even 4.7 gears in your t-case) would help you out a bunch. There's no way you'd ever get me on a trail like BV Carnage with a stock 22RE and a stock t-case with big tires.

Your truck would be a completely different monster if you had dual cases

tc · 08-14-2007, 09:02 PM

What kind of axles are you running to have 5.13's?

More seat time is the solution to most things! My method is clutch in or clutch out - I try to modulate the throttle instead of slipping the clutch. More predictable IMHO.

If you want to go dual cases (or even a low geared case) - I have 2 top shift gear drive cases for sale...

08-13-2007, 01:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	That trail looks like it has some really big teeth... to say the least. Can't believe that white 4Runner still has it's rear glass after some of those lines... especially the notch. Great videos. Very impressive. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

08-13-2007, 06:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Symon623 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peoria AZ Posts: 126	Nice trail, and driving, but keep the peeps away from the winch cable while winching, last vid. Ruins a great day real quick if teh cable breaks. __________________ Sy 85 Syota - 4.3/700r4/300/60's/§XX§ High Country Renegades/ARC

08-13-2007, 08:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,376	Was it crowded or was there carnage? 12 hrs seems like a long time even for that "trail"! I think I would invest in some armor before bigger tires Volcom ... no matter how big the rig, the rocks are always bigger! __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

08-13-2007, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mayhem Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 191	Jeff, you're 4runner is sick.... nice work __________________ ChromeKiller \| 2001 Tacoma Dcab V6 \| Camburg 2.5 & 1" A-Arm \| Downey Shackles \| Custom Rack \| 16x8 rockcrawlers \| 33" BFG KO's \| Stubb's Sliders \| Deavey 8 pack \| OASIS air \| Warn M8000 \| All-Pro Bumper \| Addicted Offroad Rear Bumper \| Custom Tire Rack

08-14-2007, 08:12 AM	#17 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	That is a bomber trail for sure. Good driving and careful attention to keep that glass in tact. I have never seen a bodied truck go through there clean without many hours or huge effort. Good driving, great trail. __________________ Ease on down the road.

08-13-2007, 01:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cmadness Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 86	Wow, that looks pretty extreme. Great driving there and some cool rigs.

08-13-2007, 08:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ric Banned - User requested Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: earth Posts: 4,494	wooooow awesome, thankx soooo much for sharing the pics... I think my rig is ready for BV Carnage (hope you all know IM kidding)

08-14-2007, 08:53 AM	#18 (permalink)
cubuff4runner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thornton, Colorado Posts: 1,023	We ran the trail with people who had done it last year and all they kept saying was "I don't remember this obstical" or " we went through this with no problem" You could tell a very large storm hit the area and washed out a lot of debris just by looking at the area below the entry to the trail. After comparing some pics from last year you can see how washed out it is now. V Notch last year This weekend Exit Last Year This Weekend __________________ 96' 4Runner SAS - 87 Waggy 44 Aussie Locker & Alloy Shafts, 63" Chevy Rear Leaf Conversion, Inchworm Dual Crawler, PSC Hydro Assist, FROR Full Floater Rockfrogs Pics

08-14-2007, 05:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
Avsguy33 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 26	holy crap, that is a serious trail. I need a lot mroe expierence with mine before even attempting something like that. Question for you guys, are most of you guys autos or sticks. I've been driving a stick for years but felt like a retard when we went through carnage boulder just being at the angles and working the clutch. Gona need some more seat time on some less wicked stuff before I go up there. __________________ 1985 Toyota Pickup. 37" MTR's, lifted, locked, roll cage, 5.13's, 22R. needing a 350 badly, or maybe my old LS2 from the GTO. (slow toy) 2005 Pontiac GTO. 416 L92 stroker. Ported heads, custom cam, supporting mods. 509whp/477wtq. 12.35 @ 114mph 1/4 mile. (fast toy)

08-14-2007, 09:02 PM	#25 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,376	What kind of axles are you running to have 5.13's? More seat time is the solution to most things! My method is clutch in or clutch out - I try to modulate the throttle instead of slipping the clutch. More predictable IMHO. If you want to go dual cases (or even a low geared case) - I have 2 top shift gear drive cases for sale... __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

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